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Post by Kyn on Feb 16, 2018 1:39:16 GMT -5
It gets me so emotional to think of the grandma confronting that situation, which must have been a gut-wrenching shock, and managing not to give in to denial and think 'it's my grandson, I've known him my whole life and he would never do such a thing, he's just fantasizing and acting out', the way other parents/relatives do until it's too late. It must have been heartbreaking for her to make that call, but she probably (almost definitely) saved lives. Also, re: immortalizing other shooters, there needs to be way more focus on the victim's of these crimes rather than the killers. Everyone knows the names or Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, but do they remember Daniel Mauser? He was one of the students trapped and killed in the library, and according to the publicly available records, he was the only kid in there to try to fight back against Klebold & Harris by shoving a chair at them just before he was killed. (I don't indict the others for not fighting back btw, I completely understand why they didn't.) I wish people remembered Daniel's name instead of his killers.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 16, 2018 2:54:14 GMT -5
And, as expected, there's some dickhead with the "but knives though" argument. That dickhead needs to explain how the Las Vegas mass killer could have killed 50+ people from his hotel window with a knife. A ranged projectile weapon with massive ammunition capacity and a high rate of fire, will always be more dangerous than an object that only poses a threat in close quarters. Is it the twat who also mentioned bombs... because a gun will stop a bomb somehow?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 16, 2018 3:22:41 GMT -5
That dickhead needs to explain how the Las Vegas mass killer could have killed 50+ people from his hotel window with a knife. A ranged projectile weapon with massive ammunition capacity and a high rate of fire, will always be more dangerous than an object that only poses a threat in close quarters. Is it the twat who also mentioned bombs... because a gun will stop a bomb somehow? And acid attacks. Don't forget those. Looked at his timeline. Full of Britain First shite, alt-right bollocks, and a charming thread where he puts across his belief that if Jesus were alive today he'd be in total agreement with Adolf Hitler's opinion of Jews.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 16, 2018 3:23:25 GMT -5
It gets me so emotional to think of the grandma confronting that situation, which must have been a gut-wrenching shock, and managing not to give in to denial and think 'it's my grandson, I've known him my whole life and he would never do such a thing, he's just fantasizing and acting out', the way other parents/relatives do until it's too late. It must have been heartbreaking for her to make that call, but she probably (almost definitely) saved lives. Also, re: immortalizing other shooters, there needs to be way more focus on the victim's of these crimes rather than the killers. Everyone knows the names or Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, but do they remember Daniel Mauser? He was one of the students trapped and killed in the library, and according to the publicly available records, he was the only kid in there to try to fight back against Klebold & Harris by shoving a chair at them just before he was killed. (I don't indict the others for not fighting back btw, I completely understand why they didn't.) I wish people remembered Daniel's name instead of his killers. I agree, f*** the killers, I hope they rot in hell. But I think it's just easier to remember the one or two people's names than it is the numerous victims. Not saying it's right, just how it seems. Also, and I'm definitely guilty of this, we are fascinated by evil characters. Hitler, Manson, Son of Sam, Benoit to an extent, etc. We want to know how a seemingly normal person can go so insane. But this is a rare case of the killer being captured alive, so hopefully some questions are answered.
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Post by Shark on Feb 16, 2018 3:38:05 GMT -5
There are outlets and people that do flatly refuse to mention the shooter's name, Anderson Cooper for example, so there are people who refuse to give him the notoriety he likely desires.
I think when things like this happen, people want answers for why. The way to get that usually is looking at the people who commit these horrific acts. I don't think people intend to give these people infamy, it's just the byproduct of wanting to make sense of the senseless.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 16, 2018 4:03:53 GMT -5
The identity of particular mass shooters is a relatively minor issue. They tend to follow a pattern. They will always be male, usually white, either holding extreme beliefs or had previously demonstrated anti social behaviour which was ignored or not given serious attention. They are not usually loners, but joiners. People who have been rejected by society or social groups for any number of reasons or have experienced some form of personal failure and are now fuelled by rage and a desire to take out as many people as possible before effectively committing suicide by police, after absurdly being able to acquire an arsenal of semi automatic firearms.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2018 14:31:28 GMT -5
So apparently the FBI failed to act on a tip on January 5th that he was planning a school shooting...
