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Post by sfvega on Aug 10, 2019 21:04:29 GMT -5
I agree, I just think it will be generations before we feel like these concerns are reasonably quelled. And even then, it would still be a possibility, just not a sad new normal. This is simply not the reality of the situation we're dealing with here. A LOT of gun owners are fanatical about owning guns. Even if you got to the point of the country saying they are going to physically come into people's home and confiscate certain guns, I would say probably 33-40% still hold out. You'd inevitably end up with a bunch of Ruby Ridge type of situations. Confiscating would play into this weird conspiracy theory mindset of the country always wanting to take their guns that an embarrassing amount of gun people have. I swear, it's like these people think that their weapons ARE their way of life. That's the issue, pandora's box on guns has already been opened. It's going to take a lot of solutions a very long time to return to normal. I agree, but the alternative is doing nothing and so far, that is only increasing the body count. Something has to be done and frankly, it’s time to stop. The gun culture in this nation just needs to understand that if they continue down this path, their lifestyle, their mentality, puts bloodshed squarely on their hands. But I have no other solution other than buybacks and the new laws. The alternative is too drastic - repeal of the 2nd Amendment as outdated. The howls WILL cause an internal civil war and I don’t want that either. So we have to compromise. It's not so much that you do something vs. nothing, despite those in power a vast, vast majority of our population thinks serious measures need to be taken. It's that there's not a ton that legislation can do to prevent the wrong people from having these weapons when for 15 years it has been as easy for anyone to obtain them as, say, a Happy Meal. Legislation would change our future, but it would take a long time before it changes our present. We're looking at another 20+ years of people's lives being decided at the whim of an instable, armed-to-the-teeth individual. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 10, 2019 21:36:38 GMT -5
So Venezuela, Uruguay, and Japan have set travel advisories for their citizens when they travel to the U.S. I never thought I'd see this day. Words fail me, even though I am not surprised. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 10, 2019 21:57:39 GMT -5
So Venezuela, Uruguay, and Japan have set travel advisories for their citizens when they travel to the U.S. I never thought I'd see this day. Words fail me, even though I am not surprised.  |
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Post by zero744 on Aug 10, 2019 22:00:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately, common sense isn't common. I keep saying, if you can't protect your home or yourself with a shotgun, rifle, or handgun...you shouldn't have a gun at all. I just do not understand the need to have military grade weapons in the home. They say for self defense, but again...from who? Ninjas? Gangs of rapist clowns like in The Purge? Dragons? What do you need these weapons for? Somebody breaks into your house, you're just going to start spraying bullets? You can't hunt with them. So what practical purpose do they serve? Cops and military people say these guns shouldn't be handled by civilians. Doesn't the NRA love the cops and military? Do they want cops to get a call where a guy gets the drop on them with a machine gun? And once more; those AR-15s, AKs, and other guns are for one reason only. TO KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Not hunting and not for use against a home invader. Where I live, and lots of other places, you have a limit on how many pets you can have. But people can have an entire arsenal in their homes. Fireworks are illegal, but weapons of mass destruction aren't. Common sense. Another thing the rest of the world beats the United States in. you’re very uninformed. No one legally has a “machine gun” which would mean fully automatic. AR’s ARE legal for hunting. Anything else you’re wrong about? |
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Post by Cyno on Aug 10, 2019 22:09:41 GMT -5
Yeah it's not like it's pretty damned easy to modify a legally-purchased semi-auto rifle to be able to fire fully automatic or anything.
