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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Aug 20, 2016 12:32:23 GMT -5
*Shrug* Shaming language is occasionally very useful. I know we're very sensitive to bullying now, and it's hard to know where a persons line is but terms like this used among friends in the correct manner (Sort of playful, taunting, but leading to serious discussion if the opportunity comes up) are really important. People will get obsessed with stuff, make their whole life about it, and then get mad that people should be willing to accept them for whoever they are despite how not making an effort to understand social skills and branch your interests out does real, tangible harm to a person down the road. I'm discussing a very specific set of situations, if it doesn't apply to you it doesn't apply to you. Social skills are important. Interacting with people is important. If you're a person who prioritizes watching anime or video games over social skills, it's going to do increasing damage to how you interact with the world around you the older you get. It's going to make it more difficult for you to interact with people both personally and - more importantly - professionally. You'll lack the toolkit you need to have the best possible success in life, and that's not good. If you're the kind of person who prioritizes these things over trying to become more successful or self improve because you're happy with staying home and simply engaging in your hobbies then you're going to stagnate. Some of your friends giving you shit about not trying to get out more, or not being ambitious enough, can be the kick in the ass you need to get going. I really don't want to be having this discussion right now...it's getting too personal and I'm uncomfortable going any further with it. Also I noticed that I completely forgot to mention that I'm pretty sure I found out the reason why it's such a widespread derogtory term, but I won't mention it here. I'm 95% sure it's from 4chan originally. Unless you've stumbled upon the Ark of the Covenant of the internet. I didn't mean where it came from originally, I mean the reason it's so widespread now.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 20, 2016 12:51:53 GMT -5
if there is a wrestling version of a weeaboo i am pretty sure i am either it or close to it.. puroboo?
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 20, 2016 14:01:48 GMT -5
I'm discussing a very specific set of situations, if it doesn't apply to you it doesn't apply to you. Social skills are important. Interacting with people is important. If you're a person who prioritizes watching anime or video games over social skills, it's going to do increasing damage to how you interact with the world around you the older you get. It's going to make it more difficult for you to interact with people both personally and - more importantly - professionally. You'll lack the toolkit you need to have the best possible success in life, and that's not good. If you're the kind of person who prioritizes these things over trying to become more successful or self improve because you're happy with staying home and simply engaging in your hobbies then you're going to stagnate. Some of your friends giving you shit about not trying to get out more, or not being ambitious enough, can be the kick in the ass you need to get going. I really don't want to be having this discussion right now...it's getting too personal and I'm uncomfortable going any further with it. I'm 95% sure it's from 4chan originally. Unless you've stumbled upon the Ark of the Covenant of the internet. I didn't mean where it came from originally, I mean the reason it's so widespread now. Oh? Pray tell then?
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Post by Clover Star on Aug 20, 2016 14:15:28 GMT -5
I'm discussing a very specific set of situations, if it doesn't apply to you it doesn't apply to you. Social skills are important. Interacting with people is important. If you're a person who prioritizes watching anime or video games over social skills, it's going to do increasing damage to how you interact with the world around you the older you get. It's going to make it more difficult for you to interact with people both personally and - more importantly - professionally. You'll lack the toolkit you need to have the best possible success in life, and that's not good. If you're the kind of person who prioritizes these things over trying to become more successful or self improve because you're happy with staying home and simply engaging in your hobbies then you're going to stagnate. Some of your friends giving you shit about not trying to get out more, or not being ambitious enough, can be the kick in the ass you need to get going. I really don't want to be having this discussion right now...it's getting too personal and I'm uncomfortable going any further with it. I'm 95% sure it's from 4chan originally. Unless you've stumbled upon the Ark of the Covenant of the internet. I didn't mean where it came from originally, I mean the reason it's so widespread now. It was first used in the comic Perry Bible Fellowship.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 20, 2016 14:16:57 GMT -5
Yeah PBF is where I saw it originally... before anyone was using it as a term.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Aug 21, 2016 7:22:18 GMT -5
I really don't want to be having this discussion right now...it's getting too personal and I'm uncomfortable going any further with it. I didn't mean where it came from originally, I mean the reason it's so widespread now. Oh? Pray tell then? Well I didn't want to mention it, but I guess I will. I was referring to the Weeaboo video by Filthy Frank on YouTube. It has almost 13 million views and I've seen a lot of people online use that video as justification for calling anime fans 'weeaboo' in an insulting way. The amount of people that take the video seriously really confuses me, as whenever the Filthy Frank character does those types of videos, they're meant to be a parody of rant style videos, not serious rants, which is why I don't understand why so many people take the video so seriously. Sorry, I got a bit off-topic there, but that video is what I was referring to as the reason why the term has become so widespread in recent times. On a sidenote, while I do like Filthy Frank, that video is one of two Filthy Frank videos I don't really like. I really don't want to be having this discussion right now...it's getting too personal and I'm uncomfortable going any further with it. I didn't mean where it came from originally, I mean the reason it's so widespread now. It was first used in the comic Perry Bible Fellowship. Fair enough. I'm not sure what that is, I may have heard of it or something as it sounds vaguely familiar, but I haven't seen it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 21, 2016 12:30:30 GMT -5
Well I didn't want to mention it, but I guess I will. I was referring to the Weeaboo video by Filthy Frank on YouTube. It has almost 13 million views and I've seen a lot of people online use that video as justification for calling anime fans 'weeaboo' in an insulting way. The amount of people that take the video seriously really confuses me, as whenever the Filthy Frank character does those types of videos, they're meant to be a parody of rant style videos, not serious rants, which is why I don't understand why so many people take the video so seriously. This is the issue with humour like Frank's, and I'm not criticising it because I have very similar humour; you can't guarantee that your audience understands the deliberate irony. If you make jokes that sound like insane rants (hello Stephen Colbert) then a portion of your audience is just going to think you're telling it like it is. The guy who created the BRitish TV show that Archie Bunker was based off stopped making it when he began receiving fanmail saying 'finally someone who TV who says what I'mn thinking.'
