UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 5, 2023 14:34:53 GMT -5
I feel like WWE/Heyman/everyone involved doesn't remember that this shit was DULL and dead in the water before Sami showed up and they got lucky
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 5, 2023 14:35:22 GMT -5
There’s a real issue these days with creators, and it’s not just in wrestling, feeling that being “unexpected” is automatically good simply BECAUSE it’s unexpected.
They’re obsessed with swerving their audience above all else. They cannot conceive of the idea that sometimes being “predictable” is a good thing because it MAKES SENSE to do it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 14:50:47 GMT -5
Everyone was mad that Cody lost myself included. But then I realized that Cody's story is exactly like his dad's story in NWA. Dusty wanted to win the World Title from Ric Flair but The 4 Horsemen always stopped it from happening. Eventually Dusty won. So I think that's where this is going. Also, Roman is 50 days away from being Champion for 1000 Days, so I think they want him to get there & then he will lose the title. And now, Brock taking Cody out is another barrier for him to get over before getting to his goal. Cody isn’t Dusty. Trying to force them to be 1 to 1 is just not a good way to go. Cody has had his adversity, for a decade+ now. This is just dragging things out for the sake of it. Meanwhile the entire main event scene is still stuck in place, and Raw has no top champion, because Roman isn’t allowed to ever lose.
Not to mention... Cody had his chase. He debuted, and he beat one of the upper-tier guys immediately in Seth Rollins. He tore his pec for a shoot, and then wrestled a whole-ass hell in a cell match with his pec ripped right off the bone.
He comes back and wins the Royal Rumble, despite the injury and ring rust, and he gets that shot against Roman.
WHAT MORE OF A f***ING CHASE DO THEY NEED? DOES CODY NEED TO GET THE 7 DRAGONBALLS TOGETHER FIRST?
And I know I sound like an unhinged lunatic the way I keep voicing my displeasure, but it's just laughably bad and an insult to the art of fictional writing everywhere.
Heyman knows this, too, but he's always (smartly) valued his paycheck and his own ass over anything else.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 5, 2023 14:51:28 GMT -5
I mean, what's he gonna say, "Yeah we dropped the ball there". I'm sure they know it was an unpopular decision.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Apr 5, 2023 15:02:43 GMT -5
He cannot possibly believe this line of horseshit. Granted, I get it, it isn't like he's going to shit all over it in interviews, but it'd have been a whole lot more honest to say something like, "We are doing the story we would have done had he not been injured for months." Like, maybe the idea then would have been him going for the title and having these hijinks, but doing it in a Wrestlemania finish is a different story. Also, where do you go from there? He'd... defend the title against people? Such disingenuous babbling. That would actually make a ton of sense. If Cody doesn't get hurt and finished with Seth at Hell in a Cell in June, he could easily go on to face Roman and SummerSlam instead of Brock (again). If they screw Cody over there, then have him fight back up to win the Rumble and face Roman that would make a lot of sense. To do that same planning with the first match being at WrestleMania though is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 5, 2023 15:04:03 GMT -5
I mean, what's he gonna say, "Yeah we dropped the ball there". I'm sure they know it was an unpopular decision. There's way better ways to spin it. "Yeah, I know that some people might be disappointed that Cody didn't win, but we have a good finale in place for Roman AND with Cody coming up, so we just want to make sure that we stick the landing properly." Now...is that still false? Probably. But, at least it isn't gaslighting your audience into believing that they prefer to get tricked because it'll get them to watch even more. This has Daniel Bryan 2013 vibes all over it.
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Post by J is Justice on Apr 5, 2023 15:07:25 GMT -5
You've done it three times in a row, though. The exact same three chapters in a row with interference, lol. Gee, I wonder what's gonna happen in the next chapter!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:13:44 GMT -5
Idk how there can be another chapter when this f***ing book only has 1 page.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 5, 2023 15:18:35 GMT -5
I have to imagine that if Roman was winning by different means in some of these matches that people might not be as put off, but WWE is kind of infamous for not really using what happens in the ring to tell particularly meaningful stories with any kind of long-reaching implications. Instead it's "don't worry, your hero was 'protected' in defeat because Roman had to cheat", instead of "Roman won, but this time he had to do it this way, which implies x about his character and y about what direction his title run is heading and z about his opponent."
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Post by koreycaskets on Apr 5, 2023 15:19:35 GMT -5
I believe Cody will still beat Roman sort of..
I think down the line there will be a triple threat.. Roman/Cody/Brock
Cody will pin Brock, cuz Brock gives no shits about losing just the payday
And in WWE's mind it keeps Roman looking strong and ready to win it back next Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:22:34 GMT -5
I just... there were so many simple answers to the "...and then what?" and "next chapter of the story" bullshit, and I never even once claimed that I could write shit.
- Cody beats Roman, but only just barely and his ribs are (kayfabe) shattered after Roman hit him with a spear that damn near knocked Cody out of his boots.
