Lance Storm somehow confused about easy-to-get feud.

[eJm]

I wanted to call it "Lance Storm is bad at media literacy" but that felt harsh.

This was what I alluded to on the Social Media thread so I thought it'd be fair to make it its own thing.

As I said there...there's a lot of people not getting the basic jist of things. Moxley knocked out Page, bragged about it and got punched for it. Gives them something to do to not take away from Starks and the motivation, put on commentary made sense.

But then I'm not a long time wrestler who probably encountered feuds exactly like this so what do I know?

[Square]

I'll paste my last comment in here just to move the conversation over however I disagree that this is a bad take. Personally I'm not a fan of face vs face feuds as it'll always result in someone turning and I don't think either man should be a heel at this moment in time.

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In my head I'm likening it to a boxer being pissed off another boxer knocked him out, kos are a legimate win clause in wrestling what does Page have to pissed about? If he's pissed that he lost his title shot because of getting KTFO go after MJF. Just like Mox should have been doing. It also gives this story something more to go on, both men want the title and will fight each other for another shot AND Page is pissed Moxley knocked him out. Gets those two to the side for the foreseeable, let's Starks and whoever is after go for the title and then you got a big match for the belt!"

[The Ichi]

Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for this board.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Dec 7, 2022 16:36:26 GMT -5 Square said:

In my head I'm likening it to a boxer being pissed off another boxer knocked him out, kos are a legimate win clause in wrestling what does Page have to pissed about?

I mean Moxley came out and said I'm the baddest dude around and if you disagree, let me know. So Hangman decided to answer that. Then Moxley mocked his concussion and then they started brawling. So he first just came to answer a challenge and then got pissed when he started mocking him. 

[Cyno]

Lance Storm is either being intentionally obtuse for the sake of getting clicks or he isn't a very imaginative person who not only needs someone to connect the dots for him, but an elaborate explanation for why A goes to B.

[Square]

Dec 7, 2022 16:39:01 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Dec 7, 2022 16:36:26 GMT -5 Square said:

In my head I'm likening it to a boxer being pissed off another boxer knocked him out, kos are a legimate win clause in wrestling what does Page have to pissed about?

I mean Moxley came out and said I'm the baddest dude around and if you disagree, let me know. So Hangman decided to answer that. Then Moxley mocked his concussion and then they started brawling. So he first just came to answer a challenge and then got pissed when he started mocking him. 

Which has that WWE-esque amnesia of forgetting what happened 2 weeks ago for me personally. Why is Mox not going after MJF?

There was a way to do this which would have been a lot better in my personal opinion. I think the brawl was great but getting there made both Mox and Page look dumb in my opinion

[eJm]

Dec 7, 2022 16:39:01 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

I mean Moxley came out and said I'm the baddest dude around and if you disagree, let me know. So Hangman decided to answer that. Then Moxley mocked his concussion and then they started brawling. So he first just came to answer a challenge and then got pissed when he started mocking him. 

And if you don't know how it happened, commentary stamped it in your head that Moxley was the one to cause it.

If we're going to say "it's within the rules of how they lost, why should they be annoyed?" we'd be picking apart a lot of Boxing/MMA rivalries, sports rivalries etc.

[Jindrak Mark]

Some people don't know the difference between "I'm not a fan of this" and "that doesn't make sense" and Storm/Alvarez fall into that category a lot.

The recent Theory MITB thing for example. You might have hated how it went down but it made perfect sense in kayfabe. He was an idiot and made an idiotic decision. Nothing weird about it whatsoever.

[kingoftheindies]

Dec 7, 2022 16:39:56 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Lance Storm is either being intentionally obtuse for the sake of getting clicks or he isn't a very imaginative person who not only needs someone to connect the dots for him, but an elaborate explanation for why A goes to B.

Not to quote you back to back, but it kind of goes with my response to you in the Social Media thread.

In short, Lance is very obtuse. He wants things to either be spelled out or they have to be about the sport of pro wrestling and proving you are just better than your opponent. Like he legitimately does add some insight talking about how creative in WWE even when he was still active would rather try the same story line with call up after call up until it worked or his thoughts on why crash tv doesn't work. But he really does need things to be super black and white. And I've heard a lot of criticisms he's had in recent years where I'm like... yeah that's stretching it a bit.

