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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2021 13:00:30 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was never over, never any good in the ring and was hated by the Mcmahon clan after screwing them over for money. He was talented and over enough he could get a misogynist gimmick to work AS INTENDED as a heel, at a time people who were mistreating women got face pops because of the garbage nature of the attitude era. He was a good enough hand WCW wanted him, pre Russo and he was getting gigs in major promotions after TNA. He didn't ask for a penny more than he was due when he left the WWF, and put over Chyna when he could have just forfeited the title on his way out and left her dead in the water. When his wife died, Vince was one of the first people to reach out, he was close to Hunter as well, riding with the Kliq back in the day so when he stopped playing promoter, there was a job waiting for him in the WWE. Maybe it's because he's come off so likable the last few years and Ive softened on him (seriously, I love his podcast. Dude is great) But I really think that he gets a pretty raw deal as a performer, overall. He was a very solid hand who when booked right was good enough to be a credible threat on the bubble of the main event scene or as a challenger on a B PPV. Was his TNA run silly at times with him HHH-ing the title? Sure. Did Russo overpush him in 2000? Yes. But this revisionist history that he was some scrub lucky to be where he was is trash Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star...
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2021 13:02:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's because he's come off so likable the last few years and Ive softened on him (seriously, I love his podcast. Dude is great) But I really think that he gets a pretty raw deal as a performer, overall. He was a very solid hand who when booked right was good enough to be a credible threat on the bubble of the main event scene or as a challenger on a B PPV. Was his TNA run silly at times with him HHH-ing the title? Sure. Did Russo overpush him in 2000? Yes. But this revisionist history that he was some scrub lucky to be where he was is trash Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star... Sure. And frankly, given what WCW looked like, I don't even hate the idea of him with a title reign. The problem was him being pushed as THE main event heel for most of the year when you had Steiner right there.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 27, 2021 13:16:54 GMT -5
Maybe it's because he's come off so likable the last few years and Ive softened on him (seriously, I love his podcast. Dude is great) But I really think that he gets a pretty raw deal as a performer, overall. He was a very solid hand who when booked right was good enough to be a credible threat on the bubble of the main event scene or as a challenger on a B PPV. Was his TNA run silly at times with him HHH-ing the title? Sure. Did Russo overpush him in 2000? Yes. But this revisionist history that he was some scrub lucky to be where he was is trash Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star... He came from Memphis and was pushed as a big deal there as he was the owner's son, so that notion existed before he met Russo. Not sure I buy the nice guy Jeff act, he was an ass to talent in Memphis, ask Austin, he put un place all the bad policies toward talent in Tna and made them worse when brought back by Anthem, after his scam gold promotion failed, then sued them after failing to have anthem make it work. He's good at schmoozing the right people, coming off as charming when it benefits him, not the same as being nice.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star... He came from Memphis and was pushed as a big deal there as he was the owner's son, so that notion existed before he met Russo. Not sure I buy the nice guy Jeff act, he was an ass to talent in Memphis, ask Austin, he put un place all the bad policies toward talent in Tna and made them worse when brought back by Anthem, after his scam gold promotion failed, then sued them after failing to have anthem make it work. He's good at schmoozing the right people, coming off as charming when it benefits him, not the same as being nice. To be fair, his recent image turnaround can also be attributed to the fact he's clean and sober.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 27, 2021 14:22:40 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was never over, never any good in the ring and was hated by the Mcmahon clan after screwing them over for money. He was talented and over enough he could get a misogynist gimmick to work AS INTENDED as a heel, at a time people who were mistreating women got face pops because of the garbage nature of the attitude era. He was a good enough hand WCW wanted him, pre Russo and he was getting gigs in major promotions after TNA. He didn't ask for a penny more than he was due when he left the WWF, and put over Chyna when he could have just forfeited the title on his way out and left her dead in the water. When his wife died, Vince was one of the first people to reach out, he was close to Hunter as well, riding with the Kliq back in the day so when he stopped playing promoter, there was a job waiting for him in the