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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 2, 2017 11:30:56 GMT -5
No, silly. That's anybody who likes the prequels. I like the prequels, episode 2 aside but 3 was great and 1 gets undeserved hate. I'll reply to some of the replies here when I get home Episode 1 has a lot of neat concepts that I don't think the film uses properly. 2 is a garbage fire. And 3 is fine.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 2, 2017 11:45:12 GMT -5
I'd rather watch Episode 1 than Rogue One.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 2, 2017 11:52:28 GMT -5
Episode I had an amazing lightsaber fight. Ray Park being an expert martial artist really helped bring that double-bladed lightsaber style to life. Duel of the Fates is also one of the best themes in the series.
The rest of the movie could've been Jar Jar Binks talking galactic politics with Watto and Nute Gunray and I would've enjoyed Episode I just for that fight.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jun 2, 2017 11:57:53 GMT -5
Episode 1 has a lot of neat concepts that I don't think the film uses properly. 2 is a garbage fire. And 3 is fine. Yeah, there is a lot that could have been better with 1. I do think much of the hate is undeserved. I thought the plot was solid, the extra world-building was great, the action scenes fun and I must be one of the few who enjoyed the Senate scenes and politics. I liked seeing how the Republic used to be before the Empire and Palpatine's manoeuvrings to gain power. I also think some of the new characters are underrated. Watto I thought was a really interesting character, a lot to dislike about him (greedy, self-serving, slave owner, rude) but oddly there was also something likeable about the guy. He never struck me as a truly evil, nasty piece of work. Qui Gon was great. My main problem with 1 is that Anakin should have been Luke's age when he started training. It would have better connected with the original trilogy with father and son both starting training late but one gives in to the dark side, the other doesn't. 2 was shit. The final 40 minutes was fun but the build towards that was a mess.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 2, 2017 12:01:38 GMT -5
Episode I had an amazing lightsaber fight. Ray Park being an expert martial artist really helped bring that double-bladed lightsaber style to life. Duel of the Fates is also one of the best themes in the series. The rest of the movie could've been Jar Jar Binks talking galactic politics with Watto and Nute Gunray and I would've enjoyed Episode I just for that fight. There is a reason why Darth Maul and Duel of the Fates are pretty much the only thing that continually gets brought up from Episode 1 in other media. Also Darth Maul was the continued trend George Lucas had in making cool looking villains and then completely under-utilizing them.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 2, 2017 12:07:28 GMT -5
I like the prequels, episode 2 aside but 3 was great and 1 gets undeserved hate. I'll reply to some of the replies here when I get home Episode 1 has a lot of neat concepts that I don't think the film uses properly. 2 is a garbage fire. And 3 is fine. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Revenge of the Sith is okay at best and I'll never understand how anyone could rank it over any of the original trilogy. It still has the terrible writing and performances and sterile CGI that are the hallmark of the trilogy, the aforementioned lame scene with Vader, General Grievous being poorly developed (albeit being visually nifty), Padme dying of a "broken heart" even though she now has children to worry about, Anakin's fall being overly precipitous (pretty much 0 to killing....ugh...younglings), the horrific nonsense that was the final fight between Obi Wan and Anakin, the continued idiocy of the Jedi, lack of continuity (Padme dying/Leia remembering her mother) It had some strong scenes. The opening space battle was fun, and the Order 66 scene was well done , but much like the pod race and Darth Maul in Episode One those scenes are packed between bullshit. It managed to feel both overly long and rushed at the same time. The Red Letter Media Mr. Plinkett reviews of the trilogy are my go to recommendation for a thorough critique of the prequels, though I could do without the creepy serial killer stuff that pads them out.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 2, 2017 12:10:53 GMT -5
When a new mother of twins 'dies of a broken heart', then there's no saving that movie.
And the only reason Anakin joins with Palpatine was to save Padme, but when she dies, he still is his stooge? Why?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 2, 2017 12:11:42 GMT -5
Episode 1 has a lot of neat concepts that I don't think the film uses properly. 2 is a garbage fire. And 3 is fine. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Revenge of the Sith is okay at best and I'll never understand how anyone could rank it over any of the original trilogy. It still has the terrible writing and performances and sterile CGI that are the hallmark of the trilogy, which is kinda funny because the Majority of Episode 1 were practical effects. Some of which were f***ing awful like the Yoda Puppet.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 2, 2017 12:24:23 GMT -5
When a new mother of twins 'dies of a broken heart', then there's no saving that movie. And the only reason Anakin joins with Palpatine was to save Padme, but when she dies, he still is his stooge? Why? Yeah the "broken heart" bullshit needed to stay on the cutting room floor. I just like to pretend Vader broke her neck and she was more or just barely alive enough to salvage birthing the kids.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jun 2, 2017 12:59:17 GMT -5
My take: Rebels > Rogue One > The Force Awakens.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 2, 2017 13:14:37 GMT -5
I'd rather watch Episode 1 than Rogue One. I know it is, I never stated otherwise
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 2, 2017 16:14:35 GMT -5
Episode 1 has a lot of neat concepts that I don't think the film uses properly. 2 is a garbage fire. And 3 is fine. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Revenge of the Sith is okay at best and I'll never understand how anyone could rank it over any of the original trilogy. It still has the terrible writing and performances and sterile CGI that are the hallmark of the trilogy, the aforementioned lame scene with Vader, General Grievous being poorly developed (albeit being visually nifty), Padme dying of a "broken heart" even though she now has children to worry about, Anakin's fall being overly precipitous (pretty much 0 to killing....ugh...younglings), the horrific nonsense that was the final fight between Obi Wan and Anakin, the continued idiocy of the Jedi, lack of continuity (Padme dying/Leia remembering her mother) It had some strong scenes. The opening space battle was fun, and the Order 66 scene was well done , but much like the pod race and Darth Maul in Episode One those scenes are packed between bullshit. It managed to feel both overly long and rushed at the same time. Man, Episode III sucks on so many levels. Episode II is salvageable if you cut 95% of Anakin and Padme's stuff and have Obi-Wan take the lead.