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 21, 2016 14:01:28 GMT -5
if there is a wrestling version of a weeaboo i am pretty sure i am either it or close to it.. puroboo? I think they're called "smarks".
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Post by Dub H on Aug 21, 2016 14:25:18 GMT -5
if there is a wrestling version of a weeaboo i am pretty sure i am either it or close to it.. puroboo? I think they're called "smarks". no,that is the wrestling version of otaku
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 22, 2016 5:27:24 GMT -5
I always thought "Weeaboo" was strictly for Americans who straight culture jacked Japanese culture.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Aug 22, 2016 6:33:10 GMT -5
I have a fondness for martial arts, toku, sushi, puro, Japanese mythology, and bits of J-Rock. I've been called a weeb for this, sometimes tongue in cheek, sometimes less so, and it really has never bothered me at all. I've been called far, far worse in my life and throughout my entire childhood was daily mocked and bullied for things I liked, to pretty extensive levels. It's left me with a few issues sure and a lot of other insecurities, and took me a while to get to where I am now, but now I no longer give two shits about what people think of my interests, I like what I like and people can say what they like.
It's okay to be insecure, but if you're insecure about your own interests, you need to work on those insecurities rather than just expect everyone else to moderate their behaviour because you're too uncomfortable in yourself to handle criticism of your tastes- at the end of the day what they say doesn't invalidate your interests, it doesn't mean anything. Sure they might be insulting, they might be being a prick, but so what? They're a prick. What's it matter whether they approve or not? I know how difficult it is to get to this stage, it's been a 12-year battle for me against my insecurities that I only started getting anywhere with in the last 3-4 years, once I sought therapy and met likeminded people, but it's doable if you try. For instance I used to be extremely insecure and ashamed of my wrestling fandom, kept it a complete secret, now I'm completely comfortable with people knowing how big a wrestling nerd I am.
As for the issue of cultural appropriation, to me that's often another way of moderating what people can and cannot like, just using a different method instead of insulting the person into submission- I'd rather cultures 'appropriate' things from each other than wall off and remain detached entirely. It reminds me of fanboy elitism, telling the other person they aren't liking something the 'correct' way, when behaviour evolves, culture evolves, there isn't a 'correct' way. Someone liking aspects of any given culture does not harm you, if you're offended that's fine, you have that right and you can express that offence, but they still have the right to retain their interest in that culture and are not obligated to change because you don't like the way they enjoy something. When people fetishize or adopt aspects of my own cultural identity with complete obliviousness to context (Eg. everything many Americans do on St Patrick's Day), I just give a bemused chuckle and move on. Maybe that's not something everyone can do, but really, someone having an interest in something, even if they don't understand or adhere to the original context, doesn't actually affect me or my own expression of my culture, so what right do I have to tell them how they can express that interest?
Apologies if this does offend anybody, the basic view I'm trying to convey is that you can like what you like however you like, and screw what other people say or think, but I'm aware it's not easy to move past experiences that leave you feeling insecure. I do think it's important to try and work on one's own insecurities, rather than expect other people to cater to them- it is something that is actually within your control, it is more your responsibility than theirs, requires changing fewer people, and fundamentally, people are dicks and probably won't change for you either way so you're better off brushing it off. It's difficult, and requires work every day, I'm still SUPER insecure in a lot of areas of my life, but I'm no longer ashamed for liking things and am no longer affected by insults along those lines, but I had to work at it.
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Post by ZERO on Aug 22, 2016 6:49:37 GMT -5
I always thought "Weeaboo" was strictly for Americans who straight culture jacked Japanese culture. That was what I thought the term meant, too. Kind of like some other slur that I'm not going to repeat here because I think it might get me into trouble here. The kind of person who throws Japanese honorifics into English sentences and thinks they would be magically welcomed with open arms if they moved there, because they watch a lot of cartoons. That's not happening. I happen to think most modern anime is trash anyway, more a tokusatsu guy.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 22, 2016 7:37:06 GMT -5
Reading this thread has been like reading something in a brand new language. So many bizarre words, and I have no idea what so many of them mean. Weeaboo, lolicon, moe...
