lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 8, 2022 7:09:51 GMT -5
I'm kinda just writing this one off as some sort of bad-faith contrarianism and moving on, have absolutely no doubt he'll probably double down on it as well. Hes been like this for a while. Its just his takes isn't as incendiary as Tennis Racket man
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 8, 2022 7:33:43 GMT -5
Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for this board. Honestly, as melodramatic and sometimes bad faith as things can get on this part of the board, we're still leagues ahead of a few other spots out there that have thoroughly internalized some weird kind of "Khan is the antichrist" mentality with regards to his booking. Shit's weird out there, man. But yeah, it does make me think about how so many fans seemingly want to be hand-held with stuff like that in wrestling, even going back to the "why doesn't so-and-so get a video package before their match?" stuff. Like, yes, those things absolutely have their place, but could we not just, I don't know, watch the @#$%ing matches to see how characters and stories are revealed and unfold? Worse, I think a lot of these critiques stem from some weird obsession with thinking "but tHe CaSuAl FaNs WoN't GeT iT!" mentality that, as non-casual fans, why should that bother us?
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Post by eJm on Dec 8, 2022 7:37:59 GMT -5
Worse, I think a lot of these critiques stem from some weird obsession with thinking "but tHe CaSuAl FaNs WoN't GeT iT!" mentality that, as non-casual fans, why should that bother us? Clearly, people want about 2-3 years of mega success and pop culture recognition and then another 20 years of wondering why chasing those people isn't working anymore. I mean, I'd rather have consistent, fruitful success to keep fans hooked and interested rather than aiming for audiences that have fleeting interest but what do I know? I'm just a guy who is a part of several niches that are mostly doing just that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 8, 2022 9:40:30 GMT -5
Let Lance be serious for a minute.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 8, 2022 10:51:17 GMT -5
Am I the only person who can see where Lance is coming from?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 10:51:54 GMT -5
I mean I get it… Hasn’t Mox beaten Page like three times? No, they haven't. That was literally their first real singles match ever. So I don't know what you're getting, it doesn't exist lol I think I’m thinking of Danielson. Page just seems like a choke artist since losing the title.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 8, 2022 11:06:40 GMT -5
Lance Storm absolutely is bad at media literacy he's posted confused stuff about like where a movie takes place in a series' timeline before instead of just like googling it (it was something not very confusing IIRC) and then got mad when people explained it to him I like to picture Lance Storm furiously watching children's TV shows having no idea what's happening "Why is Twilight Sparkle friends with Starlight Glimmer all of a sudden? Twilight should want to kick her ass! It's like they think friendship is some magical thing that solves all problems! Get this Russo bullshit out of here."
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 8, 2022 11:10:36 GMT -5
I like to picture Lance Storm furiously watching children's TV shows having no idea what's happening "Why is Twilight Sparkle friends with Starlight Glimmer all of a sudden? Twilight should want to kick her ass! It's like they think friendship is some magical thing that solves all problems! Get this Russo bullshit out of here." “And can someone explain to me why Discord is not permanently in the equivalent of, well, their ‘pony jail’? How forgiving *are* Celestia and the other characters?”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 12:04:46 GMT -5
Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for this board. Honestly, as melodramatic and sometimes bad faith as things can get on this part of the board, we're still leagues ahead of a few other spots out there that have thoroughly internalized some weird kind of "Khan is the antichrist" mentality with regards to his booking. Shit's weird out there, man. But yeah, it does make me think about how so many fans seemingly want to be hand-held with stuff like that in wrestling, even going back to the "why doesn't so-and-so get a video package before their match?" stuff. Like, yes, those things absolutely have their place, but could we not just, I don't know, watch the @#$%ing matches to see how characters and stories are revealed and unfold? Worse, I think a lot of these critiques stem from some weird obsession with thinking "but tHe CaSuAl FaNs WoN't GeT iT!" mentality that, as non-casual fans, why should that bother us?
Casual fans are a myth in 2022, at least it certainly seems that way.
The way streaming and the internet have changed the entertainment landscape, there's no casual anything. The days of anyone just channel surfing and ending up on Raw or Dynamite are all but over. Wrestling exists in a bubble, and we are in that bubble.
At least that's how I see it.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 8, 2022 12:08:42 GMT -5
Am I the only person who can see where Lance is coming from? Btw I'm not saying I agree with it. But I think he makes a valid argument.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 8, 2022 12:14:33 GMT -5
Honestly, as melodramatic and sometimes bad faith as things can get on this part of the board, we're still leagues ahead of a few other spots out there that have thoroughly internalized some weird kind of "Khan is the antichrist" mentality with regards to his booking. Shit's weird out there, man. But yeah, it does make me think about how so many fans seemingly want to be hand-held with stuff like that in wrestling, even going back to the "why doesn't so-and-so get a video package before their match?" stuff. Like, yes, those things absolutely have their place, but could we not just, I don't know, watch the @#$%ing matches to see how characters and stories are revealed and unfold? Worse, I think a lot of these critiques stem from some weird obsession with thinking "but tHe CaSuAl FaNs WoN't GeT iT!" mentality that, as non-casual fans, why should that bother us?
Casual fans are a myth in 2022, at least it certainly seems that way.
The way streaming and the internet have changed the entertainment landscape, there's no casual anything. The days of anyone just channel surfing and ending up on Raw or Dynamite are all but over. Wrestling exists in a bubble, and we are in that bubble.
At least that's how I see it.
