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Post by spongebobhollypants on May 17, 2018 4:22:00 GMT -5
There's actually competition for rights this time, that's a major factor. NBCU wants to retain them, FOX are interested, they were paid almost $2m by FaceBook for the Mixed Match Challenge. There's a lot of room to negotiate. Personally, I think that's the main reason for the brand split, they always planned on separate rights deals for RAW and SmackDown. People said there was competition last time too, but it ended up with NBC as the only serious bidder, so I won't believe there's a big money deal incoming until the ink is dry on the contract. No, they really didn't. Additionally, I can't remember executives from other networks attending WWE events six months prior to the last negotiation period starting. There's definitely interest from Fox. |
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Post by eJm on May 17, 2018 5:11:41 GMT -5
People said there was competition last time too, but it ended up with NBC as the only serious bidder, so I won't believe there's a big money deal incoming until the ink is dry on the contract. No, they really didn't. Additionally, I can't remember executives from other networks attending WWE events six months prior to the last negotiation period starting. There's definitely interest from Fox. It was more that they were trying to throw feelers out to networks but nobody was biting, hence Vince trying to claim that they were getting a much bigger deal than they got. I mean, the only difference is that WWE actually have had meetings with people from Facebook, Disney etc earlier this year so they have done SOME leg work themselves this time around. |
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Post by spongebobhollypants on May 17, 2018 5:41:07 GMT -5
No, they really didn't. Additionally, I can't remember executives from other networks attending WWE events six months prior to the last negotiation period starting. There's definitely interest from Fox. It was more that they were trying to throw feelers out to networks but nobody was biting, hence Vince trying to claim that they were getting a much bigger deal than they got. I mean, the only difference is that WWE actually have had meetings with people from Facebook, Disney etc earlier this year so they have done SOME leg work themselves this time around. Well, that was my point. That there's legitimate competition for the rights this time around. WWE completely overestimated their worth last time, and it bit them on the arse and stock plummeted. It's also interesting to note that WWE is working William Morris Endeavor (who own the UFC) and Creative Arts Agency to negotiate new rights deals. Those two companies are hugely influential. |
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Post by eJm on May 17, 2018 5:43:51 GMT -5
It was more that they were trying to throw feelers out to networks but nobody was biting, hence Vince trying to claim that they were getting a much bigger deal than they got. I mean, the only difference is that WWE actually have had meetings with people from Facebook, Disney etc earlier this year so they have done SOME leg work themselves this time around. Well, that was my point. That there's legitimate competition for the rights this time around. WWE completely overestimated their worth last time, and it bit them on the arse and stock plummeted. It's also interesting to note that WWE is working William Morris Endeavor (who own the UFC) and Creative Arts Agency to negotiate new rights deals. Those two companies are hugely influential. I getcha. Was just more putting together what I remember at the time. And on whose involved, I mean, that does make sense. They’re a big enough brand to get that kind of support for their deals at this point. |
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Post by spongebobhollypants on May 17, 2018 6:01:15 GMT -5
I mean, we're assuming that this report is accurate, and I'd be surprised if they were actually tripling the deal. That said, the idea that WWE could be earning over $500 million per year just in rights fees is pretty scary. Keep in mind that NJPW, their closest competitor, makes about $45 million a year for everything (and we don't even know if they made a profit last year, due to increased costs in running shows outside of Japan and larger contracts).
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Post by Juice on May 17, 2018 6:12:34 GMT -5
NOTHING about this shit product will ever change with monetary value going up like this. Imagine someone paying $480 million dollars for the rights to According to Jim. What I'm trying to say is 1) WWE will never change their ways when the product draws ratings and 2) Jim Belushi is a wank pheasant. I liked that show though. Id watch it before Raw any Monday now. |
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Post by segaz on May 17, 2018 6:26:45 GMT -5
See that really bugs me. The idea that Vince would pull a konami or a steam kinda and refuse to branch out creatively purely because he's getting more money this way.
Maybe WWE is actually compelling viewing right now? Maybe even though I really don't find it interesting and am disappointed especially with the main title scene compared to the past, people....love it? Genuinely? Not as blind sheep but as informed viewers? Maybe tv ratings slide aren't that important and i guess playing it safe guarantees the bottom line as opposed to risky new territory?
