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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 9, 2019 12:35:51 GMT -5
We have more bans and restrictions on TOY guns than the real weapons in the US. It is easier for me to get a real AR-18 then a decent replica of Han Solo’s blaster. That’s... just weird I ran into this issue about 2 years ago and it blew my mind. It was easier to get a buy the "REAL" Stormtrooper Rifle prop replica that shot real bullets than a realistic model one with lights and sound. The gun shipped completed and the toy required 2 different kits and about 4 hours worth of modifications to get rid of the stupid ass orange tip and repaint the non-black parts. It reminds me of a line that George Carlin said: "This is a place where gun store owners are given a list of stolen credit cards, but not a list of criminals and maniacs! And now they're thinking about banning toy guns. And they're gonna keep the f***in REAL ONES!"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 9, 2019 13:24:30 GMT -5
When I was about 11, I had a toy uzi that looked realistic, had a shoulder strap, did lights and sound and you could add liquid smoke that come out the barrel.
It was very fun to play with but would never fly today. But like you said, the real thing ain't exactly difficult to obtain.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 10, 2019 7:29:19 GMT -5
Las Vegas is very fortunate this morning. It very nearly happened again to a city that has already suffered a mass casualty event. FBI arrested an individual who was making plans to target LGBT and Jewish individuals with homemade explosives and the weapon de jour these days, the AR-17. www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-man-charged-plans-attack-synagogue-bar_n_5d4e0632e4b0fd2733f077b0I understand the trickiness here, but I really am hoping that mods can keep this thread open as long as possible. Stuff like El Paso and Dayton and now this shows that this is not going to stop. If we can be civil and if we can keep from making it all political, let us keep this discussion please.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 10, 2019 8:21:00 GMT -5
We have more bans and restrictions on TOY guns than the real weapons in the US. It is easier for me to get a real AR-18 then a decent replica of Han Solo’s blaster. That’s... just weird I ran into this issue about 2 years ago and it blew my mind. It was easier to get a buy the "REAL" Stormtrooper Rifle prop replica that shot real bullets than a realistic model one with lights and sound. The gun shipped completed and the toy required 2 different kits and about 4 hours worth of modifications to get rid of the stupid ass orange tip and repaint the non-black parts. The orange tip thing infuriates me actually, because for whatever reason there isn't a law against painting the end of your REAL gun orange, and some day some jackass is gonna get a moments heads up on police thanks to that.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 10, 2019 8:56:09 GMT -5
I ran into this issue about 2 years ago and it blew my mind. It was easier to get a buy the "REAL" Stormtrooper Rifle prop replica that shot real bullets than a realistic model one with lights and sound. The gun shipped completed and the toy required 2 different kits and about 4 hours worth of modifications to get rid of the stupid ass orange tip and repaint the non-black parts. The orange tip thing infuriates me actually, because for whatever reason there isn't a law against painting the end of your REAL gun orange, and some day some jackass is gonna get a moments heads up on police thanks to that. I think that happened year ago. A kid either painted over or removed he top and was shot by an officer
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 10, 2019 9:52:27 GMT -5
Las Vegas is very fortunate this morning. It very nearly happened again to a city that has already suffered a mass casualty event. FBI arrested an individual who was making plans to target LGBT and Jewish individuals with homemade explosives and the weapon de jour these days, the AR-17. www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-man-charged-plans-attack-synagogue-bar_n_5d4e0632e4b0fd2733f077b0I understand the trickiness here, but I really am hoping that mods can keep this thread open as long as possible. Stuff like El Paso and Dayton and now this shows that this is not going to stop. If we can be civil and if we can keep from making it all political, let us keep this discussion please. There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 10, 2019 11:03:13 GMT -5
Las Vegas is very fortunate this morning. It very nearly happened again to a city that has already suffered a mass casualty event. FBI arrested an individual who was making plans to target LGBT and Jewish individuals with homemade explosives and the weapon de jour these days, the AR-17. www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-man-charged-plans-attack-synagogue-bar_n_5d4e0632e4b0fd2733f077b0I understand the trickiness here, but I really am hoping that mods can keep this thread open as long as possible. Stuff like El Paso and Dayton and now this shows that this is not going to stop. If we can be civil and if we can keep from making it all political, let us keep this discussion please. There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages. I live in Illinois and the middle part of America would and do hoard their guns like you wouldn't believe. Not confiscating them would result in most of them staying exactly where they are now or simply moving in small circles, which is the problem. You don't want gun violence, but going into people's homes and taking their stuff seems unamerican to the point where people on both sides would oppose it. Not to mention, you make it illegal and stop producing/distributing these guns would make them more sought after and more valuable, so those types of people would value them even more. I know probably 30 families that are big into guns and they've probably got hundreds between them. And it's like that all over the south and midwest.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 10, 2019 11:19:43 GMT -5
