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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2023 12:34:20 GMT -5
From the sounds of things, the Charlie's Angels movies (the early 2000s ones) would put backstage WWE at the same time to shame and Lucy Liu had to be held back from murdering Bill Murray at one point. Yeah, reading about it, it seems like Murray was a real f***ing asshole, to Liu in particular. Reading it all made me feel bad for Drew Barrymore, who it was apparently a big passion project for. It's unfortunate, but if it's any consolation to her, the movies were very successful for her and her production company. Shame it happened, though, especially since Bill Murray is just kind of useless in it to begin with. Nothing about the role really takes advantage of anything he's especially uniquely good at, so it could have easily been someone else without hugely impacting things onscreen.
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Post by cornettesracket on Feb 4, 2023 13:56:02 GMT -5
As World War One was mentioned I’ll add the sinking of the titanic and I’ve read most of the both American and British inquiries which are fascinating to read, and there is also the stuff around the Californian and what ship its crew actually saw that night. It’s amazing the fact there were 700 survivors and yet many details about the sinking are conflicting and the fact it didn’t sink in one piece.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 4, 2023 14:35:03 GMT -5
Yeah, reading about it, it seems like Murray was a real f***ing asshole, to Liu in particular. Reading it all made me feel bad for Drew Barrymore, who it was apparently a big passion project for. It's unfortunate, but if it's any consolation to her, the movies were very successful for her and her production company. Shame it happened, though, especially since Bill Murray is just kind of useless in it to begin with. Nothing about the role really takes advantage of anything he's especially uniquely good at, so it could have easily been someone else without hugely impacting things onscreen. They replaced him with Bernie Mac in the sequel and no one cared. The movie bombed but I dont think that had anything to do with it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 4, 2023 15:14:08 GMT -5
The Beach Boys. Where do I even begin? -Murray Wilson mentally and physically abusing his sons, especially Brian. -Brian's battle with mental illness and drugs. -Carl Wilson and his alcoholism. -Dennis Wilson befriending Charles Manson and being permanently scarred by the murders. -Mike Love...in general. Todd in the Shadows sums it up pretty well in his Trainwreckords episode about Summer in Paradise: "[Mike Love] has unequivocally been cast as the villain of the Beach Boys. That band's story also features Brian's abusive father Murray, Brian's abusive psychiatrist Dr. Landy, and Charles f***ing Manson, yet somehow Mike Love towers above them all."
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Post by DSR on Feb 4, 2023 16:11:55 GMT -5
Since a number of documentaries about filmmaking have been recommended, I'll throw in a few more:
DOOMED: THE UNTOLD STORY OF ROGER CORMAN'S THE FANTASTIC FOUR details the ins and outs of the making of the 1994 FF film that never got a real release.
BLOOD AND FLESH: THE REEL LIFE AND GHASTLY DEATH OF AL ADAMSON chronicles the story of the titular drive-in exploitation film producer. Also of interest to people who like true crime stories.
JODOROWSKY'S DUNE is about avant garde filmmaker Alexandro Jodorowsky's attempt to adapt Frank Herbert's Dune into a motion picture in the 70s.
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 4, 2023 18:22:34 GMT -5
I know in first post OP mentioned other industries than wrestling but the recent drama involving Max Caster/Jarrett/Karen/Kurt/Kelly was amazing to see
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Post by bibboid on Feb 4, 2023 21:14:39 GMT -5
I love newscaster drama, mostly because of the way they usually tiptoe around the reporting of it. There seems to be an unwritten law that newscasters will not bash the management of other stations. So when something wild happens with one anchor/reporter, it seems like nobody is allowed to give a lot of details about it. It makes every bit of information seem just that much juicer.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 4, 2023 21:15:21 GMT -5
Bill Murray seems to be a guy that everyone KNOWS is can be problematic but feels his talent or the opportunity to work with him outweighs it. He was pretty awful on the set of What About Bob? He threw one of the producers, Laura Ziskin in the lake near the house. And much like throwing her sunglasses he also was noted for throwing some fans cell phone on top of a roof. Richard Dreyfuss hates Bill and when he gets a Bob movie item at a signing he will draw a devil horn and face on Bill's head.