- He shows up on Raw the next night, the battered, bruised, broken but defiant new champion... ready to celebrate with his people, the audience.
- Brock comes out and straight up kills Cody like he did on Monday, and then on the next Raw says that Cody's title is his at *insert PPV name here*
- Cody, now even more (kayfabe) injured, still has to be a fighting champion leading up to big showdown with Brock, and every match, even with jobbers, takes a bigger toll on him physically, and maybe even mentally.
- Then you have your Cody/Lesnar match, that you could maybe drag out another 3 months if you wanted to, because you can throw in a pissed off Roman Reigns into the mix, intermingling Roman's crumbling bloodline faction drama into it as well.
See? That took me 5 minutes, and I'm a complete idiot.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 5, 2023 15:25:28 GMT -5
Everyone was mad that Cody lost myself included. But then I realized that Cody's story is exactly like his dad's story in NWA. Dusty wanted to win the World Title from Ric Flair but The 4 Horsemen always stopped it from happening. Eventually Dusty won. So I think that's where this is going. Also, Roman is 50 days away from being Champion for 1000 Days, so I think they want him to get there & then he will lose the title. And now, Brock taking Cody out is another barrier for him to get over before getting to his goal. No, this isn't the 80s, Cody's character is not Dusty's character, hitting 1000 days as champion is utterly meaningless. If they really wanted to do his "Dad's Story," give us a Dusty Finish where he wins the belt the night of Wrestlemania 39 and then have some weird contract thing or replay reveal that he doesn't actually get the champuonship and end the reign. It'd make more sense if we're drawing parallels to his father and wanting him to persevere through similar beats. But at ABSOLUTELY no point as the Cody story been the Dusty story. Even if it was, he's already overcome so much in terms of rebuilding his name, winning hell in a cell with a torn pec, winning the royal rumble, beating all of the Bloodline on the way to Roman. He's gone through it all. Additionally, "Hard Times" was never about obstacles or "bootstraps" or any sort of way revisionist history or wikipedia footnote reads have tried to paint it. "Hard Times" was about being in a time of hopelessness in a landscape of despair but knowing things could be so much worse and so, while being counted out, that you still make your dreams happen. I mean, what's he gonna say, "Yeah we dropped the ball there". I'm sure they know it was an unpopular decision. Honestly, in 2023 that'd probably go a lot further. Look at what it did for Domino's.
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Post by eJm on Apr 5, 2023 15:32:38 GMT -5
I’ll just flat out say if people are saying “he’s barely had a feud, the story’s just begun”, you might as well never bring up the past year ever again because none of that matters storyline wise.
And if that doesn’t matter, nor does anything else that came around it like Sami’s part of the Bloodline angle or Owens’ history with Sami or anything else like that. We’re just picking and choosing storybeats and not looking at it as a whole which, like, is the point of watching a consistently running TV show like a wrestling show can be.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 5, 2023 15:41:43 GMT -5
I mean, what’s Hogan supposed to do if he just beats the Iron Sheik? Become the biggest star of all time? Get real, marks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:43:25 GMT -5
Remember what good business it was when the nWo just won all the time and never got any comeuppance? And where is WCW?
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Post by hbkid718 on Apr 5, 2023 15:43:50 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for their responses on my post. You all make valid points. I should have mentioned that I never watched anything from Dusty Rhodes' feud with The Horsemen, as I only watched WWE starting in 1987. I only read stuff about Dusty, so I guess I was completely wrong. Forget everything that I posted. I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:46:04 GMT -5
That is pure Paul Heyman grade A bullshit of brilliance right there...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:47:38 GMT -5
They are playing with fire here really. It’s a gamble if they think Cody will get over more with the chase. Personally I don’t think he will and the fans will turn on him. Fans are pissed, fed up of Roman & think Cody is a loser. Great job. A rubber chicken is more over than Cody is right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 15:47:57 GMT -5
Idk how there can be another chapter when this f***ing book only has 1 page. at this point it's went full Jack Torrance and just says SMASH 'EM over and over too
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 5, 2023 15:52:04 GMT -5
I mean, what's he gonna say, "Yeah we dropped the ball there". I'm sure they know it was an unpopular decision. The solution to that is don't screw up the writing in the first place. Then Heyman wouldn't have to politic answers to avoid saying "yeah, we suck". Just... don't suck in the first place! It's not that hard! It's not like writing a story that makes sense or sends people home happy is some kind of mystery. TV and movie producers have been doing it forever. The guy gets the girl. The good vanquishes the evil. The fan favourite wins the day. Sure, we're talking a story that runs for 2 years, not 2 hours, but the principle is the same. You can't just have the movie end exactly back where it started, or the bad guy winning, otherwise what was the point? You failed to tell the story about the good guy having to overcome the odds, because he didn't, he sucked, and it was all for nothing. Who's going to come back for Stagnant Misery II: We're Doing It On Purpose?
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