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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 5, 2023 21:00:56 GMT -5
What makes it more fascinating is seeing new channels actually critique the Change the Channel document and it turns out that while there was a lot of bad things, most of the document is actually complete BS and turns out a lot of the people who left Channel Awesome are also pretty scummy themselves I don't think I've seen this videos The AlmightyLoli reviews all the Channel Awesome movies and does a good job throughout explaining what was legit and what was easy to disprove
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Post by fw91 on Feb 5, 2023 21:36:26 GMT -5
The Brady Bunch- Desipite being extremely popular and perhaps the patriarch of America’s most popular family of its time, Robert Reed hated being on the show and caused problems with the writing staff (even though he loved his cast mates)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 5, 2023 21:49:45 GMT -5
The Sweat Box is a great documentary.
It's how Roger Allers tried to make the Empire in the Sun... only for Disney to hate everything about it.
Despite them getting Sting to do the soundtrack and how it was constantly retooled and the end result was both massively different than the movie Allers wanted to make... but at the same time close enough that he could never actually make that movie.
Not to mention they scrapped all of the music Sting wrote for the movie except for the credits song.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 5, 2023 21:55:13 GMT -5
Yeah, reading about it, it seems like Murray was a real f***ing asshole, to Liu in particular. Reading it all made me feel bad for Drew Barrymore, who it was apparently a big passion project for. Much like Chevy Chase, Murry has always had a reputation of being somewhat difficult to work with. Which is not surprising given the amount of hoops most producers and directors have to jump through to get him involved in their projects. Murray has always had massive mood swings where he can be a great guy one minute than a massive dick the next. He generally got away with it like most did in Hollywood by also being amazingly talented. Like Kubrick who was an amazing film director despite being an absolute asshole not because of.
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Post by Paul on Feb 7, 2023 16:47:36 GMT -5
Boy George and Jon Moss of Culture Club having a very dramatic and secrative affair in the 1980's at the peak of the band's popularity. It's detailed in George's excellent autobiography "Take It Like A Man".
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 8, 2023 7:11:13 GMT -5
The X-odus and formation of Image Comics in the 90’s. Especially how fast image devolved into infighting and unprepared the key shakers were fkr such an undertaking.
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Post by thechase on Feb 8, 2023 7:18:12 GMT -5
JMS' whole fall out with Marvel over Spider-Man, both Sins Past and One More Day, subjects that cloud many a comic book forum and thread to this day. It was essentially comics' Montreal Screwjob. JMS's original version of OMD would have crashed Marvel continuity even further, and the original idea for Sins Past would have probably made Peter 44 or so years old. JMS actually regrets Sins Past more than OMD, which says something. At least Spencer retconned SP at the close of his run, only you had to have lived through the 1990s to understand ANY of it.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 8, 2023 7:25:16 GMT -5
The X-odus and formation of Image Comics in the 90’s. Especially how fast image devolved into infighting and unprepared the key shakers were fkr such an undertaking.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 8, 2023 7:28:45 GMT -5
It was quite shocking to find out that Lea Michelle was a bully on the set on Glee,and it was so toxic backstage that Chris Coffer Left Hollywood and acting altogether. You just assume a show titled "Glee" would be peaceful and loving backstage, as Glee literally means delight.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2023 7:40:47 GMT -5
JMS' whole fall out with Marvel over Spider-Man, both Sins Past and One More Day, subjects that cloud many a comic book forum and thread to this day. It was essentially comics' Montreal Screwjob. JMS's original version of OMD would have crashed Marvel continuity even further, and the original idea for Sins Past would have probably made Peter 44 or so years old. JMS actually regrets Sins Past more than OMD, which says something. At least Spencer retconned SP at the close of his run, only you had to have lived through the 1990s to understand ANY of it. Sins Past is even worse than One More Day, so, correct on their part. At least One More Day, bad as it is, I understand what the point would have been. I have literally no idea what Sins Past was intended to accomplish.
