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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 21:23:56 GMT -5
I didn't mean money wise, I meant rating wise. They are doing almost half of what they used to do during the Attitude Era. I think that is why they are doing some of the nostalgic stuff, such as The Rock, Booker T and Diesel. Diesel and Booker T had bigger pops at the Royal Rumble more than anyone else and there is a reason for that.Yeah, because they were surprise returning nostalgia cameo acts. Put Booker T or Kevin Nash out there every week and watch that reaction turn into something more muted in no time at all.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 21:19:00 GMT -5
King Sheamus: 1-9-0 Hot damn that's terrible, lol And 1-14 since winning KotR (and the win was a tag match, that he didn't get the pin in). I'm crying. I like this topic. Although I always keep my records from the Raw after WrestleMania to the next WrestleMania.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 21:06:37 GMT -5
Am I the only person who sees goatse when seeing the Corre logo?
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 18:06:39 GMT -5
Better a has-been than a never-was.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 16:22:54 GMT -5
Is WWE finally delivering?
I hope so, because I hate having to walk in this weather just to pick up my John Cena Ham Sandwich and Macho Nacho Platter.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 9:45:57 GMT -5
yeah but what happens when Rey Mysterio wins. again. what's his 'Mania record anyway? 10000000000000-0 I mean, 4-2. He lost his first two matches and won his last four.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 5:23:25 GMT -5
The-Contrabulous-Fabtraption-of-Professor-Horatio-Hufnagel
Hyphens rock.
Okay, seriously?
Benoit.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 5:15:47 GMT -5
But Al's point is made against those who don't get that. Those who hear third-hand dirtsheet information and think they've seen behind the curtain. Those who take that information, proclaim the sky is falling because their favourite isn't on top, and then hand over their cash to see the folks who are on top anyway. You know they're watching it - they do nothing but bitch and moan about it, week in, week out, month in, month out. It's fine to be a fan, to support your favourites, and so on. But a 'smart mark' is still, for better or worse, an outsider, a fan. Someone of that ilk claiming they know more about the business, and that they could book and run the business better than someone who has been deeply involved for years is stupid - and from an insider's point of view, could be seen as just as arrogant as Al's points are to an outsider. If Al Snow was only railing against the arrogant and the plain idiotic, that's one thing. But he derided the entire concept of alternative means of determining which match was the best besides the one he himself uses! It's still the same stuff. Fans think their favourites should be pushed and think they're better/more interesting/stronger characters than they might be. Wrestling pisses on you if you follow the party line and it pisses on you if you don't. Yeah, it sucks when unqualified people tell you how to do things. Wrestling extends it to "it sucks when unqualified people say words." I'm not really debating Al Snow's specific comments but the entire dynamic between professional wrestling and it's fanbase.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 5:04:32 GMT -5
Bad example, considering the creators DID do this. *shrug* Only if you think they were right to do so. In which case, you probably disagreed with the entire post anyway.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 4:42:03 GMT -5
Although some of Al's comments may have seemed a little cold and mercenary to people interested in seeing good wrestling, from a business point of view, he makes absolute sense. If you have any emotional investment in wrestling, and pay to see it - you're a mark, no matter how much you believe you know about what's going on behind the scenes. If you're on the other side of the curtain, doing your part to carefully shape and manipulate the emotional investment of marks to maximise profitability, you're in the business. There are no shades of grey about that. Regarding Wrestlemania III, Savage vs Steamboat may have been the better technical match. But if Hogan vs Andre wasn't on the marquee, no-one would have seen Savage vs Steamboat in the first place, and everyone's paychecks would have been a lot smaller. Wrestling is a business. Businesses exist to make as much money as they can. So from an insider point of view, the match that draws the most people and makes the most money for the company as a whole is the best match. If the best technical matches or most insane high-flying moves were the biggest overall draw in wrestling, strong amateur wrestlers or indy spot-monkeys would forever be on top of the business. But they're not. The folks who are the best all-round entertainers are at the top of the card. Tthey draw the broadest fanbase, sell the most tickets and PPV buys, and shift a ton of merchandise. Daniel Bryan might go out there and put on a clinic with William Regal. John Morrison might bust out crazy parkour moves while getting brutalised by Sheamus. But you can bet your life they're glad for the number of people drawn by the supposedly inferior Cena and Miz in the main event when their paycheck arrives. Yes? And? Therefore? Not trying to rude, but pretty much everything's a business. TV shows, movies, music, plays, video games, books, food, clothes, sports, pro wrestling. We know this. From a business perspective, that which makes the most money overall is the "best." We know this too. So Al Snow thinks everyone is a moron and has to explain that from a business perspective, the best match is the match that does best from a business perspective (thanks, Al!)? If I show you my favourite t-shirt and tell you I think it's the best, who the f*** who tell me I'm stupid, never made a t-shirt in my life and then treat me like a child and explain slowly that the t-shirt that made the most money was the best t-shirt from a business perspective? Al Snow, most people in the wrestling business and a large portion of the fanbase apparently. And then people would applaud him for pointing out the most basic thing possible about business! And even better, wrestlers can be so deluded to think you couldn't possibly know this unless you were involved in wrestling for years, maybe even decades!
