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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 11:48:19 GMT -5
This has motivated me to form Beaman's Seamen. Who's in?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:09:37 GMT -5
Here we go again with the WWE brain rot. Whenever AEW does something in a different way from how WWE has done something for the past 20 years, whether it's having multiple stables or the way they pace their feuds, then it's automatically wrong in the eyes of some people. I don't think its that. I follow Impact, MLW, ROH as well as WWE. I just don't think the stables are used all that great. Most shows have multiple segments with groups of guys just standing around. I know they only have two hours for Dynamite but time isn't an issue as they currently use four hours for mostly squash matches. That might have been one of the best episodes of Dynamite in the shows entire history, its a oddity of a tv show, as so much happens but it feels nothing happens at all at the same time. I'm not asking for endless rematches, but sometimes pace is so slow it losing some of the heat towards the match and feels either repetitive (interview with STINGGGGGGG) or forgetful.
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Post by markymark on Apr 1, 2021 12:21:19 GMT -5
Here we go again with the WWE brain rot. Whenever AEW does something in a different way from how WWE has done something for the past 20 years, whether it's having multiple stables or the way they pace their feuds, then it's automatically wrong in the eyes of some people. I don't think its that. I follow Impact, MLW, ROH as well as WWE. I just don't think the stables are used all that great. Most shows have multiple segments with groups of guys just standing around. I know they only have two hours for Dynamite but time isn't an issue as they currently use four hours for mostly squash matches. That might have been one of the best episodes of Dynamite in the shows entire history, its a oddity of a tv show, as so much happens but it feels nothing happens at all at the same time. I'm not asking for endless rematches, but sometimes pace is so slow it losing some of the heat towards the match and feels either repetitive (interview with STINGGGGGGG) or forgetful. Did Sting even appear last night? Feel like it was the first time ever he didnt show up
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 1, 2021 12:21:42 GMT -5
I don't think its that. I follow Impact, MLW, ROH as well as WWE. I just don't think the stables are used all that great. Most shows have multiple segments with groups of guys just standing around. I know they only have two hours for Dynamite but time isn't an issue as they currently use four hours for mostly squash matches. That might have been one of the best episodes of Dynamite in the shows entire history, its a oddity of a tv show, as so much happens but it feels nothing happens at all at the same time. I'm not asking for endless rematches, but sometimes pace is so slow it losing some of the heat towards the match and feels either repetitive (interview with STINGGGGGGG) or forgetful. Did Sting even appear last night? Feel like it was the first time ever he didnt show up He was in Darby's video promo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:31:08 GMT -5
Here we go again with the WWE brain rot. Whenever AEW does something in a different way from how WWE has done something for the past 20 years, whether it's having multiple stables or the way they pace their feuds, then it's automatically wrong in the eyes of some people. I don't think its that. I follow Impact, MLW, ROH as well as WWE. I just don't think the stables are used all that great. Most shows have multiple segments with groups of guys just standing around. I know they only have two hours for Dynamite but time isn't an issue as they currently use four hours for mostly squash matches. That might have been one of the best episodes of Dynamite in the shows entire history, its a oddity of a tv show, as so much happens but it feels nothing happens at all at the same time. I'm not asking for endless rematches, but sometimes pace is so slow it losing some of the heat towards the match and feels either repetitive (interview with STINGGGGGGG) or forgetful. Maybe not WWE brain rot, but definitely a preference toward WWE's product. WWE started doing the "crashTV" thing in the 90s, and they haven't really moved away from it. Storylines in WWE move at a blistering pace. In WWE, Jericho and MJF would already be 3 time tag team champions, faced on PPV as rivals twice, and then reunited as friends by now. As compared to WWE, AEW definitely does pace itself slowly. It's truly a subjective thing, so I am definitely not saying your perception is incorrect. But I do think that WWE has influenced people's opinion on what "normal" wrestling pacing is.