[eJm]

Dec 7, 2022 16:42:17 GMT -5 Square said:

Which has that WWE-esque amnesia of forgetting what happened 2 weeks ago for me personally.

And if they didn't address it, it'd be worse because there wasn't a decisive winner to the Moxley/Page match which wasn't won by either man but decided by a ref's decision. You could use this to crown a future contender.

[Facetious]

Mox knocked out Page, celebrated it, called someone out, Hangman answers, gets mocked for his concussion, Hangman is mad.

Like, Storm HAS to be purposely obtuse, right? This man has been in wrestling for 3 decades and WRITES for IMPACT.

[eJm]

Dec 7, 2022 16:44:54 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

The recent Theory MITB thing for example. You might have hated how it went down but it made perfect sense in kayfabe. He was an idiot and made an idiotic decision. Nothing weird about it whatsoever.

Not to get off topic but, with that, it was more the company being an idiot than Theory because nobody stopped the dude from cashing in on a belt that, in canon, was never established to be done unless, like, I missed something from the years of watching and they scrubbed "World title" off of commentary or something.

[Cyno]

Also, unless this happened very early in his indies career, Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose/Titty Master has never been a clean-cut, goody two shoes babyface. His face character has almost always been a badass, violent anti-hero.

[Square]

Dec 7, 2022 16:45:47 GMT -5 eJm said:

Dec 7, 2022 16:42:17 GMT -5 Square said:

Which has that WWE-esque amnesia of forgetting what happened 2 weeks ago for me personally.

And if they didn't address it, it'd be worse because there wasn't a decisive winner to the Moxley/Page match which wasn't won by either man but decided by a ref's decision. You could use this to crown a future contender.

But they started scrapping before mentioning the title meaning it has less relevance than Page being "I know cowboy shit and all that but I'm upset I got knocked out and want revenge" which personally i dont want that to be the primary goal of the anxious millennial cowboy!

I feel watching this the prestige of the title is now worse off post MJF winning it than pre and this is a big reason why.

[kingoftheindies]

To go along with the segment, before the match Mox and Page already were having some jabs at each other no? Like Page hated that Mox still viewed him like some dumb kid

[eJm]

Dec 7, 2022 16:53:59 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

To go along with the segment, before the match Mox and Page already were having some jabs at each other no? Like Page hated that Mox still viewed him like some dumb kid

Funny you mention that...

[Mecca]

The god damn announcers even discussed it when Page came out...it really feels like unless you got some ridiculously overproduced video package that highlights everything some people can't follow what's going on...it's like WWEitis, we're going to treat the fans like simpletons that can't understand or remember anything...

A company doesn't treat the fans that way and we got people upset about that, it's like the hell.

[Lizuka #BLM]

Dec 7, 2022 16:49:43 GMT -5 eJm said:

Dec 7, 2022 16:44:54 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

The recent Theory MITB thing for example. You might have hated how it went down but it made perfect sense in kayfabe. He was an idiot and made an idiotic decision. Nothing weird about it whatsoever.

Not to get off topic but, with that, it was more the company being an idiot than Theory because nobody stopped the dude from cashing in on a belt that, in canon, was never established to be done unless, like, I missed something from the years of watching and they scrubbed "World title" off of commentary or something.

Being fair they did spend a few weeks talking about the possibility of him cashing in on Seth before he did it, and there was that time Punk threatened to cash in on Maryse, so there was a basis for it.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

I mean, there’s no reason that Page *needs* to be okay with Mox KOing him with a legal lariat. He told Mox in an earlier promo he saw him as a rival, that doesn’t absolutely have to change just because Maxwell is champion now. Hangman wants to get a win over him.

[eJm]

Dec 7, 2022 17:02:16 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Dec 7, 2022 16:49:43 GMT -5 eJm said:

Not to get off topic but, with that, it was more the company being an idiot than Theory because nobody stopped the dude from cashing in on a belt that, in canon, was never established to be done unless, like, I missed something from the years of watching and they scrubbed "World title" off of commentary or something.

Being fair they did spend a few weeks talking about the possibility of him cashing in on Seth before he did it, and there was that time Punk threatened to cash in on Maryse, so there was a basis for it.

That is fair. But also dumb because it wasn't really part of what made MITB...MITB but what do I know?