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Post by hbkid718 on Feb 18, 2020 13:48:13 GMT -5
I unfollowed Venis a long time ago after reading his 9/11 conspiracy crap.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 18, 2020 13:59:49 GMT -5
"4tb of transporn" is the new "Hulk Hogan was just pretending to be racist to impress that lady with pillow talk" of galaxy brained statements in touchy topics that have absolutely slaughtered me, my cattle, and my family. Wouldn't have happened if you'd have spliced your cattle and your family together to create a new race of bovine people. (Sometimes I just want to say weird shit and not have it taken deadly seriously.) ... Can we still eat the cattle-people?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 18, 2020 14:00:40 GMT -5
I read this in Kevin Nash's voice. #LAPSED I was going for Vegeta in that one episode of Dragon ball abridged but yeah this works too lol
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Feb 18, 2020 14:03:01 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. Right. Hi, married to a trans woman here. Have a lot of friends online who are high profile trans voices, including notable trans woman athlete Rachel McKinnon. Basically, I know a lot about this subject. Trans women in sports have no advantage. The olympic standard for accepting trans women in sport is to be 2 years post reassignment surgery, which the actual doctors and hormone experts they consulted determined is long enough for testosterone advantages to be cleared away by changes in the human body. Bone structures change, muscle mass is lost, your stamina goes through the floor because unlike cis women you have zero testosterone, hell my wife's hands and feet actually shrunk a size. Trans women in sports is distinctly nothing like the crap that transphobes think it is. Posts rooted in reality wow I missed you
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2020 14:03:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't have happened if you'd have spliced your cattle and your family together to create a new race of bovine people. (Sometimes I just want to say weird shit and not have it taken deadly seriously.) ... Can we still eat the cattle-people? That depends on your definition of "eat". And their definition of "consent".
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Post by Venti on Feb 18, 2020 14:29:24 GMT -5
I read this in Kevin Nash's voice. #LAPSED I was going for Vegeta in that one episode of Dragon ball abridged but yeah this works too lol Now hit MY music! *theme from GT plays* But anyway, I'm glad I was never a big Val fan so this doesn't affect me other than I think he's a total dick.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 18, 2020 14:37:47 GMT -5
Mel is billed as taller, Awesome Kong is likely heavier in a non keyfabe sense. She's not stiff, sloppy, her opponents aren't expected to deadlift her any more than those wrestling big men are, so her size is meaningless in anything but a storytelling sense. I'd say Mel is probably taller, yeah, given she's taller than Kong, and Kong's overall bigger than Nyla. Nyla's only billed as 5'7" @ 185 lbs, yeah. Kong and Nia Jax are both way bigger than her, and they're cisgender women.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 18, 2020 15:35:04 GMT -5
That's not how any of this works, and to even bring that up as even mildly a possibility, even in jest, is transphobic. What? No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. You said "I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and find that Anthony Joshua was now identifying as a woman and wanted to fight Katy Taylor." As another poster pointed out, under the regulations where trans-athletes compete, they have no "significant physical advantage." What's transphobic about your post is the insinuation a fighter could csuddenly ompete in another gender's division based on just what they say they identify as. It's not Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. Like I said, even in jest it implies trans athletes are trying to get one over on cis athletes and enforces the stereotype of trans people as sneaky tricksters.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 18, 2020 15:40:52 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. Right. Hi, married to a trans woman here. Have a lot of friends online who are high profile trans voices, including notable trans woman athlete Rachel McKinnon. Basically, I know a lot about this subject. Trans women in sports have no advantage. The olympic standard for accepting trans women in sport is to be 2 years post reassignment surgery, which the actual doctors and hormone experts they consulted determined is long enough for testosterone advantages to be cleared away by changes in the human body. Bone structures change, muscle mass is lost, your stamina goes through the floor because unlike cis women you have zero testosterone, hell my wife's hands and feet actually shrunk a size. Trans women in sports is distinctly nothing like the crap that transphobes think it is. That's not actually the case and hasn't been for a while. Olympic rules since 2015 are that any MTF athlete looking to compete is required to prove that their testosterone level has been below a certain point for at least 12 months. No reassignment surgery is necessary. This is a good (and to my mind, balanced) discussion on the current state of play in the debate, which is interesting even if it has nothing to do with Val Venis - sportsscientists.com/2019/03/on-transgender-athletes-and-performance-advantages/
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Post by thegame415 on Feb 18, 2020 15:50:19 GMT -5
This is a guy who stole other wrestlers wives. What would you expect from him?
