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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 15, 2018 17:03:25 GMT -5
I'm also hearing people pull the, "He could have hit people with a car. Should we ban cars?" argument out of their ass. There are more laws for cars than guns.
You have to take lessons and take a test before you can operate a vehicle. You need to purchase insurance. You need to switch over registration and tags if you sell, buy, or give one away as a gift.
It is amazing how far people will stretch and twist to suck off gun lobbies.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 15, 2018 17:04:34 GMT -5
Just another week in the US sadly; there has been 18 school shootings in the US this year which is an unfathomable amount when the year is only 6 and a half weeks in That 18 figure is nonsense. www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.d7b8b5b76f19The tally is by Everytown for Gun Safety, which defines a school shooting as “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds” It includes things like a suicide outside of a school that has been closed for 7 months, and accidental discharges of firearms where no one was hurt. "Just five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Another three appeared to be intentional shootings but didn’t hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours." That isn't to say that there isn't a big uniquely American problem with shootings, but the facts need to be straight. "School shootings" clearly invokes mass casualty events.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 15, 2018 17:07:01 GMT -5
I'm also hearing people pull the, "He could have hit people with a car. Should we ban cars?" argument out of their ass. There are more laws for cars than guns. You have to take lessons and take a test before you can operate a vehicle. You need to purchase insurance. You need to switch over registration and tags if you sell, buy, or give one away as a gift. It is amazing how far people will stretch and twist to suck off gun lobbies. I actually commented on a post on Facebook about 18 months ago, I can't even remember after which tragedy it was, needless to say I got all those kinds of replies. The funny/sad thing about it is though, I started getting notifications about replies again yesterday. Every time something like this happens they all come out of nowhere with these silly hypotheticals, completely blind to the fact that they are replying to a year and a half old comment and that the situation is the same or worse.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 15, 2018 17:09:04 GMT -5
I'm also hearing people pull the, "He could have hit people with a car. Should we ban cars?" argument out of their ass. There are more laws for cars than guns. You have to take lessons and take a test before you can operate a vehicle. You need to purchase insurance. You need to switch over registration and tags if you sell, buy, or give one away as a gift. It is amazing how far people will stretch and twist to suck off gun lobbies. And again, every country in the world has cars, yet how often do we see news stories about cars deliberately running people down? It happens, of course, but we're still talking single digits over the course of the last decade.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 15, 2018 17:09:30 GMT -5
I'm also hearing people pull the, "He could have hit people with a car. Should we ban cars?" argument out of their ass. There are more laws for cars than guns. You have to take lessons and take a test before you can operate a vehicle. You need to purchase insurance. You need to switch over registration and tags if you sell, buy, or give one away as a gift. It is amazing how far people will stretch and twist to suck off gun lobbies. Or the people who think if the victim had a gun, the crime wouldn't have taken place to try and justify teachers being armed. 'Cause yeah, having terrified, barely trained, and probably outgunned teachers is exactly what these situations need.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 15, 2018 17:12:55 GMT -5
There's something great in the resiliency of the American people. There also a measure of tragedy. These horrific events are so quickly forgotten there seldomly anything done about them
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 15, 2018 17:25:37 GMT -5
Just another week in the US sadly; there has been 18 school shootings in the US this year which is an unfathomable amount when the year is only 6 and a half weeks in That 18 figure is nonsense. www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.d7b8b5b76f19The tally is by Everytown for Gun Safety, which defines a school shooting as “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds” It includes things like a suicide outside of a school that has been closed for 7 months, and accidental discharges of firearms where no one was hurt. "Just five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Another three appeared to be intentional shootings but didn’t hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours." That isn't to say that there isn't a big uniquely American problem with shootings, but the facts need to be straight. "School shootings" clearly invokes mass casualty events. To that article I say "Oh that's a relief, there's only been 8 intentional school shootings in the 6 weeks so far of 2018"
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 15, 2018 17:37:57 GMT -5
Woody Paige said something great on Around the Horn just now. He covered Columbine and the Aurora shootings. He said thoughts and prayers aren't enough, it's time for anger and action.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 15, 2018 17:41:01 GMT -5
There's something great in the resiliency of the American people. There also a measure of tragedy. These horrific events are so quickly forgotten there seldomly anything done about them I don't know if "putting our collective heads in the sand and hoping it stops without actually doing any serious efforts to address the problem" counts for resilience. More cowardice and greed.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 15, 2018 18:00:41 GMT -5
Not gonna lie. I’m sick and tired of the hashtags and arguments on social media. Being in Florida, for the first time I feel like I’m going to sit down and write to our elected officials tonight. Kind of a “cut the bullshit, enough is enough, what is going to be done to prevent this in the future?” My father is a high school teacher and I have two kids in elementary school and a newborn. I refuse to sit by anymore and let them let children dying slide.
