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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 18, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -5
I feel that was moreso how they were booked. The idea of an evil millionaire leading a heel stable isn't bad on paper, but it was moreso the execution of it. They were just a bunch of mismatch randos(Sid, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, IRS, Tatanka, etc) that didn't have a common agenda, weren't seen as a threat, nor did they win any championships. The only thing that linked them together was that they were managed by Dibiase. Maybe if they took part in group beatdowns and given a corporate makeover to fit with the theme of the stable and had a common goal, it could've worked. It was WWF's first attempt at a stable(i'm not counting manager-centric ones) and it showed. Maybe I should watch some stuff from 1995, but were there any bits with Ted DiBiase cutting a promo, whether it was backstage or in the ring and had the Million Dollar Corporation accompanying him like they were his bodyguards or anything like that? I know I've seen them all at once. They even tagged with each other. Problem is, they were just....there.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 18, 2020 12:49:19 GMT -5
What about Jimmy Hart managing Jerry Flynn in his WCW version of The First Family? It's pretty odd to have a "jobber to the stars" as a part of your heel stable. One that Jimmy had been feuding with only a few weeks prior, no less. Humperdink had no business with Bam Bam. They should have had Bam Bam as a heel, which was always his best role, and had The Brain, Jimmy Hart, or even Fuji manage him. The brief period where Extreme Expose accompanied The Miz. His promos trying to declare himself a heartthrob felt pretty awkward and he seemed less than enthused. He probably just wasn’t ready for a big singles push yet, so it’s a good thing he teamed with Morrison and built himself up more to be ready fir when he got another crack at solo stardom. And the girls really did not act all that enthused with it either.
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Post by SirLucas on Nov 18, 2020 17:30:58 GMT -5
Shawn and Jose Lothario. I get the history and connection, but Shawn coming out doing his whole shtick and Jose walking behind him all old and such. Just looks kinda cringey and shit. They were going for the Rocky/Mickey dynamic.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 18, 2020 17:34:12 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart together were just totally odd. He'd sent monsters like Earthquake and others after him, and cheated like hell with the Nasty Boys, but one night he just felt more sympathy for Beefcake than usual. And bam, just like that he's Hogan's hypeman, even though it's Hulk freaking Hogan and he doesn't need assistance making himself the center of attention.
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Post by bog on Nov 18, 2020 17:52:48 GMT -5
Hayes and the Hardys was always weird to me. Maybe they got a bit of a rub from older fans for it, but overall just weird
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Post by XIII on Nov 18, 2020 17:55:59 GMT -5
Hayes and the Hardys was always weird to me. Maybe they got a bit of a rub from older fans for it, but overall just weird PS in the rashguard and Jncos was some funny shit.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 18, 2020 20:16:24 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart together were just totally odd. He'd sent monsters like Earthquake and others after him, and cheated like hell with the Nasty Boys, but one night he just felt more sympathy for Beefcake than usual. And bam, just like that he's Hogan's hypeman, even though it's Hulk freaking Hogan and he doesn't need assistance making himself the center of attention. Jimmy Hart dosen't make sense as a face manager in general, the character is designed to be obnoxious. I get that him and Hogan are close friends IRL, but on screen their characters do not mesh.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 19, 2020 10:48:28 GMT -5
Short lived, but O'Haire and Piper. Also, Backlund and Darren Young, also short-lived. The latter pairing might have been based on a real life friendship/connection, though.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 19, 2020 14:41:07 GMT -5
Short lived, but O'Haire and Piper. Also, Backlund and Darren Young, also short-lived. The latter pairing might have been based on a real life friendship/connection, though. As ridiculous as the "Make Darren Young Great Again" segments were, they actually could've helped him launch a solo career, and the fans were behind him for all but two weeks. After winning a battle royal by accident, he earned an IC title shot against The Miz at the following PPV only to end in a no-contest. That's when it went all downhill for Young as afterwards, as he not only didn't continue to go after The Miz and IC championship, he took a step BACKWARDS and feuded with his former tag partner Titus O'neil that pretty much went nowhere. He then fizzled down the card, and injured his arm while teaming with Sin Cara against The Shining Stars in January 2017, only to be taken off TV and released that October. So i'd say it was more of a missed opportunity to make a star the fans can get behind(which is typical modern WWE booking) than a mismatched manager/wrestler pairing
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 19, 2020 14:52:49 GMT -5
I thought it was mismatched because Backlund was just so cartoony with his suspenders and bizarre vocal delivery that it didn't really lend itself well to helping establish Darren Young, but we never got much chance to see the act working matches, so maybe it would have worked out as a pairing. I still think it was an odd pairing.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 19, 2020 16:13:08 GMT -5
Why would proud Mexican Alberto Del Rio work with known racist Uncle Zeb? Trying not to get into politics, immigrants being against other minorities, or even their own origin is sadly something that happens.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 19, 2020 16:29:10 GMT -5
Why would proud Mexican Alberto Del Rio work with known racist Uncle Zeb? Trying not to get into politics, immigrants being against other minorities, or even their own origin is sadly something that happens. That is true. It was still weird as hell considering Alberto bore the brunt of Zeb's racism himself.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 19, 2020 18:18:00 GMT -5
Short lived, but O'Haire and Piper. Also, Backlund and Darren Young, also short-lived. The latter pairing might have been based on a real life friendship/connection, though. As ridiculous as the "Make Darren Young Great Again" segments were, they actually could've helped him launch a solo career, and the fans were behind him for all but two weeks. After winning a battle royal by accident, he earned an IC title shot against The Miz at the following PPV only to end in a no-contest. That's when it went all downhill for Young as afterwards, as he not only didn't continue to go after The Miz and IC championship, he took a step BACKWARDS and feuded with his former tag partner Titus O'neil that pretty much went nowhere. He then fizzled down the card, and injured his arm while teaming with Sin Cara against The Shining Stars in January 2017, only to be taken off TV and released that October. So i'd say it was more of a missed opportunity to make a star the fans can get behind(which is typical modern WWE booking) than a mismatched manager/wrestler pairing Yeah the Darren Young/Backlund thing could have worked and was getting over, the fans wanted to get behind it, but WWE didn't know what to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 18:30:08 GMT -5
ECW had a lot. In the later years there were a few wrestlers who had managers/entourages that were pointless and didn't really add nothing to the act.