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Post by eJm on Apr 1, 2021 12:57:06 GMT -5
I don't think its that. I follow Impact, MLW, ROH as well as WWE. I just don't think the stables are used all that great. Most shows have multiple segments with groups of guys just standing around. I know they only have two hours for Dynamite but time isn't an issue as they currently use four hours for mostly squash matches. That might have been one of the best episodes of Dynamite in the shows entire history, its a oddity of a tv show, as so much happens but it feels nothing happens at all at the same time. I'm not asking for endless rematches, but sometimes pace is so slow it losing some of the heat towards the match and feels either repetitive (interview with STINGGGGGGG) or forgetful. Maybe not WWE brain rot, but definitely a preference toward WWE's product. WWE started doing the "crashTV" thing in the 90s, and they haven't really moved away from it. Storylines in WWE move at a blistering pace. In WWE, Jericho and MJF would already be 3 time tag team champions, faced on PPV as rivals twice, and then reunited as friends by now. As compared to WWE, AEW definitely does pace itself slowly. It's truly a subjective thing, so I am definitely not saying your perception is incorrect. But I do think that WWE has influenced people's opinion on what "normal" wrestling pacing is. And it’s not like this sort of thing doesn’t happen across all mediums. If a company not Disney tries a new movie franchise, they’ll be compared to Marvel, being the top dog in blockbusters right now. If a company not Google tried to make a new YouTube, it’ll be right away compared to YouTube because it has the market share on readily accessible video distribution. Any new box store will get compared to Walmart/Tesco/SuperValu because they have the market shares of their respective countries or brands. It’s why people have a problem with monopolies, it makes it harder for someone new to step into the market if you have had the full market for so long and set the standard. Like, I have no judgement on my end, I’ve had to look at this myself, WWE’s been the top promotion and the closest before now was TNA who just copied what WWE did most of the time so a mainstream promotion not doing what we’ve been used to for 18 years will have an effect whether we like to admit it or not.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 1, 2021 13:06:35 GMT -5
More stables baby. I wanna drown in ‘em.
Gimme commentary faction warfare and animal stables too.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2021 13:12:21 GMT -5
I like the amount of stables and partnerships. It also makes the lone wolves like Moxley stand out even more, and even he's got friendships and loose alliances like with Eddie Kingston and apparently now the Bucks.
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 1, 2021 14:11:54 GMT -5
i like the idea of stables because it gives more people something to do, even if it's just "come out with the group and support member X". instead of a 1v1 match you get a half dozen people or so on screen in what would otherwise be a simple singles match.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 1, 2021 14:57:40 GMT -5
Eh, me personally? I love a good stable. I’ve always been partial to having around three or four factions around, at least two heel groups and one key pack of faces. It keeps wrestlers and talent busy, it allows people to play off one another and hone their creative/storytelling skills together, and it also simplifies the writing some.
Every star doesn’t need to be in a group and there are those who mostly work well outside them, but I feel it’s better for a promotion to make sure their talent aren’t locked in their own “bubble universes” of storylines. Factions generally prevent that issue.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 1, 2021 15:02:25 GMT -5
You're in a company with such cold-hearted assassins as Orange Cassidy and -1. Why wouldn't you want backup?
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Post by Dub H on Apr 1, 2021 15:02:32 GMT -5
Maybe not WWE brain rot, but definitely a preference toward WWE's product. WWE started doing the "crashTV" thing in the 90s, and they haven't really moved away from it. Storylines in WWE move at a blistering pace. In WWE, Jericho and MJF would already be 3 time tag team champions, faced on PPV as rivals twice, and then reunited as friends by now. As compared to WWE, AEW definitely does pace itself slowly. It's truly a subjective thing, so I am definitely not saying your perception is incorrect. But I do think that WWE has influenced people's opinion on what "normal" wrestling pacing is. And it’s not like this sort of thing doesn’t happen across all mediums. If a company not Disney tries a new movie franchise, they’ll be compared to Marvel, being the top dog in blockbusters right now. If a company not Google tried to make a new YouTube, it’ll be right away compared to YouTube because it has the market share on readily accessible video distribution. Any new box store will get compared to Walmart/Tesco/SuperValu because they have the market shares of their respective countries or brands. It’s why people have a problem with monopolies, it makes it harder for someone new to step into the market if you have had the full market for so long and set the standard. Like, I have no judgement on my end, I’ve had to look at this myself, WWE’s been the top promotion and the closest before now was TNA who just copied what WWE did most of the time so a mainstream promotion not doing what we’ve been used to for 18 years will have an effect whether we like to admit it or not. Still,people dont go watch a DC movie that is dark and gritty ,to be a fun lighearthed joke like Marvel Well Except Shazam..which is fitting.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 1, 2021 17:01:27 GMT -5
How many members do you need before you go from an alliance or a team to a faction? Do the Best Friends coubt as a faction given that they havbe three main members, plus Kris and Sue?