WWE. Maybe it's because he's come off so likable the last few years and Ive softened on him (seriously, I love his podcast. Dude is great) But I really think that he gets a pretty raw deal as a performer, overall. He was a very solid hand who when booked right was good enough to be a credible threat on the bubble of the main event scene or as a challenger on a B PPV. Was his TNA run silly at times with him HHH-ing the title? Sure. Did Russo overpush him in 2000? Yes. But this revisionist history that he was some scrub lucky to be where he was is trash You’re really underplaying just how bad his TNA run was. So many guys who fans were chomping at the bit to see him drop the title to and he still came out on top. Not even HHH received “drop the title” chants. I genuinely think Jarret’s reign on top played a huge part in TNA never getting to the level it should have.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 27, 2021 14:28:43 GMT -5
Maybe it's because he's come off so likable the last few years and Ive softened on him (seriously, I love his podcast. Dude is great) But I really think that he gets a pretty raw deal as a performer, overall. He was a very solid hand who when booked right was good enough to be a credible threat on the bubble of the main event scene or as a challenger on a B PPV. Was his TNA run silly at times with him HHH-ing the title? Sure. Did Russo overpush him in 2000? Yes. But this revisionist history that he was some scrub lucky to be where he was is trash Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star... Yep, he's an IC/US Title and occasional main eventer guy. Maybe get a couple reigns with the top title. That's far from a bad spot to be in. Jericho was like that for most of his WWE career. And he was constantly over, always in the hunt for any title and always used. Shit, 99% of wrestlers would do anything to have a career like that. Jarrett wasn't the guy to be the guy.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 27, 2021 16:54:38 GMT -5
"He broke 6000 guitars, never drew a dime."
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 27, 2021 18:13:25 GMT -5
"Bossman was an amazing heel in 1999". Bossman had the original X Pac heat. I remember audiences audibly groaning when his music hit. Bossman's gimmick of worst person ever in the Snow and Show feuds is something that I think people have warmed up to over time. It really wasn't much of a hit back in 1999. Part of it is because those acts were only a slight step above what everyone else is doing. Do Bossman's reprehensible actions really stand out on the same show where Austin tried to murder Triple H with a live rattlesnake? Or when Chris Jericho broke Chyna's thumb with a hammer? Or when Undertaker tested Big Show by stranding him in the middle of Death Valley with no food or water? This makes me wish we had a backstage segment where Bossman looks in the mirror and makes the conscious decision to be the worst version of himself. And between this, Big Show being stranded in a desert, short in the ass with a tranquilizer dart and having his head shaved, and later on his failed strip mall, Big Show was really kind of a schmuck.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 27, 2021 18:29:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never really been a Jarrett Fan but even then he's not some nobody loser. he's an upper mid card part time main eventer... his biggest issue has been that him and Russo got it into his head that he should be THE main event star... Yep, he's an IC/US Title and occasional main eventer guy. Maybe get a couple reigns with the top title. That's far from a bad spot to be in. Jericho was like that for most of his WWE career. And he was constantly over, always in the hunt for any title and always used. Shit, 99% of wrestlers would do anything to have a career like that. Jarrett wasn't the guy to be the guy. He's not the guy, he's the guy the guy squashes to a massive pop on their way to their first title win. The guy who makes them look like a star on their way to the top. That role is vital in wrestling, and it sure screws everything up when that guy gets to push themselves as the guy ahead of more able talent.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Aug 27, 2021 19:54:21 GMT -5
The ideal version of Jeff Jarrett will always be mid '90s Double J with the obnoxious light-up neon glasses and cowboy hat and I stand by that.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 27, 2021 19:56:28 GMT -5
Perhaps I’m making this sound way too one sided, but I feel like Roman Reigns rose to the top organically (2013-2015) and was very much accepted and over with the fans. It was the booking of Rumble 2015 that did him in, and not so much being “shoved down our throats.” The fans were starting to turn against him after he'd come back from injury because he'd already started to become a cheesy John Cena lite.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Aug 27, 2021 20:07:28 GMT -5
I loved his infamous “what” promo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 20:12:42 GMT -5
I loved his infamous “what” promo I don't even hate the WHAT chants as much as everyone else. They can be a little annoying, and the joke is old now, but I for whatever reason I just don't mind them that much.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 27, 2021 20:19:26 GMT -5