I really don't get some fans' obsession with mainstream validation. Like, yeah it's cool to see Bad Bunny or Rick Ross muck it up with wrestlers. But why the thirst for it?
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Post by eJm on Dec 8, 2022 12:49:24 GMT -5
I really don't get some fans' obsession with mainstream validation. Like, yeah it's cool to see Bad Bunny or Rick Ross muck it up with wrestlers. But why the thirst for it? People want wrestling to be seen as “cool” which I can understand until you remember there’s always going to be a barrier to entry that stops it from being consistently cool for a long time so the focus should be making sure you can keep interest from the people who do come around and go over that barrier. Like, I don’t think anyone considers Pokemon an in thing but I see kids playing with the TCG all the time and the new games are the highest selling in the series so what do I know?
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 8, 2022 13:32:17 GMT -5
Honestly, as melodramatic and sometimes bad faith as things can get on this part of the board, we're still leagues ahead of a few other spots out there that have thoroughly internalized some weird kind of "Khan is the antichrist" mentality with regards to his booking. Shit's weird out there, man. But yeah, it does make me think about how so many fans seemingly want to be hand-held with stuff like that in wrestling, even going back to the "why doesn't so-and-so get a video package before their match?" stuff. Like, yes, those things absolutely have their place, but could we not just, I don't know, watch the @#$%ing matches to see how characters and stories are revealed and unfold? Worse, I think a lot of these critiques stem from some weird obsession with thinking "but tHe CaSuAl FaNs WoN't GeT iT!" mentality that, as non-casual fans, why should that bother us?
Casual fans are a myth in 2022, at least it certainly seems that way.
The way streaming and the internet have changed the entertainment landscape, there's no casual anything. The days of anyone just channel surfing and ending up on Raw or Dynamite are all but over. Wrestling exists in a bubble, and we are in that bubble.
At least that's how I see it.
Yeah there may be fans that watch PPVs only, or fans that used to watch the product but I’d typically consider those lapsed fans, not really casual fans.
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Post by coleslaw on Dec 8, 2022 13:39:43 GMT -5
I like to picture Lance Storm furiously watching children's TV shows having no idea what's happening "Why is Twilight Sparkle friends with Starlight Glimmer all of a sudden? Twilight should want to kick her ass! It's like they think friendship is some magical thing that solves all problems! Get this Russo bullshit out of here." Horses don't f***ing talk
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Post by Cyno on Dec 8, 2022 13:42:13 GMT -5
The way I see it, the modern day casual fan watches clips of promos or matches on YouTube, follows promotions and some favorites on social media, probably talk wresting on social media, uses wrestling memes and gifs, and watches their favorite show on a regular, but not can't miss, basis.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 8, 2022 13:51:40 GMT -5
I think the closest thing to a casual fan these days are those few hundred thousand extra people you sometimes get to tune in for something majorly hyped (Smackdown Fox debut, Dynamite debut, Raw 25, CM Punk on Rampage debut) but they pretty much always tune back out the next week.
Wrestling companies are desperate to convince these people to stick around and watch regularly but realistically it's not going to happen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 8, 2022 15:12:40 GMT -5
Casual fans are a myth in 2022, at least it certainly seems that way.
The way streaming and the internet have changed the entertainment landscape, there's no casual anything. The days of anyone just channel surfing and ending up on Raw or Dynamite are all but over. Wrestling exists in a bubble, and we are in that bubble.
At least that's how I see it.
I really don't get some fans' obsession with mainstream validation. Like, yeah it's cool to see Bad Bunny or Rick Ross muck it up with wrestlers. But why the thirst for it? Certain Breeds of cranky old 40-45 year old-fans were in High School or College when wrestling was mainstream and cool, and don't like that it's back in the uncool/nerd classification again and can't let go.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 8, 2022 15:41:42 GMT -5
I think the closest thing to a casual fan these days are those few hundred thousand extra people you sometimes get to tune in for something majorly hyped (Smackdown Fox debut, Dynamite debut, Raw 25, CM Punk on Rampage debut) but they pretty much always tune back out the next week. Wrestling companies are desperate to convince these people to stick around and watch regularly but realistically it's not going to happen. Doesn't help that the majority of times a major company manages to attract a bigger audience for one of these special occasions they proceed to put on a f***ing awful show. Nobody is sticking around after that. Hell even many hardcore fans gave up after Raw 25 and Brock squashing Kofi(/Cain appearing).
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 8, 2022 15:50:27 GMT -5
I think the closest thing to a casual fan these days are those few hundred thousand extra people you sometimes get to tune in for something majorly hyped (Smackdown Fox debut, Dynamite debut, Raw 25, CM Punk on Rampage debut) but they pretty much always tune back out the next week. Wrestling companies are desperate to convince these people to stick around and watch regularly but realistically it's not going to happen. Doesn't help that the majority of times a major company manages to attract a bigger audience for one of these special occasions they proceed to put on a f***ing awful show. Nobody is sticking around after that. Hell even many hardcore fans gave up after Raw 25 and Brock squashing Kofi(/Cain). Even AEW's fallen into that trap before, given after Punk the remainder of that Rampage was a bunch of nothing headlined by Mox vs. Garcia well before anyone gave a shit about Garcia. And this was the second episode.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 8, 2022 19:12:09 GMT -5
Over the years, I've come to realize that for as good a wrestler and trainer as Lance Storm is, I do not agree with basically any of his wrestling opinions. Like, he's certainly not as inflammatory as a Cornette or Russo, but he seems to have just as narrow a view of what "good" wrestling is, and hates everything that isn't that very narrow definition.
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