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Post by moonpies88 on Nov 19, 2020 18:39:12 GMT -5
Mr Fuji leaving tag champs Demolition to manage Powers of Pain who he then sold a little over a year later
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 19, 2020 19:06:24 GMT -5
As ridiculous as the "Make Darren Young Great Again" segments were, they actually could've helped him launch a solo career, and the fans were behind him for all but two weeks. After winning a battle royal by accident, he earned an IC title shot against The Miz at the following PPV only to end in a no-contest. That's when it went all downhill for Young as afterwards, as he not only didn't continue to go after The Miz and IC championship, he took a step BACKWARDS and feuded with his former tag partner Titus O'neil that pretty much went nowhere. He then fizzled down the card, and injured his arm while teaming with Sin Cara against The Shining Stars in January 2017, only to be taken off TV and released that October. So i'd say it was more of a missed opportunity to make a star the fans can get behind(which is typical modern WWE booking) than a mismatched manager/wrestler pairing Yeah the Darren Young/Backlund thing could have worked and was getting over, the fans wanted to get behind it, but WWE didn't know what to do with it. It would've been pretty simple really. If Young didn't win the IC belt right then and there, have him keep chasing The Miz for the title, and eventually win it by or at Summerslam, Backlund could even be involved in the decision somehow. Miz could then proclaimed that the belt is rightfully his and was cheated out of it. He could even bring up Young's jobbery past and was never great to begin with since he needed Backlund's help to become champion and that if he was as "great" as Backlund says he is, he'd beat him on his own, naturally setting up a rematch at Clash of The Champions. At Clash of The Champions, The Miz and Young are in a very competitive match with Miz mostly getting the upperhand, but Young showing signs of offense and perseverance. After about 15 minutes, Young wins the match either by rollup when Miz is being cocky and has his back turned or through an out of nowhere inside cradle. The crowd pops huge and it solidifies Young's place as someone who started from the bottom and now is accepted as an upper midcarder. By then, he can overcome a slew of challengers, and either during or after he loses the belt (lets say between Survivor Series to TLC) he can turn on his mentor and become a cocky heel who cheats to win a match. Right there you take an angle that was absurd from the very beginning(because when was Darren Young ever great?), give him a rub from a legend, and turn it into something resembling gold. I doubt he would've been a main event stay, but there's nothing wrong with being a solid midcard hand. It basically writes itself.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 20, 2020 6:23:08 GMT -5
Mr Fuji leaving tag champs Demolition to manage Powers of Pain who he then sold a little over a year later He was the worst businessman. Managed the tag champs... left them during their reign for a team that could never beat them. But at least they were fighting the champs a lot. So he split the team, sold their contracts to buy the Orient Express... Who I'm not sure ever earned a title shot.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Nov 20, 2020 7:39:41 GMT -5
Shawn and Jose Lothario. I get the history and connection, but Shawn coming out doing his whole shtick and Jose walking behind him all old and such. Just looks kinda cringey and shit. They were going for the Rocky/Mickey dynamic. Except Rocky was a loveable rogue. Shawn Michaels just came off as an arrogant prick.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Nov 20, 2020 8:51:48 GMT -5
Personally, Missing Link with anybody besides Skandor Akbar was just not right to me.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 20, 2020 9:11:39 GMT -5
Mr Fuji leaving tag champs Demolition to manage Powers of Pain who he then sold a little over a year later He was the worst businessman. Managed the tag champs... left them during their reign for a team that could never beat them. But at least they were fighting the champs a lot. So he split the team, sold their contracts to buy the Orient Express... Who I'm not sure ever earned a title shot. Not to mention he had his exhausted 500 pound client(Yokozuna) challenge Hulk Hogan immediately after winning the WWF championship. I don't think it surprised anyone he lost two minutes later.
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