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Post by eJm on Dec 7, 2022 17:09:01 GMT -5
I mean, there’s no reason that Page *needs* to be okay with Mox KOing him with a legal lariat. He told Mox in an earlier promo he saw him as a rival, that doesn’t absolutely have to change just because Maxwell is champion now. Hangman wants to get a win over him. Also, what would likely happen if Hangman beats Moxley? He's basically the undisputed number-one contender to MJF. Just because it's not referenced now as a story motivation doesn't mean it can't be.
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Post by Square on Dec 7, 2022 17:17:56 GMT -5
I mean, there’s no reason that Page *needs* to be okay with Mox KOing him with a legal lariat. He told Mox in an earlier promo he saw him as a rival, that doesn’t absolutely have to change just because Maxwell is champion now. Hangman wants to get a win over him. Also, what would likely happen if Hangman beats Moxley? He's basically the undisputed number-one contender to MJF. Just because it's not referenced now as a story motivation doesn't mean it can't be. For me though I'd rather that be the main motivation for both men rather than the knock out. It doesn't vibe with Cowboy Shit holding onto grudges and it doesn't explain why Mox is not just going to kick the living tar out of MJF for me. If this is secondary to their main goal great but it started out not that case.
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Post by eJm on Dec 7, 2022 17:21:17 GMT -5
But you're also acting like that it can't come up this week at some point? Like, they weren't going to do it during the return angle because a grudge needs to be settled but unless you can right away tell that it's the core reason right now (and we can't because it happened last week), it just feels like a leap of logic on your end as much as you feel like it's ignoring things.
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Post by Square on Dec 7, 2022 17:38:38 GMT -5
But you're also acting like that it can't come up this week at some point? Like, they weren't going to do it during the return angle because a grudge needs to be settled but unless you can right away tell that it's the core reason right now (and we can't because it happened last week), it just feels like a leap of logic on your end as much as you feel like it's ignoring things. I guess when I look at it Mox tells Regal to run away and the next week just completely forgets about the belt the following week. For me I would have wanted the story to be "Moxley is demanding a rematch for the title he got screwed out but here comes Hangman back who also has a claim for a title match. Mox makes the comment about the injury, Hangman's pissed, they brawl". Doing it that way gives both men reasoning without either looking dumb or bad, allows MJF to be the invisible heel in that story and frees him up fight Starks, Danielson or whoever else until this story is wrapped. Also it gives the belt more credence because hey two od the biggest stars are fighting for a shot at it, which with this and the treatment of Starks going into Winter is Coming the belt for me feels less important than it did 3 weeks ago.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 7, 2022 18:14:13 GMT -5
Storm's a great trainer, and I liked his work in ECW and WCW, but I have to disagree with him about his take on the Moxley/Hangman feud.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 7, 2022 18:34:28 GMT -5
I'm kinda just writing this one off as some sort of bad-faith contrarianism and moving on, have absolutely no doubt he'll probably double down on it as well.
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 7, 2022 21:49:45 GMT -5
Lance Storm once said that libraries are akin to stealing from authors. He's a great wrestler but not necessarily a great thinker.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 7, 2022 22:03:56 GMT -5
Lance Storm once said that libraries are akin to stealing from authors. He's a great wrestler but not necessarily a great thinker. He also said that raising money for ALS research (with the Ice Bucket Challenge) is meaningless because the research is happening anyway. Which is...not how that works.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 22:09:09 GMT -5
I mean I get it…
Hasn’t Mox beaten Page like three times?
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Post by Cyno on Dec 7, 2022 22:11:45 GMT -5
Lance Storm once said that libraries are akin to stealing from authors. He's a great wrestler but not necessarily a great thinker. Maybe he's thinking about the Library of Alexandria where they supposedly took the scrolls from visitors of the city, made copies of them, and gave the copies back to said visitors while keeping the originals for themselves. >_>
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Post by Chiral on Dec 7, 2022 22:12:45 GMT -5
Lance Storm absolutely is bad at media literacy he's posted confused stuff about like where a movie takes place in a series' timeline before instead of just like googling it (it was something not very confusing IIRC) and then got mad when people explained it to him
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Post by coleslaw on Dec 7, 2022 22:16:57 GMT -5
Lance Storm absolutely is bad at media literacy he's posted confused stuff about like where a movie takes place in a series' timeline before instead of just like googling it (it was something not very confusing IIRC) and then got mad when people explained it to him I like to picture Lance Storm furiously watching children's TV shows having no idea what's happening
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Post by khali on Dec 7, 2022 22:23:20 GMT -5
There was a time when I listened to the Lance Storm, but his tendency to severely nitpick to a granular level got annoying.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 8, 2022 0:16:31 GMT -5
Having dealt with Lance in the past, I can tell you he’s a good dude, but there are times when I will listen to him and Bryan and the stuff he takes issue with is so deep into the minutiae of things that it feels like he’s just being a contrarian.
We all have our own tastes when it comes to what we like in wrestling (or any other media for that matter), but there’s a big difference between not liking something and claiming that it doesn’t make sense.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 8, 2022 0:26:46 GMT -5
If a guy knocked me out, legal or not, I'm going to want to face and best him just to prove to myself it was a fluke, not to mention to the fans and other wrestlers.
That's not something I'd be okay with on personal level, let alone a professional.
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Post by eJm on Dec 8, 2022 1:50:19 GMT -5
I mean I get it… Hasn’t Mox beaten Page like three times? They haven’t even faced each other that many times. The only match they’ve been in together, besides the single, was the ladder match Page won and teamed together for a tag match.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 8, 2022 1:56:05 GMT -5
I mean I get it… Hasn’t Mox beaten Page like three times? No, they haven't. That was literally their first real singles match ever. So I don't know what you're getting, it doesn't exist lol
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 8, 2022 2:30:29 GMT -5
Trying to offload this onto Russo because he doesn't understand the story is kind of hilarious and exposes himself more than I'd want to publicly go off admitting, goddamn. Like, yes, it is part of the show that that match was stopped by a doctor. It wasn't a traditional pinfall, Moxley didn't go off doing his move and cover him for a freak win. He got hurt and stretchered out and went to the hospital. That's not a normal finish to a wrestling match. That's something that of course he'd want to come back from and avenge, the same way that when someone breaks a limb in an MMA fight and the fight gets waved off, it's not really a satisfying ending. None of that is related to the booking of Vince Russo at all. This is so outrageously obtuse.
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Post by deezy on Dec 8, 2022 6:29:31 GMT -5
Even a dummy like me got it 3 seconds after Hangman came out. Of course Page would want revenge. Whether it was on purpose or not.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 8, 2022 6:37:19 GMT -5
Lance Storm is either being intentionally obtuse for the sake of getting clicks or he isn't a very imaginative person who not only needs someone to connect the dots for him, but an elaborate explanation for why A goes to B. He actually was one of the bookers in ECW, which at one point had him, Raven, and Dreamer booking since Heyman was busy running the business side poorly, so I just do not really get what he doesn't get here. It's not like he's never booked anything before, so surely he understands the concept of delayed gratification.
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