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Feb 16, 2018 15:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on Feb 16, 2018 15:18:25 GMT -5
So apparently the FBI failed to act on a tip on January 5th that he was planning a school shooting... The FBI were aware, local law enforcement, faculty, and students talked/predicted it.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2018 15:21:14 GMT -5
So apparently the FBI failed to act on a tip on January 5th that he was planning a school shooting... The FBI were aware, local law enforcement, faculty, and students talked/predicted it. What’s worse is that they got a direct tip. This is past predicting it. This is a complete and utter failure by the FBI.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 16, 2018 16:45:31 GMT -5
While I do think that more needs to be done in regards to metal health checks and so forth when attempting to purchase a firearm. I also know that guns are inanimate objects that have to be acted upon by an outside force to be lethal. One can have a loaded AR set up on a tripod pointed directly at them but unless someone intentionally pulls the trigger they’re perfectly safe 99.9% of the time. It’s definitely a tough situation with no easy answer, which is why things like this will continue to happen and be discussed and debated. It’s by no means as simple as how it’s portrayed by the hot take people on TV of “ban all of the guns!” and “ NRA 4 Life!” I've never understood that point. Like, I should feel safer because guns don't discharge themselves? I mean, when gun owners are looking for guns (because let's be honest, who has only one gun amirite?) to protect their home, they're always looking for "stopping power". The ability to stop someone in their tracks and make them not a threat and.....pretty dead. But the minute someone uses their gun in an offensive way like to mow down school children and not defensive way like saving your family, it turns into a tool like a screwdriver or a wrench or the ability to YouTube simple adult tasks you should have learned years ago. The bottom line is when a gun is discharged in a public place, EVERYONE feels unsafe. Even the people who own guns and carry guns feel unsafe, they just have peace of mind. THAT is a problem now and has been for a long time, and something needs to be done about it. I don't like having to put my safety in the hands of millions of people's good judgement, most of whom don't know how to navigate a four-way stop sign.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 16, 2018 17:22:28 GMT -5
I'm so glad this idiot didn't get to off himself. That is such a rarity in these kind of horrific events.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 16, 2018 21:05:34 GMT -5
So apparently the FBI failed to act on a tip on January 5th that he was planning a school shooting... Yup failures all around here.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 16, 2018 21:17:00 GMT -5
So apparently the FBI failed to act on a tip on January 5th that he was planning a school shooting... Yup failures all around here. To be fair, how many vaguely threatening messages are posted by dipshit HS students on FB every single day? I doubt the FBI has the resources to investigate every single one, and even if they did I bet 99% of them would amount to “I was trying to be funny/edgy”. And personally, I’m not a fan of thinking federal agencies should be involved in investigating thought crimes. The ball was dropped here because a preponderance of evidence showed a genuine threat; but I understand why it wasn’t high on their list of priorities.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 16, 2018 22:40:40 GMT -5
Yup failures all around here. To be fair, how many vaguely threatening messages are posted by dipshit HS students on FB every single day? I doubt the FBI has the resources to investigate every single one, and even if they did I bet 99% of them would amount to “I was trying to be funny/edgy”. And personally, I’m not a fan of thinking federal agencies should be involved in investigating thought crimes. The ball was dropped here because a preponderance of evidence showed a genuine threat; but I understand why it wasn’t high on their list of priorities. I agree in generally but when the FBI post an our bad letter on their website I think they know this was not a normal low threat tip.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2018 23:00:31 GMT -5
Yup failures all around here. To be fair, how many vaguely threatening messages are posted by dipshit HS students on FB every single day? I doubt the FBI has the resources to investigate every single one, and even if they did I bet 99% of them would amount to “I was trying to be funny/edgy”. And personally, I’m not a fan of thinking federal agencies should be involved in investigating thought crimes. The ball was dropped here because a preponderance of evidence showed a genuine threat; but I understand why it wasn’t high on their list of priorities. It was a direct tip from someone close to him that he was planning this. It wasn’t some vague Facebook threat. He was on law enforcements radar. They’re sitting there saying “see something, say something” and then when someone does the tip doesn’t get passed down the line. All they had to do was direct them to his FB page which showed he was armed and took pleasure in killing animals for fun...you know, a hallmark of serial killers. Someone ...probably the director...Is taking a fall for this.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 17, 2018 7:32:36 GMT -5
I'm going to be as polite as possible about this and It'll seem harsh but f*** everyone whose answer to a tragedy like this is "thoughts and prayers" and then doing nothing. When something like this happens then you need a f***ing frank discussion about gun control instead of just giving that cop out and then complaining when people politicise things
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2018 7:34:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be as polite as possible about this and It'll seem harsh but f*** everyone whose answer to a tragedy like this is "thoughts and prayers" and then doing nothing. When something like this happens then you need a f***ing frank discussion about gun control instead of just giving that cop out and then complaining when people politicise things That requires civility, and not a single side of the argument has that anymore.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2018 8:21:23 GMT -5
I'm going to be as polite as possible about this and It'll seem harsh but f*** everyone whose answer to a tragedy like this is "thoughts and prayers" and then doing nothing. When something like this happens then you need a f***ing frank discussion about gun control instead of just giving that cop out and then complaining when people politicise things That requires civility, and not a single side of the argument has that anymore. Eh, I can't really expect civility from some in a debate like this anymore, not when a lot of the voices are people who have been directly impacted by the events. Many have clearly tried it, but when it never, ever produces a single result I can't fault someone for becoming frustrated.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Feb 17, 2018 10:32:12 GMT -5
At this point, at least some level of compromise would be better then nothing. I don't see anything wrong with someone owning like a bolt-action rifle or a revolver, but why do you need an assault rifle? For self-defense against a horde of gangsters? At the very least, they need to go.
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