There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages. I live in Illinois and the middle part of America would and do hoard their guns like you wouldn't believe. Not confiscating them would result in most of them staying exactly where they are now or simply moving in small circles, which is the problem. You don't want gun violence, but going into people's homes and taking their stuff seems unamerican to the point where people on both sides would oppose it. Not to mention, you make it illegal and stop producing/distributing these guns would make them more sought after and more valuable, so those types of people would value them even more. I know probably 30 families that are big into guns and they've probably got hundreds between them. And it's like that all over the south and midwest. This is a big part of why there isn’t any easy solution to this issue. Background checks and “red flag” laws to keep them away from criminals and people who seem homicidal/suicidal or mentally ill would be good first steps though.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 10, 2019 18:44:19 GMT -5
Las Vegas is very fortunate this morning. It very nearly happened again to a city that has already suffered a mass casualty event. FBI arrested an individual who was making plans to target LGBT and Jewish individuals with homemade explosives and the weapon de jour these days, the AR-17. www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-man-charged-plans-attack-synagogue-bar_n_5d4e0632e4b0fd2733f077b0I understand the trickiness here, but I really am hoping that mods can keep this thread open as long as possible. Stuff like El Paso and Dayton and now this shows that this is not going to stop. If we can be civil and if we can keep from making it all political, let us keep this discussion please. There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages. What’s crazy is I know for a fact gun buybacks work - I saw them instituted as part of gun control back when I lived in California. You promise someone something of value for their weapon instead of seizing it, I think they will take the offer each time. Let’s do something to protect our fellow man, please!
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Post by Cyno on Aug 10, 2019 19:03:36 GMT -5
Even if civilian ownership of every gun ever was made illegal tomorrow, I think there's an ex post facto provision in the Constitution that prevents mandatory confiscation if you owned the thing legally before it was made illegal.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 10, 2019 19:07:19 GMT -5
I live in Illinois and the middle part of America would and do hoard their guns like you wouldn't believe. Not confiscating them would result in most of them staying exactly where they are now or simply moving in small circles, which is the problem. You don't want gun violence, but going into people's homes and taking their stuff seems unamerican to the point where people on both sides would oppose it. Not to mention, you make it illegal and stop producing/distributing these guns would make them more sought after and more valuable, so those types of people would value them even more. I know probably 30 families that are big into guns and they've probably got hundreds between them. And it's like that all over the south and midwest. This is a big part of why there isn’t any easy solution to this issue. Background checks and “red flag” laws to keep them away from criminals and people who seem homicidal/suicidal or mentally ill would be good first steps though. I agree, I just think it will be generations before we feel like these concerns are reasonably quelled. And even then, it would still be a possibility, just not a sad new normal. There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages. What’s crazy is I know for a fact gun buybacks work - I saw them instituted as part of gun control back when I lived in California. You promise someone something of value for their weapon instead of seizing it, I think they will take the offer each time.This is simply not the reality of the situation we're dealing with here. A LOT of gun owners are fanatical about owning guns. Even if you got to the point of the country saying they are going to physically come into people's home and confiscate certain guns, I would say probably 33-40% still hold out. You'd inevitably end up with a bunch of Ruby Ridge type of situations. Confiscating would play into this weird conspiracy theory mindset of the country always wanting to take their guns that an embarrassing amount of gun people have. I swear, it's like these people think that their weapons ARE their way of life. That's the issue, pandora's box on guns has already been opened. It's going to take a lot of solutions a very long time to return to normal.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 10, 2019 20:01:49 GMT -5
I I was gonna say..no amount of incentive or monetary value is gonna incentivize: this goes deeper.