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 18, 2020 17:50:06 GMT -5
Now?!
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 18, 2020 18:01:34 GMT -5
No, it is not. There is a debate about fairness in real sport regarding transpeople. Wrestling is wrestling it can do what it wants as long as people work safely. Boxing has Weight division and a skillful boxer can beat an brawler with power so the example put forward was a bit exaggerated. However just saying "you have to accept this now because I belive it to be true" is ridiculous. I can still be friends with transpeople, go to parties with transpeople, sleep with transpeople have 4tb of transporn on my external hard drive an still ponder whether it's fair for male to female trans people with a significant physical advantage to compete in female only categories. You are expecting the world to change with a click of a finger. Right. Hi, married to a trans woman here. Have a lot of friends online who are high profile trans voices, including notable trans woman athlete Rachel McKinnon. Basically, I know a lot about this subject. Trans women in sports have no advantage. The olympic standard for accepting trans women in sport is to be 2 years post reassignment surgery, which the actual doctors and hormone experts they consulted determined is long enough for testosterone advantages to be cleared away by changes in the human body. Bone structures change, muscle mass is lost, your stamina goes through the floor because unlike cis women you have zero testosterone, hell my wife's hands and feet actually shrunk a size. Trans women in sports is distinctly nothing like the crap that transphobes think it is. Honestly just wanted to say thanks for this post. It pointed out information I legit had no clue about. I will admit that through ignorance I have held opinions similar to the one you are refuting above in the past. But I appreciate being educated on the subject.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 18, 2020 18:11:18 GMT -5
What's the current olympic standard? Do they allow trans women to compete in women's sports, or no? Yes, and have done since 2004, although their standards of entry have shifted a few times since then. Despite this, there has not yet been a trans athlete competing at the Olympics, which kind of shows how ridiculous this idea of an innate advantage is.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 18, 2020 20:12:28 GMT -5
What's the current olympic standard? Do they allow trans women to compete in women's sports, or no? Yes, and have done since 2004, although their standards of entry have shifted a few times since then. Despite this, there has not yet been a trans athlete competing at the Olympics, which kind of shows how ridiculous this idea of an innate advantage is. Not really. Evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence and all that. Putting aside the other reasons a trans athlete might not end up at the Olympics (discrimination, fear of the attention/abuse that would follow, not wanting to meet the IOCs requirements), there's also the fact that you'd still have to have been a really good male athlete before transitioning to be able to compete with the best women athletes. Add all that together and it's not that surprising that it hasn't happened. I guess it does prove that the worst arguments put forward by people like Val Venis - that virtually any man could transition and start dominating - are nonsense. But it really doesn't get you any closer to finding out whether trans female athletes have an inherent advantage over cis women, in a world where every single % is enormous.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 18, 2020 20:13:38 GMT -5
I unfollowed Venis a long time ago after reading his 9/11 conspiracy crap. Dear lord, he's one of THOSE people too?
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 18, 2020 21:55:37 GMT -5
I unfollowed Venis a long time ago after reading his 9/11 conspiracy crap. Never heard his take, but it couldn't possibly be crazier than Brian Kendrick claiming the towers were holograms.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 18, 2020 22:14:48 GMT -5
I for one was shocked he would say transphobic bullshit. Oh wait.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 19, 2020 6:43:36 GMT -5
I unfollowed Venis a long time ago after reading his 9/11 conspiracy crap. Never heard his take, but it couldn't possibly be crazier than Brian Kendrick claiming the towers were holograms. Only time I've ever seen him mention 9/11 he used the "sheeple" hashtag, which immediately gave away the fact he had nothing of value to say.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 19, 2020 7:44:42 GMT -5
He's extremely nonconformist about everything from what I can see, people like that can be interesting at times.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 19, 2020 7:59:27 GMT -5
In 1998 I had to suspend Val Venis’ WWF account on AOL for using gay slurs in the WWF chat room in regards to people not backing his 3rd party candidate
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