Also he never said AR's are illegal for hunting. Just unnecessary.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 10, 2019 22:37:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately, common sense isn't common. I keep saying, if you can't protect your home or yourself with a shotgun, rifle, or handgun...you shouldn't have a gun at all. I just do not understand the need to have military grade weapons in the home. They say for self defense, but again...from who? Ninjas? Gangs of rapist clowns like in The Purge? Dragons? What do you need these weapons for? Somebody breaks into your house, you're just going to start spraying bullets? You can't hunt with them. So what practical purpose do they serve? Cops and military people say these guns shouldn't be handled by civilians. Doesn't the NRA love the cops and military? Do they want cops to get a call where a guy gets the drop on them with a machine gun? And once more; those AR-15s, AKs, and other guns are for one reason only. TO KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Not hunting and not for use against a home invader. Where I live, and lots of other places, you have a limit on how many pets you can have. But people can have an entire arsenal in their homes. Fireworks are illegal, but weapons of mass destruction aren't. Common sense. Another thing the rest of the world beats the United States in. you’re very uninformed. No one legally has a “machine gun” which would mean fully automatic. AR’s ARE legal for hunting. Anything else you’re wrong about? Find a better way to talk to your fellow posters. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 10, 2019 22:49:18 GMT -5
So Venezuela, Uruguay, and Japan have set travel advisories for their citizens when they travel to the U.S. I never thought I'd see this day. Words fail me, even though I am not surprised. Kind of ridiculous especially considering the capital of Venezuela is one of the most dangerous places on the planet. As asinine and ignorant of the emotions as NdGT's tweet was, his statistics are correct. You're highly unlikely to be the victim of gun violence in the United States. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 10, 2019 23:24:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately, common sense isn't common. I keep saying, if you can't protect your home or yourself with a shotgun, rifle, or handgun...you shouldn't have a gun at all. I just do not understand the need to have military grade weapons in the home. They say for self defense, but again...from who? Ninjas? Gangs of rapist clowns like in The Purge? Dragons? What do you need these weapons for? Somebody breaks into your house, you're just going to start spraying bullets? You can't hunt with them. So what practical purpose do they serve? Cops and military people say these guns shouldn't be handled by civilians. Doesn't the NRA love the cops and military? Do they want cops to get a call where a guy gets the drop on them with a machine gun? And once more; those AR-15s, AKs, and other guns are for one reason only. TO KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Not hunting and not for use against a home invader. Where I live, and lots of other places, you have a limit on how many pets you can have. But people can have an entire arsenal in their homes. Fireworks are illegal, but weapons of mass destruction aren't. Common sense. Another thing the rest of the world beats the United States in. you’re very uninformed. No one legally has a “machine gun” which would mean fully automatic. AR’s ARE legal for hunting. Anything else you’re wrong about? I am going to try to be more respectful here, but you are actually uninformed with your statement. There literally are well over 100,000 legally owned fully automatic machine guns in the US. When fully automatic machine guns were made illegal in 1986, all existing such weapons in private ownership were granted an exemption, provided the weapon is registered with the ATF. That’s right, for over 30 years there actually has been a nation-wide gun registry database tracking roughly 160,000 of the deadliest weapons imaginable. That database allows us to state with absolute certainty that not a single one of those exempted weapons has been used in any crimes. Granted, I think using a M2 or a mini gun to commit a crime would be serious overkill, but it still is comforting to know for sure that no one did so. |
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Post by arrogantmodel on Aug 11, 2019 2:01:36 GMT -5
But again, why are they needed?
Any gun that spits out that many bullets that fast should only be allowed to be operated by military and police. Specially trained people who may actually find themselves in a firefight.
And yeah, that "good guy with a gun" bullshit has pretty much gone out the window with one "good guy" getting shot and killed by police, and the Dayton good guys responding in 30 seconds, only to still have about forty people killed and injured.
More guns is not the answer. This (and other reasons) are why the rest of the world is either laughing at us or shaking their heads.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 11, 2019 3:13:43 GMT -5
But again, why are they needed? Any gun that spits out that many bullets that fast should only be allowed to be operated by military and police. Specially trained people who may actually find themselves in a firefight. And yeah, that "good guy with a gun" bullshit has pretty much gone out the window with one "good guy" getting shot and killed by police, and the Dayton good guys responding in 30 seconds, only to still have about forty people killed and injured. More guns is not the answer. This (and other reasons) are why the rest of the world is either laughing at us or shaking their heads. Yeah, quibbling over that definition is SO missing the point. Should just keep it simple, "any gun that can kill a f***ton of people in seconds" that work for everyone? |
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 11, 2019 6:28:10 GMT -5
I agree, but the alternative is doing nothing and so far, that is only increasing the body count. Something has to be done and frankly, it’s time to stop. The gun culture in this nation just needs to understand that if they continue down this path, their lifestyle, their mentality, puts bloodshed squarely on their hands. But I have no other solution other than buybacks and the new laws. The alternative is too drastic - repeal of the 2nd Amendment as outdated. The howls WILL cause an internal civil war and I don’t want that either. So we have to compromise. It's not so much that you do something vs. nothing, despite those in power a vast, vast majority of our population thinks serious measures need to be taken. It's that there's not a ton that legislation can do to prevent the wrong people from having these weapons when for 15 years it has been as easy for anyone to obtain them as, say, a Happy Meal. Legislation would change our future, but it would take a long time before it changes our present. We're looking at another 20+ years of people's lives being decided at the whim of an instable, armed-to-the-teeth individual. Then the sooner we get to work, the better. Even the most ardent insistent collector of guns has to accept that this mentality, this way, is not the answer. We have a death toll in violence that rivals a small war. We are having safety drills in schools and workplaces. Bulletproof backpacks are considered essential for back to school this year. There has to be more than one option versus the absolute. And no offense, I’m tired of being told it can’t be done, I want to at least have something we can all agree on as a path forward. We have to if we have any hope of sanity and safety in this country. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 11, 2019 6:58:55 GMT -5
