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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2007 0:42:34 GMT -5
Personally I don't care if he goes to hotel rooms and tears down the walls as long as he has accountants pay for it all. I have heard he goes to parties sometimes untill four, it's tough to leave when you can't find the door.
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Post by default on Oct 15, 2007 0:53:55 GMT -5
I have heard he goes to parties sometimes untill four, it's tough to leave when you can't find the door. Mamma told him not to come. She said, "That ain't the way to have fun, son."
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Post by Ace Diamond on Oct 15, 2007 0:54:36 GMT -5
I just don't get why everyone cares. "Oh my god he trashed a hotel room, I'm outraged!!" Really what's it got to do with you? Nothing. Cause if I trashed a hotel room on company time i'd be fired, that's why.
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Post by suzieknox on Oct 15, 2007 0:55:39 GMT -5
He's prized because he is a pretty boy and looks good on posters and crap. Really? He always looked like he had a big puffy face to me. Like he was allergic to shrimp and rubbed a bucket of it on his face before he came out.
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Post by Jack on Oct 15, 2007 0:56:00 GMT -5
I just don't get why everyone cares. "Oh my god he trashed a hotel room, I'm outraged!!" Really what's it got to do with you? Nothing. Cause if I trashed a hotel room on company time i'd be fired, that's why. Presumably if you were in a hotel room you wouldn't be on "company time" unless you're a hooker with a PLC behind you.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2007 0:58:10 GMT -5
Cause if I trashed a hotel room on company time i'd be fired, that's why. Presumably if you were in a hotel room you wouldn't be on "company time" unless you're a hooker with a PLC behind you. Or you're Tom Bodett. But the most carnage you'd wreak if you were Tom Bodett is to give the hotel high electric bills.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Oct 15, 2007 1:00:46 GMT -5
He just seems like a very unlikeable guy to me. Yes, I know, I've never met him personally and I'm not supposed to judge a wrestler based on (lots of) reports I've heard about him unless his name is Bret Hart and then it's somehow ok and must be true, but going from what I've heard and what I've heard only, he sounds completely up his own ass. My thoughts exactly, plus he just looks like an ahole.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Oct 15, 2007 1:02:57 GMT -5
You know for all the people bashing Randy(which I compliment myself for not going full bore in this thread) and getting call to the carpet for heresay, the same could be say for everyone jumping to defend him. At the end of the day, ya know what I don't care he trashed a hotel room or smoked crack with Gary Coleman, I just don't like him. He bores me. I think he sucks. Nothing you can say will change my mind unless I WANT it to be changed.
Fact is some people like him and some people don't.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2007 1:02:59 GMT -5
He just seems like a very unlikeable guy to me. Yes, I know, I've never met him personally and I'm not supposed to judge a wrestler based on (lots of) reports I've heard about him unless his name is Bret Hart and then it's somehow ok and must be true, but going from what I've heard and what I've heard only, he sounds completely up his own ass. My thoughts exactly, plus he just looks like an ahole. Isn't he sposed to though? He is a heel.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Oct 15, 2007 1:05:00 GMT -5
yeah if it were his intent, but during his face run he looked just as arrogant.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Oct 15, 2007 10:06:40 GMT -5
Randy Orton as champ= A good day in Whiteyland ;D
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Post by Squirrel Master on Oct 15, 2007 11:15:50 GMT -5
I cheered when he won his first World Championship. And I cheer for him now, too. I mark for the Orton Punt. The kid is a winner and for sure there will be more WWE title reigns in his future. His demeanor during promos indicates that he's all business. Randy never phones it in, and he toys with our emotions the way a good heel should. And he stalks his prey like the big cats of Africa. The words of Ric Flair come to mind: "Whether you like it, or you don't like it, you better learn to love it, 'cause it's the best thing going today!"
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Post by bitteroldman on Oct 15, 2007 19:26:18 GMT -5
What can I say, Orton rubs me the wrong way. I don't care that he trashed a hotel room or made a dookie in someone's purse but whenever he's on I change the channel. X-Pac heat.
And not that it matters (but I thought it would be fodder for those who do care), Randy learned his churlish ways at the feet of a master. Comments in the old school wrestling board by Dusty Wolfe that Bob Jr. is a major douche.
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Post by infrared on Oct 15, 2007 19:32:25 GMT -5
Because trashing hotel rooms is perfectly normal. But seriously, Orton is probably a good reason why the wellness program is a joke.
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Post by randomranter on Oct 15, 2007 19:53:30 GMT -5
Cause if I trashed a hotel room on company time i'd be fired, that's why. Presumably if you were in a hotel room you wouldn't be on "company time" unless you're a hooker with a PLC behind you. That's a bit misleading. Many people who travel on business have their hotel rooms paid for by the company. They may only be getting paid for the 8-hour business day, but they're responsible for their actions 24/7. If they get busted for DUI while on a business trip and/or in a company car (or a car rented by the company).......gone. If they trash the hotel room......gone. Basically, they're expected to act in a professional manner all day, every day, while on business -- on duty or off. If they screw up.......gone. To get back on track, there are a number of reasons to dislike Randy orton, and they've all been repeatedly stated in this thread: 1) He's a deserter. Yes, some people take that very seriously. 2) He destroyed a hotel room. Rhyno destroyed a plant, and got fired for it. 3) He's gotten repeated (and some would argue undeserved) pushes largely because of his heritage and connections while others who are far more deserving are lucky to be languishing in the midcard. 4) He was very bland in the ring, though I will say that he's improved over the past few months. 5) He's walked away from multiple violations of the wellness policy relatively unscathed (outside of the token punishments that they gave him to show the media how "serious" they are.) 6) Fan reports largely report that he's a world-class asshole.