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Post by Hurbster on Jun 2, 2017 21:05:25 GMT -5
I really liked it. Way better than the stank-arse shitty prequels. And IMO better than ROTJ.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 2, 2017 22:10:55 GMT -5
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Revenge of the Sith is okay at best and I'll never understand how anyone could rank it over any of the original trilogy. It still has the terrible writing and performances and sterile CGI that are the hallmark of the trilogy, the aforementioned lame scene with Vader, General Grievous being poorly developed (albeit being visually nifty), Padme dying of a "broken heart" even though she now has children to worry about, Anakin's fall being overly precipitous (pretty much 0 to killing....ugh...younglings), the horrific nonsense that was the final fight between Obi Wan and Anakin, the continued idiocy of the Jedi, lack of continuity (Padme dying/Leia remembering her mother) It had some strong scenes. The opening space battle was fun, and the Order 66 scene was well done , but much like the pod race and Darth Maul in Episode One those scenes are packed between bullshit. It managed to feel both overly long and rushed at the same time. Man, Episode III sucks on so many levels. Episode II is salvageable if you cut 95% of Anakin and Padme's stuff and have Obi-Wan take the lead. Damn straight. That movie isn't that bad, it is just that the bad parts are truly abyssal. But the stuff on Kamino, and up through the arena are awesome. The only action in that flick that sucked was the Yoda/Dooku fight.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 2, 2017 22:27:06 GMT -5
And Kylo should have told us how he hates sand as much as gramps did
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2017 22:59:25 GMT -5
Episode III:
Anakin carries out a massacre of children based solely on the fact that a Sith who has been deceiving the entire galaxy since Anakin was a child vaguely tells him he can save his wife from dying which he saw in a dream, even though his only evidence to support his belief in such an event occuring was another dream about his mother who also died on a dangerous slaveholding planet ruled by criminal gangs which George Lucas provided no satisfactory explanation for why she was still living on said planet ten years after her son saved a wealthy planet whose queen he married and would have certainly had the resources to buy her freedom from a CGI elephant with wings.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 3, 2017 3:48:38 GMT -5
When a new mother of twins 'dies of a broken heart', then there's no saving that movie. And the only reason Anakin joins with Palpatine was to save Padme, but when she dies, he still is his stooge? Why? With the staying a stooge part, there's a good potential idea there. He turned to the dark side,and has now killed his wife, his friends, he's been crippled, his powers are weakened and anyone who could fight the emperor is gone. He's not a stooge, he's turned himself into a slave.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 3, 2017 3:51:32 GMT -5
When a new mother of twins 'dies of a broken heart', then there's no saving that movie. And the only reason Anakin joins with Palpatine was to save Padme, but when she dies, he still is his stooge? Why? With the staying a stooge part, there's a good potential idea there. He turned to the dark side,and has now killed his wife, his friends, he's been crippled, his powers are weakened and anyone who could fight the emperor is gone. He's not a stooge, he's turned himself into a slave. not to mention he has attempted to secretly overthrow or undermine the emperor multiple times if we go by expanded universe stuff. BOTH stuff still in continuity and stuff that was turned into a legend.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 3, 2017 4:28:37 GMT -5
When a new mother of twins 'dies of a broken heart', then there's no saving that movie. And the only reason Anakin joins with Palpatine was to save Padme, but when she dies, he still is his stooge? Why? With the staying a stooge part, there's a good potential idea there. He turned to the dark side,and has now killed his wife, his friends, he's been crippled, his powers are weakened and anyone who could fight the emperor is gone. He's not a stooge, he's turned himself into a slave. The novelisation of ROTS explicitly states that. Anakin realises that Palpatine played him and hates him every bit as much as he hates the Jedi, but is now too weak to overthrow Palpatine directly. Equally, Palpatine is disappointed by Vader being half the apprentice he could've been before the fight with Obi-Wan. In the EU stuff that dealt with the period when the Empire ruled Vader and Palpatine had a frienemy relationship - Vader as the slave plotting to overthrow his master and Palpatine as the contemptuous master always on the look out for a better apprentice.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jun 3, 2017 4:47:17 GMT -5
I don't expect to get proper perspective on TFN until this trilogy is finished. Plenty of things that could be seen in a different light or different motivations, depending on how the next two films handle things and progress the story.
As it stands, I like TFN fine. It's not a great movie, and I don't have the same sentimental attachment to it as I do the original trilogy (and I have to be honest, the prequels as well), but it's fine.
Rogue One left me oddly colder, despite that being technically fine as well. Surprised me how little I've really thought or cared about that since seeing it.
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