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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:30:51 GMT -5
So, there was a pretty interesting thread here a long time ago that I wish I could find. Basically, it was asking for examples of characters played by the same person who in kayfabe were actually considered the same person/two different people.
For example....
/KAYFABE ON
Were Krusher Kruschev, Smash and Repo Man the same guy wrestling in a different costume? Or were they three different guys?
Were Papa Shango, Kama and Godfather the same guy?
Were Isaac Yankem and Kane the same guy?
/KAYFABE OFF
I'm watching random shows on WWE network while working on a blog, keeping a diary of sorts for each wrestler tracking their wins/losses and significant events. I'm undecided on whether I should acknowledge Kruschev, Smash and Repo Man as the same wrestler or write them as if they are distinct people.
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Post by cjh on Jun 11, 2020 19:35:05 GMT -5
Kama the Nation member and The Godfather overlapped. He had The Godfather look and persona before the name change.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 11, 2020 19:35:46 GMT -5
Kruschev, Smash and Repo Man were not the same guy
Papa Shango was not the same guy as Kama and Godfather, who were the same guy
Yankem and Kane were not the same guy.
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Post by XIII on Jun 11, 2020 19:37:02 GMT -5
Kruschev, Smash, and Repo Man are three different characters......but Smash and Hole in One Darsow are of the same lineage.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 11, 2020 19:37:30 GMT -5
The only two in there with any acknowledged kayfabe link would be Kama and The Godfather, given his transition from one to the other was gradual and commentary never tried to pretend The Godfather was a brand new character making his debut.
EDIT: Got beat to the punch by several people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:40:47 GMT -5
Kruschev, Smash, and Repo Man are three different characters......but Smash and Hole in One Darsow are of the same lineage. Same lineage? Weren't Crusher Darsaw and Krusher Kruschev considered the same character? Wouldn't that make Hole in One Darsow and Kruschev the same guy? Why would Smash and Hole In One be the same guy and not Kruschev? |
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Post by XIII on Jun 11, 2020 19:49:33 GMT -5
Kruschev, Smash, and Repo Man are three different characters......but Smash and Hole in One Darsow are of the same lineage. Same lineage? Weren't Crusher Darsaw and Krusher Kruschev considered the same character? Wouldn't that make Hole in One Darsow and Kruschev the same guy? Why would Smash and Hole In One be the same guy and not Kruschev? Was joking. Honestly, if there’s any question I’d just classify everyone as a different character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:52:30 GMT -5
Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine, Kama Mustafa and The Godfather were the same guy as they were all evolution and progression of the same character.
Papa Shango however was not considered to be the same guy as The Godfather and Kama in kayfabe.
DDS and Kane were also different people in kayfabe.
Repo Man to my knowledge was not a progression of the Smash character.
Now that's that's cleared up, I will give a few more examples off the top of my head...
1. Fatu in The Headshrinkers, "Make a Difference" Fatu and Rikishi were all considered the same guy. However The Sultan was not.
2. Typhoon was a progression of Tugboat. He joined forces with Earthquake as Tugboat and he changed his name to "Typhoon" as they were "The Natural Disasters"
3. Sparky Plugg progressed into Hardcore Holly.
Billy Gunn from The Smoking Gunns progressed into Rockabilly who then progressed into Badass Billy Gunn, Mr. Ass, The One, Billy from Billy & Chuck etc.
123 Kid and X-Pac were all known to be the same guy.
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Post by cjh on Jun 11, 2020 19:55:54 GMT -5
Kruschev, Smash, and Repo Man are three different characters......but Smash and Hole in One Darsow are of the same lineage. Same lineage? Weren't Crusher Darsaw and Krusher Kruschev considered the same character? Wouldn't that make Hole in One Darsow and Kruschev the same guy? Why would Smash and Hole In One be the same guy and not Kruschev? In 1999, WCW did a short lived angle with Darsow where he appeared as KK. www.ddtdigest.com/updates/pictures/1999093s002.jpg |
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Post by Andee9001 on Jun 11, 2020 20:13:12 GMT -5
Were Issac Yankem and Fake Diesal the same person?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 20:18:08 GMT -5
Were Issac Yankem and Fake Diesal the same person? This is an extremely vague memory but didn't someone on one of the shows joke about the fake Diesel having been a dentist? |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 11, 2020 20:27:45 GMT -5
Were Issac Yankem and Fake Diesal the same person? This is an extremely vague memory but didn't someone on one of the shows joke about the fake Diesel having been a dentist? There was a Sunday Night Heat where Isaac Yankem got brought up and Josh pointed out the resemblence to Kane, and he got reamed backstage for it, and some airings of the show had the line muted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 20:34:31 GMT -5
Blacktop Bully... same guy as Kruschev/Hole-In-One?