On one of Marlon Brando's last or possibly last movie, The Score, he had major problems with Frank Oz. I remember reading someone on the set said Marlon signed 8x10 photos (he could be very difficult to fans about autographs but very nice to people he knew or worked with) but I don't think Frank got one. He also was noted as telling Frank he wants to stick his, Frank's hand up his butt (Marlon's) like a puppet. No idea where Marlon's dislike of Frank came from unless it was simply Frank's work with puppets maybe Marlon didn't respect it.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 4, 2023 21:37:50 GMT -5
What I find interesting about Bill Murray is that he's known to be a dick on sets, but as a neighbor, he's just fantastic. He lives/lived (unsure if he's moved by now) near where I used to and was a regular part of the community. Everyone liked him because he was a normal, friendly guy. Maybe it's the whole Hollywood deal he hates?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2023 23:23:17 GMT -5
What I find interesting about Bill Murray is that he's known to be a dick on sets, but as a neighbor, he's just fantastic. He lives/lived (unsure if he's moved by now) near where I used to and was a regular part of the community. Everyone liked him because he was a normal, friendly guy. Maybe it's the whole Hollywood deal he hates? Probably. I've also heard even from people who like him that he's kind of subject to moods, so to speak. Maybe at home he can relax more and thus they get to see him at his best.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 5, 2023 0:19:39 GMT -5
The making of Heaven's Gate.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 5, 2023 6:56:04 GMT -5
The lead up to the First World War fascinates me. Particularly the political intrigue. The fact that Austria became a dual r pure literally overnight, and that fewer than a Duden people understood the complexity of the arrangement. I feel like the buildup to WWI is just begging for an all-star cast sort of historic drama filled to the brim with intrigue and treachery. Either that or an absurdist black comedy that's still more or less true to life like The Death of Stalin. Actually, that might be the perfect way to do it, cast on the strength of the actors and have them use their natural accents so it doesn't take you out of the moment. A movie showing Franz Ferdinand's last day, intercutting with the monarchs of the various powers could be an amazing comedy of errors.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 5, 2023 7:06:59 GMT -5
On one of Marlon Brando's last or possibly last movie, The Score, he had major problems with Frank Oz. I remember reading someone on the set said Marlon signed 8x10 photos (he could be very difficult to fans about autographs but very nice to people he knew or worked with) but I don't think Frank got one. He also was noted as telling Frank he wants to stick his, Frank's hand up his butt (Marlon's) like a puppet. No idea where Marlon's dislike of Frank came from unless it was simply Frank's work with puppets maybe Marlon didn't respect it. Stories about Brando could be their own thread in all honesty. In general he was a very odd guy; someone who probably still respected the craft the acting, but who long stopped having any regard for the business of it. Hence why he demanded big paychecks and did what he felt like when he thought he could get away with it. Ron Perlman told a great story on Marc Maron's podcast about Brando circa Island of Dr. Moreau that kind of reveals the latter's sensibilities in that sense. Perlman decided to play the Sayer of the Law character as blind, and thus to pull that off had in opaque lenses that literally made it impossible to actually see anything. He struggles a bit in moving around after scenes are shot, and Brando starts treating him with increasing disdain, which pisses Perlman off that his efforts with this character are getting regarded with such clear disrespect. After a couple of days of this, both guys are sitting down between shoots and Brando suddenly grabs him and looks at him closely, slowly realizing that the other man has lenses in his eyes asks if he's playing the character blind. Perlman is baffled because he thought that was obvious and they'd been working together for several days straight. Brando then tells Perlman that its a brilliant decision and that they need to do their scenes again because he would have played them differently had he known Ron doing the character that way. Brando's shabby treatment was because he had thought Perlman was a clumsy idiot who couldn't get out of the former's way. That essentially sums up a lot of his latter day ways; uncaring about productions that didn't interest him and unobservant about other performers, but capable of recognizing good acting when he bothered to notice it.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 5, 2023 9:23:04 GMT -5
I feel like the buildup to WWI is just begging for an all-star cast sort of historic drama filled to the brim with intrigue and treachery. Either that or an absurdist black comedy that's still more or less true to life like The Death of Stalin. Actually, that might be the perfect way to do it, cast on the strength of the actors and have them use their natural accents so it doesn't take you out of the moment. A movie showing Franz Ferdinand's last day, intercutting with the monarchs of the various powers could be an amazing comedy of errors. The story about ambassadors being on the verge of an agreement that could avoid a war when one of them dead dead of a heart attack like the animator in Monty Python amd the holy grail. ACK! *thud*
