I don't get TNA

[Mayonnaise]

hollywood said:

thestinger said:

TNA does suck sometimes. It sucks whenever it copies the WWE formula. It sucks when they use people like VKM or the Dudleys who bring nothing to the table but the fact that people remember them from WWE.

TNA should strive to have as little in common with WWE as possible, because a lot of fans are sick of that crap. They need to drop the dead weight and BE wrestling. No zombies, or vampires or owners in the damn ring.

I do agree with this.

As do I.

thestinger said:

blackholemark said:

No one in the big 2 is really homegrown.

And when those same three were champions in WCW nobody was going "Those are ECW guys!!"

Actually, I remember them doing this in the highly kayfabed Apter mags a lot. Its how I found out about ECW.

[Joekishi]

maxx420 said:

deannjn said:

Everybody necronomicones that TNA only uses WWE/WCW talent, but why do we have so many people crying over the fact that WCW and ECW talent gets buried in WWE for the dumb reason that "Vince didn't create them"?

Hypocritical double standards. This board wouldn't have as many members without them.

"Why can't WWE just push Benoit to the title? Just because he's not a McMahon-made star! That's so dumb!"
"Why are TNA pushing guys like Christian Cage & Sting? Just because they're big name stars! That's so dumb!"

Yeah that's bugged me.


"Sting and Christian wouldn't get the respect and type of booking they would deserve in WWE"

"Sting and Christian are taking over TNA I hate those guys"

EHeh...

It's the same people complaining, it doesn't make sense to me. I mean I really don't consider the Alpha Male a TNA guy at all anymore. I don't consider Tomko or Christian WWE guys anymore...eheh.i

[Swarm]

kashflagg said:

Know what I got out of this thread?

Swarm thinks TNA sucks and WWE rules and nothing will change his mind. OK, that's fine. Doesn't make other's opinions right or wrong.

QFT at the moment. I wrote a long two year build of TNA a couple of years ago that was based on Styles and Daniels being the two biggest stars...Joe being the third top guy as a bit of a tweener and the fed was run more like ROH than WWE. There was a time I reallty thought TNA could be a sweet fed...they proved me wrong in my eyes...

WWE on the other hand entertaines me week in and week out...wasn't always like that but I've always been loyal...just how it is.

[Danimal]

Cage is on-top because he should be. Angle is on-top because he should be. There has been cases of guys getting pushed because they had a name from their WWE-days. This doesn't qualify. Both are legit main-eventers.

Steiner's promo blew-away anything I've heard from WWE in months.

The x-division definitely needs to be used more, it should be a mainstay. If the second-hour is ever gotten I hope they finally work the x-division again.

There is too-much in terms of angles and promos. Again they desperately need a second hour but still matches should take precedent.

Chris Daniels is starting his biggest feud in a long time. Sting may be past his prime but he has been a consistent main-eventer and Daniels finally getting an opportunity at the upper-card is big.

I wouldn't say TNA couldn't be better but I would still take it over what ECW delivers in the same amount of time.

[Old School Heel mark4Morishima]

Who's "homegrown" talent in TNA? Like someone said it's a perception game. Here's my personal list. Some people might not agree with demanding that indy guys be re-gimmicked before counting as TNA guys. But then again I've given some leeway for WWE midcarders.

I count 8 guys out of I think 30-something who don't strike me as homegrown.

ABYSS - homegrown.
AJ STYLES - homegrown.
ALEX SHELLEY - made his name in ROH, but repackaged enough to be effectively homegrown.
AUSTIN STARR - N/A
CHRIS SABIN - homegrown.
CHRISTIAN CAGE - WWE midcarder, but repackaged enough to count as homegrown.
ERIC YOUNG - home-something.
FALLEN ANGEL - made his name in ROH, but repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
STORM & HARRIS - basically homegrown.
LAX - Made their names elsewhere, but repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
SEROTONIN - repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
JAY LETHAL - made his name in the indies, but as 'Black Machismo' can be considered homegrown.
JEFF JARRETT - owns the damn company. if he's not homegrown who is?
*KURT ANGLE - big name in WWE; still using the same gimmick. not homegrown.
LANCE HOYT - homegrown.
PETEY WILLIAMS - homegrown.
*RHINO - still using the same damn gimmick as in WWE and ECW. not homegrown.
ROBERT ROODE - homegrown.
RON KILLINGS - homegrown.
*SCOTT STEINER - big name in WWE/WCW; still using the same gimmick. not homegrown.
*SAMOA JOE - made his name in ROH. still using the same old gimmick. basically an indie guy on TNA TV, not a TNA guy.
SENSHI - made a name in the indies, but repackaged enough to be homegrown.
*SHANE DOUGLAS - big name elsewhere; still same gimmick; not homegrown.
SHARK BOY - homegrown.
*SONJAY DUTT - made his name in the indies. still using the same old gimmick. basically an indie guy on TNA TV, not a TNA guy.
*STING - not homegrown.
TOMKO - small enough in WWE and reworked enough in TNA to count as homegrown.
*TEAM 3D - not homegrown.
VKM - tossup.