Full disclosure, I’ve only held guns as a kid in a pawn store. That’s it. I have no hate or love for them. And I have no idea what the f*** to do about this situation.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 10, 2019 20:20:28 GMT -5
This is a big part of why there isn’t any easy solution to this issue. Background checks and “red flag” laws to keep them away from criminals and people who seem homicidal/suicidal or mentally ill would be good first steps though. I agree, I just think it will be generations before we feel like these concerns are reasonably quelled. And even then, it would still be a possibility, just not a sad new normal. What’s crazy is I know for a fact gun buybacks work - I saw them instituted as part of gun control back when I lived in California. You promise someone something of value for their weapon instead of seizing it, I think they will take the offer each time.This is simply not the reality of the situation we're dealing with here. A LOT of gun owners are fanatical about owning guns. Even if you got to the point of the country saying they are going to physically come into people's home and confiscate certain guns, I would say probably 33-40% still hold out. You'd inevitably end up with a bunch of Ruby Ridge type of situations. Confiscating would play into this weird conspiracy theory mindset of the country always wanting to take their guns that an embarrassing amount of gun people have. I swear, it's like these people think that their weapons ARE their way of life. That's the issue, pandora's box on guns has already been opened. It's going to take a lot of solutions a very long time to return to normal. I agree, but the alternative is doing nothing and so far, that is only increasing the body count. Something has to be done and frankly, it’s time to stop. The gun culture in this nation just needs to understand that if they continue down this path, their lifestyle, their mentality, puts bloodshed squarely on their hands. But I have no other solution other than buybacks and the new laws. The alternative is too drastic - repeal of the 2nd Amendment as outdated. The howls WILL cause an internal civil war and I don’t want that either. So we have to compromise.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 10, 2019 20:24:28 GMT -5
I agree, I just think it will be generations before we feel like these concerns are reasonably quelled. And even then, it would still be a possibility, just not a sad new normal. This is simply not the reality of the situation we're dealing with here. A LOT of gun owners are fanatical about owning guns. Even if you got to the point of the country saying they are going to physically come into people's home and confiscate certain guns, I would say probably 33-40% still hold out. You'd inevitably end up with a bunch of Ruby Ridge type of situations. Confiscating would play into this weird conspiracy theory mindset of the country always wanting to take their guns that an embarrassing amount of gun people have. I swear, it's like these people think that their weapons ARE their way of life. That's the issue, pandora's box on guns has already been opened. It's going to take a lot of solutions a very long time to return to normal. I agree, but the alternative is doing nothing and so far, that is only increasing the body count. Something has to be done and frankly, it’s time to stop. The gun culture in this nation just needs to understand that if they continue down this path, their lifestyle, their mentality, puts bloodshed squarely on their hands. But I have no other solution other than buybacks and the new laws. The alternative is too drastic - repeal of the 2nd Amendment as outdated. The howls WILL cause an internal civil war and I don’t want that either. So we have to compromise. That internal civil war seems imminent even without that. And I don’t want that. And I do feel compromise is probably gonna have to be abtained, and not at our level. But where money and how and if, will flow.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 10, 2019 20:28:23 GMT -5
I agree, but the alternative is doing nothing and so far, that is only increasing the body count. Something has to be done and frankly, it’s time to stop. The gun culture in this nation just needs to understand that if they continue down this path, their lifestyle, their mentality, puts bloodshed squarely on their hands. But I have no other solution other than buybacks and the new laws. The alternative is too drastic - repeal of the 2nd Amendment as outdated. The howls WILL cause an internal civil war and I don’t want that either. So we have to compromise. That internal civil war seems imminent even without that. And I don’t want that. And I do feel compromise is probably gonna have to be abtained, and not at our level. But where money and how and if, will flow. And George Lucas looks like a prophet - fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. And we’re at the brink.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 10, 2019 20:31:39 GMT -5
Even if civilian ownership of every gun ever was made illegal tomorrow, I think there's an ex post facto provision in the Constitution that prevents mandatory confiscation if you owned the thing legally before it was made illegal. If things ever get as far as amending the Constitution to make guns illegal, there's probably not a lot preventing lawmakers from removing that provision as well. All rights, legal and otherwise, aren't really rights as much as they are a set of privileges that can be taken away, if those in power have the motivation and will to do so.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Aug 10, 2019 20:40:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, common sense isn't common.