Enough is enough with the “we must address mental illness” horsecrap we’ve gotten after these last few shootings as well. These people don’t give two shits about the mentally ill unless they’ve got to shift blame from something else. Everytime I hear blame on the anti-depressants and other drugs of their ilk. The same people that are getting their palms greased by other lobbyists are getting them greased by Big Pharma too.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 15, 2018 18:31:51 GMT -5
So let’s see. Weird loner that creeped his classmates out, stalked a female classmate, was not allowed to bring a backpack on campus and was expelled for getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend...an ex who he abused. Was in constant trouble with the police visiting his home on numerous occasions. Social media presence pretty much consisted of him showing off his gun collection and showing/bragging about small animals he’s murdered. Was flagged to the FBI last year after he posted on the guys vlog that he was going to be a professional school shooter. Now...how the f*** was this guy still allowed to purchase, let alone own an ASSAULT rifle? Surprised he wasn't arrested for the animal abuse/murder. The fact that he was already on the FBI radar tells me that they should have been monitoring him closer since he was expelled, there was motive to take all those pretty shiny guns and get some murderous revenge. The "excuse" on the authority end is "we can't monitor everybody", but this is a case where they should have been paying more attention. You know who else should have been paying attention? The parents.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 15, 2018 18:46:40 GMT -5
So let’s see. Weird loner that creeped his classmates out, stalked a female classmate, was not allowed to bring a backpack on campus and was expelled for getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend...an ex who he abused. Was in constant trouble with the police visiting his home on numerous occasions. Social media presence pretty much consisted of him showing off his gun collection and showing/bragging about small animals he’s murdered. Was flagged to the FBI last year after he posted on the guys vlog that he was going to be a professional school shooter. Now...how the f*** was this guy still allowed to purchase, let alone own an ASSAULT rifle? Surprised he wasn't arrested for the animal abuse/murder. The fact that he was already on the FBI radar tells me that they should have been monitoring him closer since he was expelled, there was motive to take all those pretty shiny guns and get some murderous revenge. The "excuse" on the authority end is "we can't monitor everybody", but this is a case where they should have been paying more attention. You know who else should have been paying attention? The parents. He had no parents...his mom died and he had lived in 2 places since.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Feb 15, 2018 18:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by bootytea on Feb 15, 2018 18:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 15, 2018 19:29:10 GMT -5
Surprised he wasn't arrested for the animal abuse/murder. The fact that he was already on the FBI radar tells me that they should have been monitoring him closer since he was expelled, there was motive to take all those pretty shiny guns and get some murderous revenge. The "excuse" on the authority end is "we can't monitor everybody", but this is a case where they should have been paying more attention. You know who else should have been paying attention? The parents. He had no parents...his mom died and he had lived in 2 places since. and in the foster system..... wayyyyyyyyyy too many red flags to ignore
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Post by Cyno on Feb 15, 2018 19:33:17 GMT -5
When even leaders of other hate groups call you a nutjob who should be avoided, you done messed up.
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Post by hossfan on Feb 15, 2018 19:50:06 GMT -5
People are going to seek out information on spree killers whether the mainstream media reports on them or not, likely from far more unreliable sources. And considering how much distrtust there is out there about conventional reporting of these shootings, having the government step in to curtail press coverage would just increase it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 20:01:31 GMT -5
While I do think that more needs to be done in regards to metal health checks and so forth when attempting to purchase a firearm. I also know that guns are inanimate objects that have to be acted upon by an outside force to be lethal. One can have a loaded AR set up on a tripod pointed directly at them but unless someone intentionally pulls the trigger they’re perfectly safe 99.9% of the time. It’s definitely a tough situation with no easy answer, which is why things like this will continue to happen and be discussed and debated. It’s by no means as simple as how it’s portrayed by the hot take people on TV of “ban all of the guns!” and “ NRA 4 Life!”
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 15, 2018 20:43:24 GMT -5
So out of all the times to troll people, they choose during the aftermath of the deadliest school shooting in American history. How can people act like that and live with themselves?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 16, 2018 1:21:45 GMT -5
Well, this is just dandy. From what I can tell, his attack wasn't aimed at any kind of group though. Sure, he was "allegedly" (groups like this always try to make themselves part of tragedies to garner noteriety) part of a dickhead organisation, but it seems as relevant to this situation as him being part of the school chess club. this may be due to a lie by omission: Given apparent white nationalist ties, AP sure didn't manage to report that the student body is 40% Jewish.
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