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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 2:15:24 GMT -5
I was a big fan of the guy for years, thought with some retooling he could have been world champion. Then he cut his hair and everyone stopped caring.
This is why I stay off Twitter. I might have enjoyed the persons career but in real life they are complete ass.
I had no idea Nyla Rose was trans till this week and to be honest I thought Sonny Kiss was based on misunderstanding the announcers during the Black Jack battle royal. Really it makes no difference.
That’s what’s great about wrestling you can come from any walk of life, background and all that really matters is what you do in the ring.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 18, 2020 3:03:32 GMT -5
I have NO PROBLEM against trans people. Life is to short, do what makes you happy and be whomever you want to be. I do agree with Val on some of the things he mentioned. AEW's roster is so small anyways, not only is Rose the biggest female wrestler, but chances are shes also one of the heavier talents ( male or female) overall as well. Mel is billed as taller, Awesome Kong is likely heavier in a non keyfabe sense. She's not stiff, sloppy, her opponents aren't expected to deadlift her any more than those wrestling big men are, so her size is meaningless in anything but a storytelling sense. I'd say Mel is probably taller, yeah, given she's taller than Kong, and Kong's overall bigger than Nyla.
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Post by malloc on Feb 18, 2020 3:06:26 GMT -5
Its wrestling so whatever, however I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and find that Anthony Joshua was now identifying as a woman and wanted to fight Katy Taylor. That's not how any of this works, and to even bring that up as even mildly a possibility, even in jest, is transphobic. I have NO PROBLEM against trans people. Life is to short, do what makes you happy and be whomever you want to be. I do agree with Val on some of the things he mentioned. AEW's roster is so small anyways, not only is Rose the biggest female wrestler, but chances are shes also one of the heavier talents ( male or female) overall as well. What? No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 18, 2020 6:31:53 GMT -5
That's not how any of this works, and to even bring that up as even mildly a possibility, even in jest, is transphobic. What? No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. ... wrestling's fake.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 18, 2020 6:39:17 GMT -5
"4tb of transporn" is the new "Hulk Hogan was just pretending to be racist to impress that lady with pillow talk" of galaxy brained statements in touchy topics that have absolutely slaughtered me, my cattle, and my family.
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 18, 2020 6:44:31 GMT -5
I feel like this specific form of mental illness is a result of PTSD from when Kaientai tried to (and maybe succeeded) in "choppy choppy'ing his pee pee..." so now he tries to compensate his lack of manhood by taking on the most garbage toxic masculinity driven views possible and using that in place of a personality, er, pee pee in this case.
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Post by Fundertaker on Feb 18, 2020 6:48:55 GMT -5
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by auph10imitated on Feb 18, 2020 7:02:53 GMT -5
I had absolutely no idea Nyla Rose was transsexual
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Post by malloc on Feb 18, 2020 8:22:48 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. ... wrestling's fake. Pretty sure I said that.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 18, 2020 11:25:53 GMT -5
Pretty simple for me. Wrestling is predetermined. WWE had Santina Marela and Harvina Whippleman in the woman's division and that was far more insulting to the integrity to the championship than Nyla. Nyla is much better than those two and treated as a threat. This is Val using Nyla's transsexuality to throw a hissy fit on twitter for attention. Nyla is who she is and that's nobody's business but hers.
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Post by cassonova on Feb 18, 2020 11:29:05 GMT -5
I asked what his thoughts were about Hervina taking a hard earned spot...no response.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 18, 2020 11:29:11 GMT -5
Val has been on the crazy train for awhile now long before even this. You'd think he was an extreme (classification of a banned FAN topic)ist or at least the stereotype thereof, but no. He'll go after both sides with his rhetoric.
And, well, the pot thing.
And sadly this isn't the first time I've seen that the wrestling bunch isn't exactly modern as far as attitudes in this subject go. Do you know of Melissa Coates? Someone had a(n indirect) go at her on Twitter by making implications, boiling down to using the T-word.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 18, 2020 11:39:38 GMT -5
I'm somewhat confused as to what the point of this thread is. There's no debate about the actual subject (that Val Venis is in the wrong) or the idea that Nyla shouldn't wrestle against women... so what are we doing here?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 18, 2020 12:05:31 GMT -5
I'm somewhat confused as to what the point of this thread is. There's no debate about the actual subject (that Val Venis is in the wrong) or the idea that Nyla shouldn't wrestle against women... so what are we doing here? Waiting for someone to say something stupid and rag on Val Venis
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2020 12:39:58 GMT -5
"4tb of transporn" is the new "Hulk Hogan was just pretending to be racist to impress that lady with pillow talk" of galaxy brained statements in touchy topics that have absolutely slaughtered me, my cattle, and my family. Wouldn't have happened if you'd have spliced your cattle and your family together to create a new race of bovine people. (Sometimes I just want to say weird shit and not have it taken deadly seriously.)
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Post by salz4life on Feb 18, 2020 12:40:23 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. ... wrestling's fake. I read this in Kevin Nash's voice. #LAPSED
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Post by salz4life on Feb 18, 2020 12:42:51 GMT -5
If kayfabe existed, I could see this possibly being an issue (emphasis on possibly). Kayfabe is dead. This is predetermined entertainment. I have no problem with Nyla Rose and have actually enjoyed her progressing since the beginning of AEW.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 18, 2020 13:11:51 GMT -5
That's not how any of this works, and to even bring that up as even mildly a possibility, even in jest, is transphobic. What? No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. Right. Hi, married to a trans woman here. Have a lot of friends online who are high profile trans voices, including notable trans woman athlete Rachel McKinnon. Basically, I know a lot about this subject. Trans women in sports have no advantage. The olympic standard for accepting trans women in sport is to be 2 years post reassignment surgery, which the actual doctors and hormone experts they consulted determined is long enough for testosterone advantages to be cleared away by changes in the human body. Bone structures change, muscle mass is lost, your stamina goes through the floor because unlike cis women you have zero testosterone, hell my wife's hands and feet actually shrunk a size. Trans women in sports is distinctly nothing like the crap that transphobes think it is.
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Post by malloc on Feb 18, 2020 13:41:04 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. Right. Hi, married to a trans woman here. Have a lot of friends online who are high profile trans voices, including notable trans woman athlete Rachel McKinnon. Basically, I know a lot about this subject. Trans women in sports have no advantage. The olympic standard for accepting trans women in sport is to be 2 years post reassignment surgery, which the actual doctors and hormone experts they consulted determined is long enough for testosterone advantages to be cleared away by changes in the human body. Bone structures change, muscle mass is lost, your stamina goes through the floor because unlike cis women you have zero testosterone, hell my wife's hands and feet actually shrunk a size. Trans women in sports is distinctly nothing like the crap that transphobes think it is. Cool, the more you know.... I did not know about the two year minimum for the Olympics.
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Post by malloc on Feb 18, 2020 13:44:51 GMT -5
I'm somewhat confused as to what the point of this thread is. There's no debate about the actual subject (that Val Venis is in the wrong) or the idea that Nyla shouldn't wrestle against women... so what are we doing here? Yeah my post made it switch tracks, which wasnt the intention.
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