Damn that's a deep roster.

Now, out of those eight, how many are in one of the title scenes? Of the other couple dozen, how many are in one of the title scenes?

[Joe]

hsquat said:

Who's "homegrown" talent in TNA? Like someone said it's a perception game. Here's my personal list. Some people might not agree with demanding that indy guys be re-gimmicked before counting as TNA guys. But then again I've given some leeway for WWE midcarders.

I count 8 guys out of I think 30-something who don't strike me as homegrown.

ABYSS - homegrown.
AJ STYLES - homegrown.
ALEX SHELLEY - made his name in ROH, but repackaged enough to be effectively homegrown.
AUSTIN STARR - N/A
CHRIS SABIN - homegrown.
CHRISTIAN CAGE - WWE midcarder, but repackaged enough to count as homegrown.
ERIC YOUNG - home-something.
FALLEN ANGEL - made his name in ROH, but repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
STORM & HARRIS - basically homegrown.
LAX - Made their names elsewhere, but repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
SEROTONIN - repackaged enough to be considered homegrown.
JAY LETHAL - made his name in the indies, but as 'Black Machismo' can be considered homegrown.
JEFF JARRETT - owns the damn company. if he's not homegrown who is?
*KURT ANGLE - big name in WWE; still using the same gimmick. not homegrown.
LANCE HOYT - homegrown.
PETEY WILLIAMS - homegrown.
*RHINO - still using the same damn gimmick as in WWE and ECW. not homegrown.
ROBERT ROODE - homegrown.
RON KILLINGS - homegrown.
*SCOTT STEINER - big name in WWE/WCW; still using the same gimmick. not homegrown.
*SAMOA JOE - made his name in ROH. still using the same old gimmick. basically an indie guy on TNA TV, not a TNA guy.
SENSHI - made a name in the indies, but repackaged enough to be homegrown.
*SHANE DOUGLAS - big name elsewhere; still same gimmick; not homegrown.
SHARK BOY - homegrown.
*SONJAY DUTT - made his name in the indies. still using the same old gimmick. basically an indie guy on TNA TV, not a TNA guy.
*STING - not homegrown.
TOMKO - small enough in WWE and reworked enough in TNA to count as homegrown.
*TEAM 3D - not homegrown.
VKM - tossup.

Damn that's a deep roster.

Now, out of those eight, how many are in one of the title scenes? Of the other couple dozen, how many are in one of the title scenes?

This is one of the most obvious cases of someone coming up with flawed logic to prove their point.

Christian Cage? Repackaged, so he counts as homegrown talent? So, I guess you're throwing out the TLC matches, the multiple title reigns in WWE and the fact that he was in headline matches there. How the hell has he been repackaged? The only difference in Christian in TNA versus Christian in WWE is that he is portrayed as the number one guy in the federation. Gee, I wonder why?

Cage actually should be on or near the top, though, because he is not a has-been and left WWE pretty much at the height of his popularity and by his choice.

I have no problem with saying Tomko should be pushed, but saying he has been repackaged enough to be considered homegrown talent is a stretch. Exactly how has he been repackaged. When he showed up in TNA, I am almost certain that West or Tenay referred to him as, "the guy who solves problems." Sorry, that's not repackaging.

VKM are a tossup? Here's a rule of thumb: If you were in any way a factor during the Monday Night Wars, you cannot be homegrown. They are also washed up.

This goes for Jeff Jarrett, too. Just because he bought a wrestling company doesn't change the fact that he held five WCW World titles and basically seen as a second-rate guy from a decade ago.

This still adds just a few more people to the list, but the problem is not how many retreads are in TNA, but how many of them monopolize all the TV time and key angles.

AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels should definitely be considered TNA guys. However, they have become, essentially, bit players when in the beginning they were headliners.