The ideal version of Jeff Jarrett will always be mid '90s Double J with the obnoxious light-up neon glasses and cowboy hat and I stand by that. I think his Slap Nuts and King Of The Mountain ring gear looks cooler than the weird suspenders. But he should have always kept the hat and the light-up shades.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 27, 2021 20:25:39 GMT -5
The idea that Michael Cole is allegedly a totally inept commentator, or rather the feeling he's never had a good call. He can be dorky, but Cole's had his moments where he's been let off his leash and done some great play-by-play, like Mankind beating the Rock for the title on Raw, Eddie Guerrero beating Brock, Bryan winning the triple threat, and Brock/Goldberg II. I think his Miz-fanboy heel run hurt him, it admittedly got a bit grating and went too long and that soured people on his image a bit.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 27, 2021 20:26:18 GMT -5
I loved his infamous “what” promo I don't even hate the WHAT promos as much as everyone else. They can be a little annoying, and the joke is old now, but I for whatever reason I just don't mind them that much. I could be wrong, but I think it's mostly the chant that still happens today people dislike. The initial catchphrase was gold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 20:28:21 GMT -5
I don't even hate the WHAT promos as much as everyone else. They can be a little annoying, and the joke is old now, but I for whatever reason I just don't mind them that much. I could be wrong, but I think it's mostly the chant that still happens today people dislike. The initial catchphrase was gold. That was actually a typo by me, I meant to say "WHAT chants", not "WHAT promos" lol.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Aug 27, 2021 20:55:21 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was never over, never any good in the ring and was hated by the Mcmahon clan after screwing them over for money. He was talented and over enough he could get a misogynist gimmick to work AS INTENDED as a heel, at a time people who were mistreating women got face pops because of the garbage nature of the attitude era. He was a good enough hand WCW wanted him, pre Russo and he was getting gigs in major promotions after TNA. He didn't ask for a penny more than he was due when he left the WWF, and put over Chyna when he could have just forfeited the title on his way out and left her dead in the water. When his wife died, Vince was one of the first people to reach out, he was close to Hunter as well, riding with the Kliq back in the day so when he stopped playing promoter, there was a job waiting for him in the WWE. 100%. I've been a Jarrett apologist for years. He's a good wrestler and is much more charismatic than he has ever been given credit for. Your point about him getting the misogynist gimmick over as intended just speaks so much to that. He deserves his HOF induction and frankly he should've been inducted earlier. I also very much enjoyed his work in TNA, but I also like long/frequently reigning heel champions.
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Post by greyfmdan on Aug 27, 2021 23:28:06 GMT -5
I don't even hate the WHAT promos as much as everyone else. They can be a little annoying, and the joke is old now, but I for whatever reason I just don't mind them that much. I could be wrong, but I think it's mostly the chant that still happens today people dislike. The initial catchphrase was gold. FWIW, I find the chants as annoying as the next person. But I’ve always gotten a kick out of it when a good talker would react to them—like Slick going into “black preacher” mode at the Bryan/AJ wedding, or Piper’s “What, are you deaf?” response.
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Post by dgenerationmc on Aug 28, 2021 13:06:10 GMT -5
Perhaps I’m making this sound way too one sided, but I feel like Roman Reigns rose to the top organically (2013-2015) and was very much accepted and over with the fans. It was the booking of Rumble 2015 that did him in, and not so much being “shoved down our throats.” From my perspective, it was very obvious what WWE had planned for Reigns once he had that big performance at SSeries 2013. But, I remember going into WM 30 with The Shield teasing a split that there was a real fear that Ambrose and Rollins' purpose were to be sacrificed as stepping stones for Roman. Luckily that didn't happen but, mind you, this was all during the same time of the fan revolt to get Bryan into the Mania main event. You could tell WWE wanted to make Reigns "happen" more than the fans (who still very much liked but didn't love Roman) did so I spent the rest of 2014 covering my eyes for Roman because I knew we were trading one revolt (Batista/Bryan/Mania 30) for another (Roman). It was like watching the Titanic inch closer and closer to the iceberg. The push was just so transparent and not on the same page with fans as a whole that it was no surprise to me what happened in 2015. WWE just got ahead of themselves and refused to take a moment to reassess. The Roman backlash definitely didn't come out of nowhere, there were signs that WWE simply chose to ignore. Oh, the fans don't wanna make it work? Well, WWE will force them to wanna make it work. Bad choice, guys.
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