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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 21, 2016 0:37:48 GMT -5
I dont care if you sit around in the kimono with bad hair and noodles, but if you're watching stuff about kids, especially the sexualised way Japan tends to animate their kids (school girls), you will get and rightly deserve all the teasing the world can muster. Sexualising children is wrong. The Japanese should know better, and anyone outside Japan doesnt even have the 'it's out culture' excuse. It's just pervy. Pervy and wrong. Won't somebody please think of the (fictional) children? Just kidding, of course. I'm not condoning lolicon(that's just wrong), but this sounds like a bit of a generalization since not all anime starring kids is animated in a pervy manner(at least I hope not). I (personally) don't think it's fair to tease and label someone a pedophile just for watching Lucky Star. No you are right, not all series starring kids are pervy, most aren't, actually. Hell one of the best series last year was the second season of a show called Non Non Biyori, which follows four girls in different grades from elementary through middle school that live in some far flung rural town, and it was genuinely funny and heartwarming at times.
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Post by suave on Jan 21, 2016 0:46:30 GMT -5
Reading this thread makes me want to give up on life entirely. why tho
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 0:46:46 GMT -5
Did someone say weeaboo?
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Post by Display Name on Jan 21, 2016 2:01:27 GMT -5
Or maybe people should stop trying to act Japanese. Yep.My girlfriend is half Japanese.Let me tell you, japanese people cringe at weeaboo's.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 2:47:47 GMT -5
Or maybe people should stop trying to act Japanese. Yep.My girlfriend is half Japanese.Let me tell you, japanese people cringe at weeaboo's. Pretty much,thing is there is people that ARE weeaboos.it is not an catch-all insult for Anime fans,even if some people(minority) think :oh,he likes anime/has an anime picture,he must be a weeb.At least the japanese people i know dont think: oh he likes anime,he must be a weeabo. Besides it is kinda of insulting to their culture since usually they are very superficial about it,usually boiling down to anime. And they can still be a good people with flaws like everyone has.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jan 21, 2016 3:54:38 GMT -5
I dont care if you sit around in the kimono with bad hair and noodles, but if you're watching stuff about kids, especially the sexualised way Japan tends to animate their kids (school girls), you will get and rightly deserve all the teasing the world can muster. Sexualising children is wrong. The Japanese should know better, and anyone outside Japan doesnt even have the 'it's out culture' excuse. It's just pervy. Pervy and wrong. Won't somebody please think of the (fictional) children? Just kidding, of course. I'm not condoning lolicon(that's just wrong), but this sounds like a bit of a generalization since not all anime starring kids is animated in a pervy manner(at least I hope not). I (personally) don't think it's fair to tease and label someone a pedophile just for watching Lucky Star. Dammit, I had a big reply written out and then I clicked something and I somehow lost it. Gah. Anyway, I agree 100%. I can't be bothered rewriting my full reply though. EDIT - On a sidenote, what about 'westaboos'? They're also supposedly a thing.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jan 21, 2016 4:03:42 GMT -5
Reading this thread makes me want to give up on life entirely. You say that about everything, haha. Gee whiz. I'm not trying to make light of it but really, there's literally nothing harsh that's been said here concerning anyone reasonable. It's a thread started by a former moderator who I'm sure would make mention if stuff was getting way too off track or if anything uncalled for has been said, not to mention with how good the active moderation team in general is they would surely nip things in the bud if things were actually bad. Do you take issue with anything in particular that has been said? Reading this thread makes me want to give up on life entirely. why tho Because this thread is reminding me that I fit some of the definitions of either 'otaku' or 'weeaboo', even though I reject those labels. Especially the no social skills thing. Not only that, but the post about the whole sexualisation thing. I don't want to be seen as some disgusting pervert just because I like anime.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jan 21, 2016 4:11:09 GMT -5
Well, the term actually refers to someone with a love of all things Japan and Japanese, not just anime.