Am I that out of touch? 🤔
No, it's the subscriber's that are wrong lol
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Post by slaughterama on May 17, 2018 6:51:01 GMT -5
We'll have to wait until the final number comes out, but people seem to underestimate just how much the streaming networks have changed the landscape of TV. They are legit players with deep pockets. Companies like NBC, Fox, CBS, etc. are all desperate for content that brings in eyes from programming outside of their usual wheelhouse, and WWE brings that. Even if Raw isn't the juggernaut is was 20 years ago, it is still a solid enough performer that USA couldn't afford to lose the 150+ hours and the strong enough ratings it gives them.
IF that 480 million number is true, I wonder if NBC tried to make Raw as valuable as possible and wanted input on what wrestlers are featured on the show, as well as negotiating that it can be WWE's only live broadcast on network or cable television, dropping the value of SmackDown to whoever gets it. At 480 million, that might be a deal WWE would make.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 17, 2018 9:01:53 GMT -5
For those playing along at home, the stock price broke the $50 barrier for the first time off the back of this, before settling back to $49.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 17, 2018 9:04:51 GMT -5
For those playing along at home, the stock price broke the $50 barrier for the first time off the back of this, before settling back to $49. So still out of my reach, then. Back to Japanese bank stocks. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 17, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -5
Maybe the MCU can get Smackdown?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 17, 2018 9:22:24 GMT -5
Maybe the MCU can get Smackdown? If they all start playing ice hockey instead, I’m handing over Bang Bang Bart to scientists. |
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Post by spongebobhollypants on May 17, 2018 9:24:49 GMT -5
For those playing along at home, the stock price broke the $50 barrier for the first time off the back of this, before settling back to $49. Makes me glad I bought at $11. |
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2018 9:29:29 GMT -5
Oh, geez, I'd seen the headlines and skimmed it for this story, but now actually having the numbers laid out...
This would be an amazingly good deal for WWE. Someone found a four-leaf clover recently and no mistake.
Like the booking or not, WWE have the market and damn sure know how to get blood out of a stone. Or, rather, blood out of a pile of smaller stones rather than just one big one.
If they'd been this financially savvy back in the boom times of Hogan and Austin, they'd be out of sight right now. Instead of merely ludicrously far ahead.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 10:47:10 GMT -5
This begs the question.
If SmackDown goes elsewhere, will there be an urge to still have it live, or go back to the tape delay model?
I'm guessing if SmackDown is being cast off as sloppy seconds, this may likely be the case.
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Post by Muskrat on May 17, 2018 11:09:59 GMT -5
This begs the question. If SmackDown goes elsewhere, will there be an urge to still have it live, or go back to the tape delay model? I'm guessing if SmackDown is being cast off as sloppy seconds, this may likely be the case. WWE will want to keep it live because that makes it more attractive to networks, and advertisers. It would bring in more money live then taped |
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Post by KofiMania on May 17, 2018 11:43:47 GMT -5
This begs the question. If SmackDown goes elsewhere, will there be an urge to still have it live, or go back to the tape delay model? I'm guessing if SmackDown is being cast off as sloppy seconds, this may likely be the case. It actually means the opposite. They'd be the featured program of their new deal with a new network, most likely Fox (or FS1). I'd imagine they would actually put more effort into Smackdown than they already do. Being live is good for ratings as well. |
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Post by 111111 on May 17, 2018 11:51:23 GMT -5
If I owned WWE stock I'd sell now.
Remember last time when we were hearing all sorts of things about how big the tv deal was going to be and it ended up a whimper?
Like I said in the last thread it is highly illegal to try and manipulate stock prices but part of me does wonder if WWE leak falae information about their negotiations to try and get better offers and to up their stock price.
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Post by Rican on May 17, 2018 13:33:18 GMT -5
Before I go into this I know it's not going to happen and the actual execution of it would probably suck since WWE's writing team is awful, BUT...
I feel like we're at the point where having RAW AND SmackDown is overkill. Especially if they're going to get three times as much JUST for RAW. In a perfect world, WWE would be able to do what NXT basically does where they have one weekly show that not everyone shows up on every week. 3 hour RAWs and the massive roster is large enough that you could focus on entirely different characters and feuds on a weekly basis, and build up to maybe 8-9 major PPV events a year. I honestly feel like the biggest problem WWE has is overexposure and scaling back in this way while keeping the touring and live event presence pretty much how they have it would help things feel fresher and more important.
BUT, I know that's asking a lot of WWE's limited "creative" team, and whatever they get offered for SmackDown would be hard to walk away from.
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Post by MrElijah on May 17, 2018 14:28:11 GMT -5
Maybe the MCU can get Smackdown? "Nakamura just used Captain America's shield for a low blow!!" |
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