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Post by thechase on Feb 8, 2023 8:29:10 GMT -5
JMS' whole fall out with Marvel over Spider-Man, both Sins Past and One More Day, subjects that cloud many a comic book forum and thread to this day. It was essentially comics' Montreal Screwjob. JMS's original version of OMD would have crashed Marvel continuity even further, and the original idea for Sins Past would have probably made Peter 44 or so years old. JMS actually regrets Sins Past more than OMD, which says something. At least Spencer retconned SP at the close of his run, only you had to have lived through the 1990s to understand ANY of it. Sins Past is even worse than One More Day, so, correct on their part. At least One More Day, bad as it is, I understand what the point would have been. I have literally no idea what Sins Past was intended to accomplish. Ultimately I don't think either of them had a point. OMD may have been devised to end the Spider-marriage in core continuity, but Marvel keep publishing Marriage stories on an irregular basis anyway. They're even starting to acknowledge the marriage was once part of 616 history again (the current mini-series Lost Hunt), so they're still cool with it, all while trolling post-2007 616 readers with rent free carrot-dangling. That in turn leads directly into Marvel confessing their intervention in Nick Spencer's run. Dude was building to some real resolution to OMD, rumours are he was going to undo it, while others claim he'd resolve it to a point and leave a wedding on the table, Marvel stepped in and did something to alter the story, but it remains a secret as to what was changed. All we know is Spencer left Marvel for Substack and has kept quite mum on the subject
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Post by chrom on Feb 8, 2023 9:11:32 GMT -5
It was quite shocking to find out that Lea Michelle was a bully on the set on Glee,and it was so toxic backstage that Chris Coffer Left Hollywood and acting altogether. You just assume a show titled "Glee" would be peaceful and loving backstage, as Glee literally means delight. The happiest looking shows often have the most miserable backstage.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 8, 2023 10:28:32 GMT -5
The "fitness industry" (lol) can be fun at times until you realize that it is 90 % drama and "fitness" means getting as buff as possible in your early twenties and thinking lowly of almost everybody else. "Almost" because there still are lots of "bros". It may be the only "industry" that is full of bros in 2023. Back in the 2000’s the fitness industry got rocked when a former musher Olympus and his fitness model wife got arrested on murder charges, they killed their personal assistant in a drugged up haze. And I remember reading an editorial that declared “I’m not surprised theirs happened. I’m surprised it took this long.”
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Post by schma on Feb 8, 2023 10:30:49 GMT -5
Sins Past is even worse than One More Day, so, correct on their part. At least One More Day, bad as it is, I understand what the point would have been. I have literally no idea what Sins Past was intended to accomplish. Ultimately I don't think either of them had a point. OMD may have been devised to end the Spider-marriage in core continuity, but Marvel keep publishing Marriage stories on an irregular basis anyway. They're even starting to acknowledge the marriage was once part of 616 history again (the current mini-series Lost Hunt), so they're still cool with it, all while trolling post-2007 616 readers with rent free carrot-dangling. That in turn leads directly into Marvel confessing their intervention in Nick Spencer's run. Dude was building to some real resolution to OMD, rumours are he was going to undo it, while others claim he'd resolve it to a point and leave a wedding on the table, Marvel stepped in and did something to alter the story, but it remains a secret as to what was changed. All we know is Spencer left Marvel for Substack and has kept quite mum on the subject I would love for them to retcon one more day. It was such a betrayal of Peter's character and stupid. There were so many better ways to make Peter the one the editors grew up with. One more day is definitely the worse of the two.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 8, 2023 11:25:54 GMT -5
JMS' whole fall out with Marvel over Spider-Man, both Sins Past and One More Day, subjects that cloud many a comic book forum and thread to this day. It was essentially comics' Montreal Screwjob. JMS's original version of OMD would have crashed Marvel continuity even further, and the original idea for Sins Past would have probably made Peter 44 or so years old. JMS actually regrets Sins Past more than OMD, which says something. At least Spencer retconned SP at the close of his run, only you had to have lived through the 1990s to understand ANY of it. Sins Past is even worse than One More Day, so, correct on their part. At least One More Day, bad as it is, I understand what the point would have been. I have literally no idea what Sins Past was intended to accomplish. Sins Past for YEARS was the one story that Marvel wouldn't bring up just to retcon it away. they finally caved and it gave wonderful memes like Mysterio wearing Gwen's clothes seducing Norman.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 8, 2023 11:28:42 GMT -5
Ultimately I don't think either of them had a point. OMD may have been devised to end the Spider-marriage in core continuity, but Marvel keep publishing Marriage stories on an irregular basis anyway. They're even starting to acknowledge the marriage was once part of 616 history again (the current mini-series Lost Hunt), so they're still cool with it, all while trolling post-2007 616 readers with rent free carrot-dangling. That in turn leads directly into Marvel confessing their intervention in Nick Spencer's run. Dude was building to some real resolution to OMD, rumours are he was going to undo it, while others claim he'd resolve it to a point and leave a wedding on the table, Marvel stepped in and did something to alter the story, but it remains a secret as to what was changed. All we know is Spencer left Marvel for Substack and has kept quite mum on the subject I would love for them to retcon one more day. It was such a betrayal of Peter's character and stupid. There were so many better ways to make Peter the one the editors grew up with. One more day is definitely the worse of the two. They kinda did... OMD was a big conspiracy thing and it's over and done with... and MJ and Peter got to ride off into the sunset happily together again.... for like an issue before they moved forward months later and MJ is with a dude named Paul (and might be married to him?) and everyone hates Pete except Norman Osborne cause... shutup... mystery box. the biggest issue I have with that is... Marvel both wants and doesn't want them together... and it's infuriating. if you don't want them together... then stop putting them together or focusing their stories around the two trying to get together (or just Pete obsessed with trying to get her back) CAuse as it is any "new girlfriend" they give Pete is a stunt because they still go all BUT WE ALL KNOW HE ENDS UP WITH MJ! haha...