The growing number of mini factions and alliances doesn't bother me at all, it's getting guys who wouldn't get TV time TV time without getting squashed or being pushed into spots they're not ready for, green guys are getting people around them who can cover their weaknesses, and guys who aren't well known like Hobbs are getting established, working with guys who can improve their work and help give them some legitimacy.
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Post by Viking Hall on Apr 1, 2021 17:29:22 GMT -5
If you think about it, it's technically the norm in wrestling for rosters to be made up of groups of wrestlers. If you were to collate a list of the Top 10 biggest promotions in the world right now, a decent percentage of them work this way, it's just another example of that 'everyone must follow the WWE' mindset that some fans have that's made this happening in AEW an issue.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Apr 1, 2021 17:40:48 GMT -5
I'm OK with it, because it's been done logically. Every stable, for the most part, you can look at them and go, "yeah, that makes sense". Plus, you can feature more people in a single angle and get more guys over. Look at what they have right now:
Nightmare Family (Cody, Dustin, Gunn Club, Lee Johnson and Red Velvet) vs. Marshall Law (QT, Solow, Comoroto and Ogogo)
Dark Order (Uno, Stu, Silver, Reynolds, Five, Ten, Colt, with Hangman and Tay as fringe members) vs. Hardy Family Corporation(or whatever they are lol) (Hardy, Private Party, Butcher, Blade and Bunny)
Inner Circle (Jericho, Sammy, Hager, Santana and Ortiz) vs. Pinnacle (MJF, Wardlow, Tully, Spears and FTR)
Mox and Kingston vs. Kenny and The Good Brothers, which also includes The Young Bucks and Death Triangle (and I suspect we'll see this evolve further on Dynamite)
Those four feuds allow way more people to get involved in storylines. Out of each feud, you can pick out plenty of existing or potential sub-feuds that could feature on a given week. One week, you might focus on QT vs. Dustin, but another, it might be Gunn Club vs. Comoroto and Solow, or QT vs. Johnson, or Cody vs. Ogogo. We already have Five vs. Hardy and Tay vs. Bunny set for next week. Jericho vs. MJF, Proud and Powerful vs. FTR, Hager vs. Wardlow and Sammy vs. Spears are all natural pairings, but you can change it up, do Jericho vs. Dax, or Sammy vs. MJF, as examples.
You get more players to mix and match, creating fresh matches, but still telling one, coherent story.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 1, 2021 18:01:56 GMT -5
My friend said something similar and I could disagree more
First of all stables generally as a rule are just badass....They just are
Logically they all have a reason for being together so there’s that also. It gives multiple people a chance to be on the show together
Plus I want Gang Wars 1997 done again man
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Post by Derk! on Apr 1, 2021 18:34:48 GMT -5
This has motivated me to form Beaman's Seamen. Who's in? "Excalibur, that poor guy in the ring is surrounded by Seam...[BANNED]
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 1, 2021 18:40:56 GMT -5
This has motivated me to form Beaman's Seamen. Who's in? "Excalibur, that poor guy in the ring is surrounded by Seam...[BANNED] “Oh god king, seamen’s pouring into the ring! I can’t believe this, Jerry!”
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 1, 2021 19:14:08 GMT -5
I do not really mind, but limit the 'anyone can be at ringside' element of it. The heels constant wins from their friends being on the outside is getting serious old hat. Especially when they do it on PPV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 20:17:28 GMT -5
This has motivated me to form Beaman's Seamen. Who's in? "Excalibur, that poor guy in the ring is surrounded by Seam...[BANNED] "He's certainly in a sticky situation here."
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