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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 31, 2021 9:47:03 GMT -5
Given how she injured Kairi three weeks in a row last year, why is Nia still there? Because Vince still thinks he can convince The Rock to come back and put over Roman at a future WM and they can't take even the smallest appropriate action against any member of that family such as sending Uce 1 and Uce 2 to rehab or taking Nia off TV in favor of sending her back for more training without fear (no matter if unfounded or legitimate) of angering The Rock and that dream match going poof. Also, why even bother having a Performance Center if talents like Nia and Omos know they've got a guaranteed TV spot without having to improve in the ring thanks to their size?
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 28, 2021 3:01:53 GMT -5
I mean I get that he has to say that because the company he's with isn't in favor of opening "the forbidden door" and their main competitor is starting to attract talent because they have embraced opening "the forbidden door", most notably signing one of the guys who mainevented Wrestlemania this year specifically because they offered him that opportunity as part of his contract, but I can't even see where he's coming from here.
Like a bunch of the comments here are "I can see his point"... and I'm like, I'm glad someone can because this dude who has previously benefited from deals like this between companies and is comparing it to a sport that literally loans out players has completely lost me.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 26, 2021 13:07:19 GMT -5
At All Out Punk asks the audience to take a little survey, while Bryan running knees Schiavone through a table and announces the formation of The IndieSiders.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 23, 2021 2:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah, they definitely need to space these debuts out a bit and let everyone have their own special moment.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 22, 2021 14:19:17 GMT -5
I think he can keep some of the stuff that made him popular in WWE (similar to Punk keeping Cult of Personality, BITW catchphrase, and the iconic white shirt), but the overall presentation should have quite a bit of the American Dragon/ROH elements. If you're TNT and Tony Khan, you for sure want the visual of the crowd doing the YES chants during his debut. As for his debut itself, think about how the company he's leaving would debut specifically him (aka getting jumped and made to look incompetent just to get cheap heat on someone, and then wonder why it didn't move the needle), then do the opposite. Give him a cool entrance, maybe he rescues a babyface from a beatdown, maybe he has a staredown with some dream opponent like Omega or one of the NJPW guys (even if it's not his first feud, it would serve as a long term tease for the eventual showdown). Keep it simple, give your audience a special moment, and present it like a major wrestling star has just joined your company. I don't watch regular AEW regularly (will check in more often because of Punk) but would I be out of touch that I would want Bryan to debut align with Punk, have Wyatt join them and maybe Moxley to form a heel ex WWE stable? Sure Punk kind have thrown all of that out of the window with the "I left pro wrestling in 2005," line, but would a heel stable of guys who say We Made It "Over there," and nobody would be talking about this company without us," help make new stars of homegrown AEW talent? I could see that at some point and I think something like what you've outlined could be really great, but I'm not sure if that would be the correct move right out the gate. It would definitely be a curveball and obviously there are the Hall and Nash comparisons being made since the rumors first circulated. I just think maybe you ride the fan adoration for them for a bit before thinking about turning either heel. All I know is I probably won't be disappointed in what they do because above anything else these guys are master storytellers.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 22, 2021 3:48:11 GMT -5
Great talent, but I get the impression she could be on her way out of wrestling altogether. I don't think she has the right attitude for the business, it seems like she's almost living her gimmick like Warrior and Michaels at their absolute worst. The anti-vaxx garbage that she has apparently bought in to on top of that doesn't do her any favors.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 21, 2021 21:12:19 GMT -5
The Final Countdown is more iconic for Bryan Danielson Ride of the Valkyries is synonymous with the YES chants and bearded "WWE machine" Bryan. I think I speak for most Bryan fans when I say I want ROH Danielson back with the plain maroon tights, shaved head, Cattle Mutilation, Final Countdown, streamers etc. Not the WWE version we've seen over the past 10 years. I don't want to see any Yes'ing or "Goat/Beard" crap. Imo, you’re underselling the impact of how his wwe character traits made him a super star. I get wanting more Danielson qualities if you were a long time Indy fan, but I wouldn’t call it crap. I think he can keep some of the stuff that made him popular in WWE (similar to Punk keeping Cult of Personality, BITW catchphrase, and the iconic white shirt), but the overall presentation should have quite a bit of the American Dragon/ROH elements. If you're TNT and Tony Khan, you for sure want the visual of the crowd doing the YES chants during his debut. As for his debut itself, think about how the company he's leaving would debut specifically him (aka getting jumped and made to look incompetent just to get cheap heat on someone, and then wonder why it didn't move the needle), then do the opposite. Give him a cool entrance, maybe he rescues a babyface from a beatdown, maybe he has a staredown with some dream opponent like Omega or one of the NJPW guys (even if it's not his first feud, it would serve as a long term tease for the eventual showdown). Keep it simple, give your audience a special moment, and present it like a major wrestling star has just joined your company.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 20, 2021 22:21:50 GMT -5
The AEW product feels so hot. A ton of young acts that are over getting prominent spots on TV. Veterans used in a way that makes them feel fresh and valued while being mindful to use their name value to give a rub to the next generation. Fresh matches, not just week after week of rematches. And such a fun atmosphere. I hope it can stay this way. I'm rooting for them.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 20, 2021 21:10:06 GMT -5
I didn't think it was possible that a wrestling company could still give their audience what they're asking for.