I keep saying, if you can't protect your home or yourself with a shotgun, rifle, or handgun...you shouldn't have a gun at all.
I just do not understand the need to have military grade weapons in the home. They say for self defense, but again...from who? Ninjas? Gangs of rapist clowns like in The Purge? Dragons? What do you need these weapons for?
Somebody breaks into your house, you're just going to start spraying bullets? You can't hunt with them. So what practical purpose do they serve?
Cops and military people say these guns shouldn't be handled by civilians. Doesn't the NRA love the cops and military? Do they want cops to get a call where a guy gets the drop on them with a machine gun?
And once more; those AR-15s, AKs, and other guns are for one reason only. TO KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Not hunting and not for use against a home invader.
Where I live, and lots of other places, you have a limit on how many pets you can have. But people can have an entire arsenal in their homes. Fireworks are illegal, but weapons of mass destruction aren't.
Common sense. Another thing the rest of the world beats the United States in.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 10, 2019 20:41:59 GMT -5
Even if civilian ownership of every gun ever was made illegal tomorrow, I think there's an ex post facto provision in the Constitution that prevents mandatory confiscation if you owned the thing legally before it was made illegal. If things ever get as far as amending the Constitution to make guns illegal, there's probably not a lot preventing lawmakers from removing that provision as well. All rights, legal and otherwise, aren't really rights as much as they are a set of privileges that can be taken away, if those in power have the motivation and will to do so. The root of the 2nd Amendment is the idea that the United States had no standing military or police at the time of its founding. Plus, the right to bear arms was a direct cause for the Revolution to begin with. The issue is a. circumstances have changed with the police departments and Army established and b. no way could the drafters have imagined assault rifles or them being used to kill people, not deer. And for those who argue it cannot - nay, must not - be changed, remember the Southern states insisted on population counts counting white people as wholes and ‘all others’ as three-fifths of a person per. That was changed by the 14th Amendment. So, yes, change is possible, but damned difficult. I really don’t want to have that argument either, which is why I personally am begging for a compromise. I think it can be reached, as it has been before, if we can reason, not be ruled by emotion.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 10, 2019 20:42:41 GMT -5
So Venezuela, Uruguay, and Japan have set travel advisories for their citizens when they travel to the U.S.
I never thought I'd see this day.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 10, 2019 20:45:48 GMT -5
Las Vegas is very fortunate this morning. It very nearly happened again to a city that has already suffered a mass casualty event. FBI arrested an individual who was making plans to target LGBT and Jewish individuals with homemade explosives and the weapon de jour these days, the AR-17. www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-man-charged-plans-attack-synagogue-bar_n_5d4e0632e4b0fd2733f077b0I understand the trickiness here, but I really am hoping that mods can keep this thread open as long as possible. Stuff like El Paso and Dayton and now this shows that this is not going to stop. If we can be civil and if we can keep from making it all political, let us keep this discussion please. There was also the guy walking into the Missouri Wal Mart, and a couple other scares in recent days. Sadly, this is what the terrorists want: to use one attack to instigate more to further their awful ends. As for how guns would be removed, confiscation wouldn't be likely, but gun buyback programs have been instituted in other places, usually to success. Doesn't mean we can do exactly what, say, Australia did and have it work the same, cultural/social/political differences between the two nations being what they are, but it's certainly not impossible. It's seems odd, but the majority of privately owned firearms in this country are held by a very, very small slice of the population, something like the low single digit percentages. I think I saw somewhere where it's like 3% of gun owners in America own about 90% of the guns or something obscene like that.
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