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Post by cornettesracket on Feb 5, 2023 9:55:19 GMT -5
The filming of the wizard of Oz sounds interesting.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 5, 2023 10:07:55 GMT -5
The Channel Awesome downfall was fascinating to see. Even the aftermath is weird. Used to be a big Cinema Snob fan, but he even seems to have gotten to be too much to bother watching anymore What makes it more fascinating is seeing new channels actually critique the Change the Channel document and it turns out that while there was a lot of bad things, most of the document is actually complete BS and turns out a lot of the people who left Channel Awesome are also pretty scummy themselves
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 5, 2023 10:14:37 GMT -5
That essentially sums up a lot of his latter day ways; uncaring about productions that didn't interest him and unobservant about other performers, but capable of recognizing good acting when he bothered to notice it. I've found him to be a really fascinating person. Once he became very famous it seems like all he did was turn down autograph requests from fans. Prior to his real fame it seemed like he at least signed scraps of paper. I doubt many Godfather or movie photos signed by him exist unless he signed them for friends. He employed a secretary to sign his fan mail. But years after originally reading how awful he was to fans wanting autographs, letters he sent-both handwritten and typed-to friends or his employees have come to be seen. One letter that I still find incredible is one he wrote to a hotel employee when he was working on a movie with Matthew Broderick, I think The Freshman. He found the employee, maybe the manager or owner's treatment of him and his friends was so kind that he wrote a full page handwritten note to him. On one hand he could show great kindness and was regarded as a good friend but to those who he didn't know personally, could be very difficult.
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 5, 2023 10:23:57 GMT -5
Even the aftermath is weird. Used to be a big Cinema Snob fan, but he even seems to have gotten to be too much to bother watching anymore What makes it more fascinating is seeing new channels actually critique the Change the Channel document and it turns out that while there was a lot of bad things, most of the document is actually complete BS and turns out a lot of the people who left Channel Awesome are also pretty scummy themselves I don't think I've seen this videos
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 5, 2023 10:53:34 GMT -5
That essentially sums up a lot of his latter day ways; uncaring about productions that didn't interest him and unobservant about other performers, but capable of recognizing good acting when he bothered to notice it. I've found him to be a really fascinating person. Once he became very famous it seems like all he did was turn down autograph requests from fans. Prior to his real fame it seemed like he at least signed scraps of paper. I doubt many Godfather or movie photos signed by him exist unless he signed them for friends. He employed a secretary to sign his fan mail. But years after originally reading how awful he was to fans wanting autographs, letters he sent-both handwritten and typed-to friends or his employees have come to be seen. One letter that I still find incredible is one he wrote to a hotel employee when he was working on a movie with Matthew Broderick, I think The Freshman. He found the employee, maybe the manager or owner's treatment of him and his friends was so kind that he wrote a full page handwritten note to him. On one hand he could show great kindness and was regarded as a good friend but to those who he didn't know personally, could be very difficult. With Brando its hard to escape a sense that he largely grew bored with acting at some point and after being a director didn't work out, he basically resigned himself to getting paid, indulging his vices when got the chance, and occasionally getting involved with social causes he did care about. If he had a Kazan or (occasionally) a Coppola to keep him engaged he'd be an asset, but material from directors he wasn't deeply impressed by he'd either ignore or troll with his suggestions for scenes. His behavior on Island of Dr. Moreau reeks of a guy who pegs the project as doomed crap from the beginning, so his entire motivation is to enjoy himself however he can. Heck a story from Fairuza Balk tells pretty much spells that out as much:
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Post by HeyYo on Feb 5, 2023 12:57:26 GMT -5
Yeah, add me to the list of the drama behind Ramis and Murray on the Groundhog Day set.
I remember being a kid and reading in a magazine that Val Kilmer wouldn't be back as Batman because he and Joel Schumacher were constantly fighting, and it very much painted Kilmer in a bad light. I remember thinking it was weird that a superhero wasn't actually nice in real life.
There was an interview with Reginald Veljohnson a couple years ago on a show like Entertainment Tonight about an anniversary of Family Matters. He basically said everyone hated Jaleel White and that he ran into him a coupe years ago and didn't even want to say hello to him or something like that. He seemed annoyed and like he wanted to rant but held back. That surprised me. It wasn't the case of him having fun and trying to stay in the character of Carl not liking Steve either.
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