I think it's a stupid word.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 21, 2016 4:41:13 GMT -5
You say that about everything, haha. Gee whiz. I'm not trying to make light of it but really, there's literally nothing harsh that's been said here concerning anyone reasonable. It's a thread started by a former moderator who I'm sure would make mention if stuff was getting way too off track or if anything uncalled for has been said, not to mention with how good the active moderation team in general is they would surely nip things in the bud if things were actually bad. Do you take issue with anything in particular that has been said? Because this thread is reminding me that I fit some of the definitions of either 'otaku' or 'weeaboo', even though I reject those labels. Especially the no social skills thing. Not only that, but the post about the whole sexualisation thing. I don't want to be seen as some disgusting pervert just because I like anime. Read both of these articles and think about if they actually do sound like you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otakuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanophile"When these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors - and people suddenly see an “otaku” as a person unable to relate to reality"Seriously dude, unless you fantasize about being Japanese and go on about how great Japanese media is. Even better, watch Watamote which is actually about what an Otaku is
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 4:46:42 GMT -5
Won't somebody please think of the (fictional) children? Just kidding, of course. I'm not condoning lolicon(that's just wrong), but this sounds like a bit of a generalization since not all anime starring kids is animated in a pervy manner(at least I hope not). I (personally) don't think it's fair to tease and label someone a pedophile just for watching Lucky Star. Dammit, I had a big reply written out and then I clicked something and I somehow lost it. Gah. Anyway, I agree 100%. I can't be bothered rewriting my full reply though. EDIT - On a sidenote, what about 'westaboos'? They're also supposedly a thing.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jan 21, 2016 5:39:46 GMT -5
weeaboo is an amazing word
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 6:23:08 GMT -5
Right there with you on this. Just comes off as so obnoxious and stupid to me, and really comes off as a way generally for people to just trumpet being ignorant and dismissive of art from other cultures while making it look like they're the smarter ones for it.
And I also really fail to see anything wrong with liking some other culture more than your own.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 6:38:04 GMT -5
Right there with you on this. Just comes off as so obnoxious and stupid to me, and really comes off as a way generally for people to just trumpet being ignorant and dismissive of art from other cultures while making it look like they're the smarter ones for it. And I also really fail to see anything wrong with liking some other culture more than your own. There is a difference between liking it and taking something to the extreme side. And on most case,barely knowing the culture they claim to like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 6:40:29 GMT -5
Right there with you on this. Just comes off as so obnoxious and stupid to me, and really comes off as a way generally for people to just trumpet being ignorant and dismissive of art from other cultures while making it look like they're the smarter ones for it. And I also really fail to see anything wrong with liking some other culture more than your own. There is a difference between liking it and taking something to the extreme side. And on most case,barely knowing the culture they claim to like. True, but even then, even if someone is being obnoxious or ignorant, or just pointlessly using chop sticks for no reason, I really see no reason anyone should be bothered by it. It's the way they're living, whatever.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 6:43:38 GMT -5
There is a difference between liking it and taking something to the extreme side. And on most case,barely knowing the culture they claim to like. True, but even then, even if someone is being obnoxious or ignorant, or just pointlessly using chop sticks for no reason, I really see no reason anyone should be bothered by it. It's the way they're living, whatever. I mean,yeh youa re right about that,no reason to let it bother you,i don't think anyone here is bothered by their existence If the threa was Can people stop bothering people because they are weeaboos. Sure ,right on. But the term is not wrong.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jan 21, 2016 7:28:23 GMT -5