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 15, 2007 20:11:03 GMT -5
I don't know enough to comment of that situation. But this was 8-9 years ago. Isn't is time to move on?
And people bring it up CONSTANTLY. Every Orton thread.Kurt Angle got a DUI and no one's demanding he get fired/suspended. Nobody's that bothered to tell you the truth. Which one is more important and serious?
Put it this way: how many people die per year from hotel room wrecking? And how many die from drink driving?
But somehow Kurt's mistake's are pushed under the rug and forgotten. Whereas Randy will still be hearing about the hotel room thing years from now.
This explains David Flair's huge push and various world title runs in WWE.
So...he has been punished and he hasn't?
As for the wellness policy violations....I'd say 80% of the roster have been repreatedly using steroids since Febuary 2006. Some have failed tests (Matt Hardy, Booker) shown up on lists (Rey, Kennedy,Umaga) and some it's so blatantly obvious they're on something even if they havn't failed anything (Lashley, HHH). However Orton seems to be the only one people care about though (and Ken Kennedy but only because of his hypocrisy on the whole thing) Why is that? Is it a moral issue? Or was he just dumb enough to get caught?
I've heard of and seen incidents where fans can be unbelievably rude to wrestlers (interrupting them during meals, demanding pictures rather than asking..etc). Orton himself admitted in an interview that he did sometimes lose it with fans who came up to him with ten or so things to sign (for ebay presumably) and told him to sign because "it's your job".
Not that I'm seeing he's never been rude to anyone but there's are two sides to every story.
Oh, who cares? It's always big bad bully Orton versus the poor little wrestling fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2007 20:29:20 GMT -5
People act like trashing a hotel room is murder or something. Which rockstar/wrestler/drunk person hasn't trashed a hotel room?
This is the last thing I'll say until next months "Orton is teh suck" thread.
Not liking Orton because you feel he isn't that great of a worker, or he's bad on the mic or his character doesn't do anything for you, is all legit.
But the constant obsession people have with his "attitude" and "backstage behavior" is just plain sad.
Vince Mcmahon pays him. If he wants to pay a hotel trashing, steroid using, fan abusing douche. Than it's his prerogative.
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Post by randomranter on Oct 15, 2007 20:32:05 GMT -5
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that other wrestlers have done far less and got fired for it. Orton, on the other hand, walked away unscathed. I didn't say that everybody with a family history or the right connections gets pushed. I said that one of the reasons Orton has been heavily pushed is because of his history and connections. Big difference. Yes, the fact that he does have talent and the look that Vince likes are also reasons. But I don't think you're dumb enough to really believe that his heritage and connections haven't played a role in both his continued and repeated pushes, along with the "protected" status he currently has. There are those with more charisma, better bodies, but less connections/heritage than Orton who will probably remain forever stuck in mid-card hell. People don't necessarily care that he violated the wellness policy repeatedly. As you said, 80% of the roster is probably guilty of the same thing or more. What people keep harping all over Orton for is that he gets repeatedly caught....... and doesn't get anything above a token punishment.. No serious jobbing. No real de-push, Main event-level push upon return, etc. Um....this has been a part of the entertainment business since the dawn of time. Don't you think that wrestlers who are known as "genuinely nice guys" have rude, demanding jerks for fans who interrupt their dinners and ask them to pose for 42 pictures and sign 35 things? Of course they do. But they know how to handle it properly. But the general trend is that Randy is a world class douche. And I doubt it's because he's unlucky enough to constantly run into the fans from hell.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Oct 15, 2007 20:33:23 GMT -5
But the constant obsession people have with his "attitude" and "backstage behavior" is just plain sad. Tell that to everybody harping on HHH, HBK, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, and anybody else at any time ever who did something major outside of the ring and was either punished for it or caught the ire of the Internet. Either you acknowledge it all, or you acknowledge none of it. And another thing, deserting the military I find to be a lot like what Pete Rose did, in that if we're not going to ever forgive him for that, why should we forgive Randy for not wanting to serve his country like he signed up for?
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 15, 2007 20:48:01 GMT -5
Of course the bigger stars are treated less severely. See also, the JBL/Blue meanie incident. So, it's not fair. Take that up with Vince.
I've never denied his family connections likely got him the developmental contract (same with Flair). But if he had as little talent as you claim he would have went the same way as David and Horace Hogan.
I tend to think his continued pushes were because they're lacking in stars they've lost so many people over the past few years (Big show, Austin, Rock, Brock, RVD) And he is the right size for WWE.
Repeatedly? Well, twice. (in August 2006 and the latest signatue scandal).
I would still understand your point, except Rey Mysterio's name has constantly emerged in these scandals (signature, Astin) and no-one is demanding he be punished. He's never even been suspended. Hypocrisy?
Randy may not have as much patience as Cena or some other people. Does that still mean he's 100% in the wrong? I guess the obnoxious fan is blameless?
Honestly, I think a lot of times the fans he runs into are rude to him, he's rude back and then they get home and run straight to the computer because they have another great story of Orton being a douche. Rather than if they had a bad expereince with another wrestler (that would be a less juicy story)
I myself have read and saw pics of good Orton fan experiences, you tend not to hear about them though.
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