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Post by schma on Feb 8, 2023 12:30:50 GMT -5
I would love for them to retcon one more day. It was such a betrayal of Peter's character and stupid. There were so many better ways to make Peter the one the editors grew up with. One more day is definitely the worse of the two. They kinda did... OMD was a big conspiracy thing and it's over and done with... and MJ and Peter got to ride off into the sunset happily together again.... for like an issue before they moved forward months later and MJ is with a dude named Paul (and might be married to him?) and everyone hates Pete except Norman Osborne cause... shutup... mystery box. the biggest issue I have with that is... Marvel both wants and doesn't want them together... and it's infuriating. if you don't want them together... then stop putting them together or focusing their stories around the two trying to get together (or just Pete obsessed with trying to get her back) CAuse as it is any "new girlfriend" they give Pete is a stunt because they still go all BUT WE ALL KNOW HE ENDS UP WITH MJ! haha... It feels like every 10 years we get the "this isn't the spider-man we grew up with" stories meant to retcon him to something earlier. The clone saga was originally a way to honour their marriage while still writing it off. One More Day was simply the most egregious example, though admittedly, I fell off about the time Red Goblin was starting. But then I didn't read a single Spider-man between OMD and Superior. That said, that's a terrible bait and switch. It's up there with the relaunch of the multiverse after secret wars where mutants were hated again because reasons and terrigen mists were suddenly giving mutants cancer because status quo.
They need to get out of their own ways sometimes.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 8, 2023 12:48:09 GMT -5
The Brady Bunch- Desipite being extremely popular and perhaps the patriarch of America’s most popular family of its time, Robert Reed hated being on the show and caused problems with the writing staff (even though he loved his cast mates) Which reminds me...TINA LOUISE. Just Tina Louise.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 8, 2023 12:48:42 GMT -5
It was quite shocking to find out that Lea Michelle was a bully on the set on Glee,and it was so toxic backstage that Chris Coffer Left Hollywood and acting altogether. You just assume a show titled "Glee" would be peaceful and loving backstage, as Glee literally means delight. The happiest looking shows often have the most miserable backstage. Yep. Ask Bea Arthur.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 8, 2023 12:53:37 GMT -5
Bill Murray seems to be a guy that everyone KNOWS is can be problematic but feels his talent or the opportunity to work with him outweighs it. He was pretty awful on the set of What About Bob? He threw one of the producers, Laura Ziskin in the lake near the house. And much like throwing her sunglasses he also was noted for throwing some fans cell phone on top of a roof. Richard Dreyfuss hates Bill and when he gets a Bob movie item at a signing he will draw a devil horn and face on Bill's head. On one of Marlon Brando's last or possibly last movie, The Score, he had major problems with Frank Oz. I remember reading someone on the set said Marlon signed 8x10 photos (he could be very difficult to fans about autographs but very nice to people he knew or worked with) but I don't think Frank got one. He also was noted as telling Frank he wants to stick his, Frank's hand up his butt (Marlon's) like a puppet. No idea where Marlon's dislike of Frank came from unless it was simply Frank's work with puppets maybe Marlon didn't respect it. I guess I never realized Bill was even remotely close to as bad as Chevy is. As far as I know, Bill hasn't been racist, but maybe I'm missing something.
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