Are people seriously insulted by this weeaboo thing? I can't imagine ever being hurt by such a stupid word. Doodyhead has more of an impact, for f***'s sake. And, to be completely frank, if you're the kind of person who spends a whole bunch of time watching/collecting/obsessing over anime, you have likely been called much, much worse.
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Post by metylerca on Aug 22, 2016 11:43:46 GMT -5
I have a fondness for martial arts, toku, sushi, puro, Japanese mythology, and bits of J-Rock. I've been called a weeb for this, sometimes tongue in cheek, sometimes less so, and it really has never bothered me at all. I've been called far, far worse in my life and throughout my entire childhood was daily mocked and bullied for things I liked, to pretty extensive levels. It's left me with a few issues sure and a lot of other insecurities, and took me a while to get to where I am now, but now I no longer give two shits about what people think of my interests, I like what I like and people can say what they like. It's okay to be insecure, but if you're insecure about your own interests, you need to work on those insecurities rather than just expect everyone else to moderate their behaviour because you're too uncomfortable in yourself to handle criticism of your tastes- at the end of the day what they say doesn't invalidate your interests, it doesn't mean anything. Sure they might be insulting, they might be being a prick, but so what? They're a prick. What's it matter whether they approve or not? I know how difficult it is to get to this stage, it's been a 12-year battle for me against my insecurities that I only started getting anywhere with in the last 3-4 years, once I sought therapy and met likeminded people, but it's doable if you try. For instance I used to be extremely insecure and ashamed of my wrestling fandom, kept it a complete secret, now I'm completely comfortable with people knowing how big a wrestling nerd I am. As for the issue of cultural appropriation, to me that's often another way of moderating what people can and cannot like, just using a different method instead of insulting the person into submission- I'd rather cultures 'appropriate' things from each other than wall off and remain detached entirely. It reminds me of fanboy elitism, telling the other person they aren't liking something the 'correct' way, when behaviour evolves, culture evolves, there isn't a 'correct' way. Someone liking aspects of any given culture does not harm you, if you're offended that's fine, you have that right and you can express that offence, but they still have the right to retain their interest in that culture and are not obligated to change because you don't like the way they enjoy something. When people fetishize or adopt aspects of my own cultural identity with complete obliviousness to context (Eg. everything many Americans do on St Patrick's Day), I just give a bemused chuckle and move on. Maybe that's not something everyone can do, but really, someone having an interest in something, even if they don't understand or adhere to the original context, doesn't actually affect me or my own expression of my culture, so what right do I have to tell them how they can express that interest? Apologies if this does offend anybody, the basic view I'm trying to convey is that you can like what you like however you like, and screw what other people say or think, but I'm aware it's not easy to move past experiences that leave you feeling insecure. I do think it's important to try and work on one's own insecurities, rather than expect other people to cater to them- it is something that is actually within your control, it is more your responsibility than theirs, requires changing fewer people, and fundamentally, people are dicks and probably won't change for you either way so you're better off brushing it off. It's difficult, and requires work every day, I'm still SUPER insecure in a lot of areas of my life, but I'm no longer ashamed for liking things and am no longer affected by insults along those lines, but I had to work at it. Best post of the thread. I'd like to add that it's not productive to let other people dictate your enjoyment in mediums. Music, movies, anime, clothes, etc. You shouldn't be bothered if others dislike what you like, I notice this all the time here in wrestling discussion and especially music, celebrity and film discussion. I'm guilty of it once in a blue moon. But it's true that liking what you like and not caring what others think is the way to go. Passive aggressively liking what you like or even getting upset with others for not possessing your tastes does nothing for anyone. As for slang termz, I'm 26 and already feel too old to understand what some of these words mean. But seriously, they're words. Sticks, stones, etc.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 22, 2016 23:09:49 GMT -5
Reading this thread has been like reading something in a brand new language. So many bizarre words, and I have no idea what so many of them mean. Weeaboo, lolicon, moe... Are people seriously insulted by this weeaboo thing? I can't imagine ever being hurt by such a stupid word. Doodyhead has more of an impact, for f***'s sake. And, to be completely frank, if you're the kind of person who spends a whole bunch of time watching/collecting/obsessing over anime, you have likely been called much, much worse. This sums it up the best. I have never heard or seen any anime fans getting upset over getting called weeaboo. The only other person I've seen raise a stink over it besides Clash is Hbi2k of Beserk: The Abridged Series fame, to the point he went and got it banned on the board he happened to be a mod of. This despite working with Team Four Star who made a running gag with Tien calling some characters weeaboos so it really came off as hypocritical of him.
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Post by Venti on Aug 22, 2016 23:28:15 GMT -5
I didn't know people actually got offended by the term weeaboo. Most people I know who are into anime use it more than people not into it.
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