Novel concept.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 20, 2021 21:04:30 GMT -5
Home run for AEW. Perfection.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 20, 2021 4:47:56 GMT -5
Looking forward to this.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 9, 2021 15:38:16 GMT -5
Don't they run through non-McMahon family executives rather quickly? Not sure why this guy would be any different unless they're cashing out like some have theorized.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 9, 2021 14:55:54 GMT -5
The very thought that this is something that could actually happen given the braintrust currently in charge of talent relations and creative is so cynical and bleak to me.
It'd be a huge step backwards and a slap in the face to their current female talent and talent that's recently been released.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 9, 2021 14:06:29 GMT -5
They're literally going to try everything to "create stars" except give proven performers compelling storylines, strongly book people that fans genuinely connect with, and produce villains they hate and heroes they love.
Like, it's not as difficult as they make it out to be. It just isn't.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 2, 2021 5:51:30 GMT -5
I know it shouldn't be surprising since the guy in charge is a lunatic, but I'm just in awe that they could really blow it with Cole. He was always an indie guy that stood out to me as someone they'd actually like on the main roster and Vince could semi-get behind/learn to love similar to Punk and Rollins. I'm really confused at a lot of the recent moves WWE has made or allowed to happen. Are they trying to overload AEW with talent so that their fans start to get upset about guys they like not getting pushed, too?
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 24, 2021 1:32:43 GMT -5
Hype them up, present them as big stars, and let them do their thing.
I know the common wisdom is to bring them both in as faces and I don't disagree with that at first for sure, but somewhere down the line wrestling purist heel Danielson vs. Orange Cassidy and straight edge heel Punk vs. Adam Page would be really good feuds. One thing to factor in is I figure many of Danielson's feuds could be centered around NJPW opponents since that would be a big part of his deal and where most of his dream matches are at, and they can do slower builds to the more anticipated AEW feuds for him, like a match between him and Omega should probably have a long teased build. I'm not sure if Punk would ask to have NJPW as part of his deal but I'd be interested to see what he could do with them as well. A lot of fun possibilities with these two especially if they're in control of their characters and who they work with.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 23, 2021 20:16:31 GMT -5
I still find him being a late addition to this year's wm main event weird. He's the kind of guy that should have a big marque match set for months not a back-up plan. Yep. He was the perfect dude to put in one of those mostly PPV matches-only special attraction slots where it's made to be a big deal to face him and it was painfully obvious right after The Planet's Champion run that they had no idea how to pull that off. He spent his last year with them spinning his wheels doing good TV matches with hardly any story. Such a waste. I have to think he kinda sensed that and it played a part. It looked like in terms of presentation he was going to be booked close to what Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio are now, whereas AEW and NJPW will likely see value in presenting him more like a later years Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Brock, and Undertaker. I don't understand why WWE makes some things more difficult than they have to.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 23, 2021 16:20:39 GMT -5
I tend to believe this is true. He did everything the right way and put over everyone he could, including WWE's top star, which is usually a good indication someone is on their way out. I think he knows it's now or never to do the NJPW/Tokyo Dome stuff he's been talking up for years and at the same time he gets to be a part of helping further build a fresh company. Will be interesting to see what kind of schedule he works.
As for WWE, there's an open spot for a top fan favorite babyface. I'd love to see Big E stake his claim to that as I know he's someone Bryan advocated for really hard as part of the creative team.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 23, 2021 15:42:54 GMT -5
If true, why are Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano still in the "developmental" territory?
I feel like WWE is especially blowing it with Cole who has the star quality to rise beyond just smark/indie darling status. They're just wasting his best years.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 21, 2021 21:48:02 GMT -5
I believe there's something to the Danielson news (even though I'm not sure about the source). Lighter schedule/special attraction booking, similar pay, creative control, and working for multiple promotions in multiple countries like he's said he wanted to? Only difficulty would have to be saying goodbye to a company he's spent a good portion of his career with that's treated him good for the most part (bad booking when he was at his peak popularity not withstanding).
The Punk news is a bit harder to believe since he's been out for so long, but a comeback helps him stay relevant and would be some good mainstream publicity for AEW, a good pay day for him, and helps legitimize a true WWE competitor which was a main gripe of his Once Upon A Pipe Bomb. Again I think it would be a special attraction type deal. Maybe he got word someone whose wrestling insight he trusts and respects was heading there and that put him more at ease to sign with them after reports a few months ago that he was unsure about Cody and the EVP crew. Interesting both these rumors leak out there on the same day.
Biggest question if both rumors turn out to be true is would they debut together as an Outsiders/Invasion angle deal (maybe aligned with NJPW/Bullet Club) or are they better off doing their own thing? I think there's good arguments to be made in favor of both.
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