Because this thread is reminding me that I fit some of the definitions of either 'otaku' or 'weeaboo', even though I reject those labels. Especially the no social skills thing. Not only that, but the post about the whole sexualisation thing. I don't want to be seen as some disgusting pervert just because I like anime. Read both of these articles and think about if they actually do sound like you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otakuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanophile"When these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors - and people suddenly see an “otaku” as a person unable to relate to reality"Seriously dude, unless you fantasize about being Japanese and go on about how great Japanese media is. Even better, watch Watamote which is actually about what an Otaku is I already know what the terms mean, I just meant that I don't want to be mislabelled as something I'm not. If anything, I'm a borderline otaku I guess. I don't like being labelled, and the labels are confusing anyway, I mean, you could say that I am an otaku. I don't know. True, but even then, even if someone is being obnoxious or ignorant, or just pointlessly using chop sticks for no reason, I really see no reason anyone should be bothered by it. It's the way they're living, whatever. I mean,yeh youa re right about that,no reason to let it bother you,i don't think anyone here is bothered by their existence If the threa was Can people stop bothering people because they are weeaboos. Sure ,right on. But the term is not wrong. Again though, the problem is that people use the term as an insult to anime fans in general.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 21, 2016 7:38:09 GMT -5
Right there with you on this. Just comes off as so obnoxious and stupid to me, and really comes off as a way generally for people to just trumpet being ignorant and dismissive of art from other cultures while making it look like they're the smarter ones for it. And I also really fail to see anything wrong with liking some other culture more than your own. It's not about preference, though. It's about blindly glorifying one for simply existing as it is. Calling it a term that dismisses other cultures is weird, because that really refers to what a weaboo does, as well as the reverse of that. Honestly this just feels like people associating a different meaning to the word and arguing against it, much like the silly "nice guy" thread.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 21, 2016 7:42:39 GMT -5
Read both of these articles and think about if they actually do sound like you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otakuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanophile"When these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors - and people suddenly see an “otaku” as a person unable to relate to reality"Seriously dude, unless you fantasize about being Japanese and go on about how great Japanese media is. Even better, watch Watamote which is actually about what an Otaku is I already know what the terms mean, I just meant that I don't want to be mislabelled as something I'm not. If anything, I'm a borderline otaku I guess. I don't like being labelled, and the labels are confusing anyway, I mean, you could say that I am an otaku. I don't know. I mean,yeh youa re right about that,no reason to let it bother you,i don't think anyone here is bothered by their existence If the threa was Can people stop bothering people because they are weeaboos. Sure ,right on. But the term is not wrong. Again though, the problem is that people use the term as an insult to anime fans in general. Eh,that is not something specific to anime,just people being ignorant to a group they don't know about.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 21, 2016 8:01:16 GMT -5
If people blindly use the term to disparage people for liking anime or having enthusiastic interest in Japanese culture then that's on them and they can get bent. Like what you like and like it more than others if you want. It's supposed to knock an entirely different group of people, though.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 21, 2016 9:19:58 GMT -5
Yeah, this smacks of a discussion over word usage and what individuals associate with it. I've mostly heard the term used in a joking way, nothing really malicious, but then again I don't frequent certain corners of the Internet where I'm sure it's used in a really nasty way.
From my understanding, I've always associated it with people who co-opt Japanese culture, glorifying it in a way that winds up disrespecting the actual lived experiences of Japanese people. Just like how in a romantic relationship you shouldn't degrade OR unrealistically glorify your partner (both are dehumanizing, albeit in different ways), you shouldn't approach somebody else's culture and degrade or glorify it beyond what's reasonable. Hell, look at some ways we teach about Native American cultures here in the Americas: it's very important to respect, preserve, and encourage that culture to flourish more given the awful atrocities committed against it (some of which continue to this day), but some people go the Avatar/Dances with Smurfs route and pretend that native culture was somehow 100% pure, or childlike, or innocent, etc. etc. etc. Doing that removes the agency of the people in that culture and infantilizes and dehumanizes them, removes the possibility that, like any other group of humans, their lives are composed of good and bad, great and terrible acts, wise and poor decisions.
But if somebody's using it to wankishly dismiss somebody for daring to enjoy anime, or daring to enjoy aspects of Japanese culture (e.g. you're not co-opting Japanese culture just because you enjoy the food, some video games, and tending bonsai trees), that person can piss off. Taking part in foreign cultures is a healthy thing to do, as long as one doesn't co-opt the experiences of the people in that culture, of course (e.g. a suburban white guy enjoying and appreciating hip hop, but not suddenly pretending he grew up in the hood and understands a lot of the struggles therein).
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