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Post by fg on Jun 11, 2020 20:38:08 GMT -5
I seem to remember during the 15th Anniversary episode of Raw, Repo comes out and JR mentions that he is a former tag champion. I guess he kinda implied that he was a member of Demolition.
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Post by petef3 on Jun 11, 2020 21:37:13 GMT -5
I seem to remember during the 15th Anniversary episode of Raw, Repo comes out and JR mentions that he is a former tag champion. I guess he kinda implied that he was a member of Demolition. Eh...combination of being too after-the-fact to matter and JR doing JR things. Speaking of...IRS is sort of an interesting example--was he Mike Rotundo or not? At King of the Ring '93 Ross says that IRS has been tag champion with "3 different partners on 4 different occasions"--which is actually only 2 partners, but was a clear unspoken assumption that IRS and Rotunda were the same person. Then there's Vince's "Mr. Rotunda...?" blunder on Raw, which IRS didn't acknowledge, but...it happened. Despite all that I lean towards them being different people. Crush, as I mentioned a few weeks ago, is another is-he-or-isn't-he example. Outside of one mention by Johnny Polo on Coliseum Video--another instance of being after-the-fact and nobody really paying attention to him--it was never said that Kona Crush was the same person as Demolition Crush...yet, they never quite said it was somebody brand-new, either. I learn towards all the Crushes being the same person, though Facepaint Crush and Jailbird Crush are obviously overtly the same. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 11, 2020 21:49:17 GMT -5
Weren't Crusher Darsaw and Krusher Kruschev considered the same character? Wouldn't that make Hole in One Darsow and Kruschev the same guy? Why would Smash and Hole In One be the same guy and not Kruschev? Crusher Darsow and Krusher Krushev = same character. He was just a regular American heel as Crusher Darsow, joined up with the Russians and announced he was renouncing his American name and took on the Krushev moniker. |
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jun 11, 2020 22:51:47 GMT -5
Crusher Darsow, Krusher Krushchev, Blacktop Bully, Hole in One can be the same person. He had an amnesia angle in WCW 1999 where he portrayed some of his old gimmicks. Smash and Repo Man are not part of this lineage.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 12, 2020 0:17:50 GMT -5
For some of these, it really changed depending on the commentator. Zebikaiah and Zeb Colter were the same person if Lawler was on color, but if it was Bradshaw (who, as we know, was managed by Zeb) would elude to them being different people by saying Zeb "Reminded him of an uncle he once had." Have K-Kwik and R-Truth been acknowledged (outside of Table For 3) as the same person? Crusher Darsow, Krusher Krushchev, Blacktop Bully, Hole in One can be the same person. He had an amnesia angle in WCW 1999 where he portrayed some of his old gimmicks. Smash and Repo Man are not part of this lineage. Good memory! Forgot all about this. While we're on the subject of this era WCW, I know Alex Wright and Berlyn were the same character and Buzzkill/Brad Armstrong were the same character as we were in that semi-meta point where it was referred to and the change was explained - but was there any rhyme or reason ro Scotty Riggs showing up carrying the small hand-held mirror with a narcissism gimmick a year after being kicked out of The Flock? |
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Jun 12, 2020 0:19:18 GMT -5
Were Baron Beefcake, Big Brother Booty, The Booty Man, Brother Bruti, Brute Force, Brutus Beefcake, The Butcher, The Clipmaster, The Disciple , Dizzy Golden, Dizzy Hogan, Ed Boulder, Eddie Golden, Eddie Hogan, The Mariner, The Man With No Face, The Man With No Name, and The Zodiac the same character?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 12, 2020 0:47:09 GMT -5
Were Baron Beefcake, Big Brother Booty, The Booty Man, Brother Bruti, Brute Force, Brutus Beefcake, The Butcher, The Clipmaster, The Disciple , Dizzy Golden, Dizzy Hogan, Ed Boulder, Eddie Golden, Eddie Hogan, The Mariner, The Man With No Face, The Man With No Name, and The Zodiac the same character? Baron Beefcake doesn't exist and never did. That was added to his online aliases as a joke by someone and never got corrected. I have yet to see any proof he was ever referred to as "The Man with No Face" The "Mariner" is the only one that wasn't ever canonically Beefcake. (Also, while that gimmick happened, it never had an official name - people call it Mariner now out of some supposed connection/resemblance to Waterworld, even though that film didn't come out until four years after the gimmick) All the Dizzy and Ed/Eddies are the same guy. Beefcake and his succession of gimmicks (Bruti, Clipmaster, Butcher, Man with no Name, Zodiac, Booty Man, Discple, Brute Force) are all the same guy. I'm not sure if they ever canonized the Dizzy/Eddie stuff back into his "lore" during his WCW days but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't at least mention his time running with Hogan prior to the Beefcake run. |
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