It's not so much that you do something vs. nothing, despite those in power a vast, vast majority of our population thinks serious measures need to be taken. It's that there's not a ton that legislation can do to prevent the wrong people from having these weapons when for 15 years it has been as easy for anyone to obtain them as, say, a Happy Meal. Legislation would change our future, but it would take a long time before it changes our present. We're looking at another 20+ years of people's lives being decided at the whim of an instable, armed-to-the-teeth individual. Then the sooner we get to work, the better. Even the most ardent insistent collector of guns has to accept that this mentality, this way, is not the answer. We have a death toll in violence that rivals a small war. We are having safety drills in schools and workplaces. Bulletproof backpacks are considered essential for back to school this year. There has to be more than one option versus the absolute. And no offense, I’m tired of being told it can’t be done, I want to at least have something we can all agree on as a path forward. We have to if we have any hope of sanity and safety in this country. I agree with you, but it is a solution that doesn't take into account the extreme, ridiculous fervor of the other side. In theory, it is very simple. In practice, it gets really, really messy. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 11, 2019 10:14:11 GMT -5
Then the sooner we get to work, the better. Even the most ardent insistent collector of guns has to accept that this mentality, this way, is not the answer. We have a death toll in violence that rivals a small war. We are having safety drills in schools and workplaces. Bulletproof backpacks are considered essential for back to school this year. There has to be more than one option versus the absolute. And no offense, I’m tired of being told it can’t be done, I want to at least have something we can all agree on as a path forward. We have to if we have any hope of sanity and safety in this country. I agree with you, but it is a solution that doesn't take into account the extreme, ridiculous fervor of the other side. In theory, it is very simple. In practice, it gets really, really messy. This also fails to take into account the tactics the gun manufacturers use to sell more guns. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the more people who get killed and more sympathetic the people gunned down, the more profit they can derive. They do so through two separate tactics: 1) Gun manufacturers WANT criminals to get gun. For starters, they still usually buy the guns through loopholes and straw purchases, so they contribute directly to their profits. Second, the percentage of Americans who own firearms is as low as it has ever been. Whenever violent crimes get publicized some of those non-owners change their minds in order to have weapons available to defend themselves and their loved ones. Hell, even my wife suggested we get one and she hates them. This is why any law that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals get so much opposition. Most people, including most gun owners, don’t want criminals to get guns, but the gun manufacturers actually do want that. Guess who gets their way? 2) Every mass shooting also drives up sales. Fewer people own guns, but there are more guns out there. That is because there is a population that owns more guns than they could reasonably use and these guys, worried that someone is coming for their guns, but more guns in the hopes that they can still have more leftovers when that does happen. It’s a stupid mindset, but it is hard to get around and does drive up their profits. |
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 11, 2019 20:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 11, 2019 22:25:26 GMT -5
That's... not a lot of people
As tragic and unnecessary as every single one of those deaths are it goes to show the majority of gun deaths in this country are of the one off variety. The ones that get ignored by the media in large part, or become the fourth or fifth story on the local news about whatever major city you live in.
If anybody is truly serious about gun violence, that's where you start. Sadly it doesn't move the needle in one direction or the other. But a life taken is a life taken, and gun violence is gun violence
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 11, 2019 22:32:33 GMT -5
That's... not a lot of people
As tragic and unnecessary as every single one of those deaths are it goes to show the majority of gun deaths in this country are of the one off variety. The ones that get ignored by the media in large part, or become the fourth or fifth story on the local news about whatever major city you live in.
If anybody is truly serious about gun violence, that's where you start. Sadly it doesn't move the needle in one direction or the other. But a life taken is a life taken, and gun violence is gun violence
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 11, 2019 22:40:38 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 11, 2019 23:57:04 GMT -5
That's... not a lot of people
As tragic and unnecessary as every single one of those deaths are it goes to show the majority of gun deaths in this country are of the one off variety. The ones that get ignored by the media in large part, or become the fourth or fifth story on the local news about whatever major city you live in.
If anybody is truly serious about gun violence, that's where you start. Sadly it doesn't move the needle in one direction or the other. But a life taken is a life taken, and gun violence is gun violence
Thanks, Neil Degrasse Tyson. Jabs like this, to reasonable discussion, is why we’re not going to get anywhere with this. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 12, 2019 8:46:16 GMT -5
That's... not a lot of people
As tragic and unnecessary as every single one of those deaths are it goes to show the majority of gun deaths in this country are of the one off variety. The ones that get ignored by the media in large part, or become the fourth or fifth story on the local news about whatever major city you live in.
If anybody is truly serious about gun violence, that's where you start. Sadly it doesn't move the needle in one direction or the other. But a life taken is a life taken, and gun violence is gun violence
Thanks, Neil Degrasse Tyson. It doesn’t reduce the tragedy. It doesn’t save a single life but we willfully ignore dozens of deaths a day unless we can build a narrative around it. And the numbers are relatively minute. Of course that doesn’t mean nothing should be done about it. But so far our plan of yelling at one another and pointing fingers hasn’t helped much. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 12, 2019 9:12:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that's all the people from after we decided "well if dead 7 year olds won't change anything nothing will" |
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