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 3:45:12 GMT -5
The problem is, though, that most avenues of entertainment have a problem with a fan crossing the boundary. By this I mean, a fan is a fan is a fan is a fan is a fan. They have their theories, their own views, and this is fine. What happens though is that many fans presume that what they have read on the internet means that they have ascended to something beyond a fan, and it can be disrespectful. Like, say, approaching a wrestler using their real name. It screams "I'm one of you guys" when that simply isn't the case. This isn't just wrestling, either. Like I said in an earlier post, "armchair coaches" is a term thrown around by many sports coaches who are literally being told how to do their job. This lack of respect creates a disgust, and unfortunately generalizations are made. Which is fine and all, but not really the point. Yeah, of course some will get pissed off at people who go "you should have taken the armbar better, dude" just like I'm sure Patrick Stewart would be rolling his eyes if I said "You should have used this inflection in this line in Waiting For Godot, Pat" but that's not what my post was about anyway. This isn't about people intruding too much, wrestlers don't just complain when someone calls Triple H "Paul" and tries to tell him how to "really do the Pedigree" they complain when you like a match, and when you don't like it. They scoff when you like a face and treat you with disdain if you like a heel. Yeah, fans don't have the same perspective, blah blah blah, but I never saw a half-decent person rail on someone for liking one movie more than another, even if the other one made more money. I never saw a half-decent person rail on someone for liking the bad guy in a movie, even if you were supposed to sympathise with the protagonist. And I never, in my life, saw a half-decent person prop up a situation where you're called a gullible idiot if you suspend your disbelief and an obnoxious idiot if you don't. But in wrestling, I do.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Feb 24, 2011 3:27:54 GMT -5
Al Snow is a dinosaur.
It's 2011, this carny bulls*** where people in the business look down on fans and ignore any input has to end sometime.
The entire terminology and attitude of wrestling is one of profound disrespect to its fanbase. One where you're an easily duped idiot if you follow the storylines and where you're an arrogant idiot if you follow the wrestlers. Well, f*** that. People follow different things for different reasons and they're not idiots one way or the other.
You might watch your favourite sports team and care about their season, what a mark that makes you! But you read stories about pre-season training and athlete's conditioning, their (and coaches) views on the season and so on? Smart mark!
You watched Lost and tried to think of theories and explanations for events in the show? lol, what a dumb mark. You thought season 1 was better than season 2 or they shouldn't have killed off someone? f*** you, smart mark, you've never been on TV or produced an award-winning show, how dare you presume to comment!
Whether or not Al Snow feels this way isn't relevant to the overall topic. In general, however, Spanky nailed it. Wrestling looks down on its audience just as much as those who hate it do. That's got to stop sometime.
I'm not a mark or a smart mark or a jabroni or whatever piece of bulls*** late 19th century carny phrases you want to use. I'm a fan. That means my favourite wrestler is the one I like the most, and my favourite match is the one I enjoy the most. I like watching it, and I like reading about behind the scenes stuff too. Just like I enjoy directory's commentaries and documentaries about movies.
You're not duping me, pro wrestling. You think you are, with your logical fallacious catch-22 scenarios where people can call anyone, with any opinion, a mark or smart mark or whatever they want, but you're not. I'm a fan, get used to it.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Jan 8, 2011 3:47:25 GMT -5
Now that Michelle has finished trolling the U.S. just wait until she debuts her new music, Honō No Fighter, next week to start trolling Japanese fans.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 28, 2010 5:19:40 GMT -5
Gabriel always pauses before delivering the 450 splash.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 28, 2010 5:13:42 GMT -5
Just make that years HOF WCW themed.
First, have all the inductees run down Ric Flair. Then announce the first big WCW induction, Lex Luger. Let him stumble over his speech, drawing boos from the crowd, then bring out Flair to save the day with an epic promo putting everyone over, then remove him from the building again.
Kevin Nash and Scott Hall will demand to be inducted. Scott Hall takes a survey, but because the WWE hates their fans, they dismiss the results whatever they are.
Hulk Hogan appears and states that the HOF is only for the elite, the best of the best, the greatest in the industry. Then he inducts Ed Leslie and the Nasty Boys.
Sting sits out the first hour only to be inducted in the second. Four seconds later, the ring is stripped from him for no real reason and given to Hulk Hogan.
Hulk Hogan then makes a second appearance promising an ultimate induction. A real warrior of the ring. Then have him posthumously induct the Renegade.
Have Eric Bischoff declare this the nWo themed HOF, then waste an hour changing the set until everyone switches off. Koko B Ware forms the HOF B-Team with Virgil.
Induct the Macho Man, accompanied by the Bellas and when they laugh at the lame jokes in his speech, SEND FOR THE MAN.
Show an epic hype video for the induction of Bill Goldberg. As soon as he is inducted and accepts his ring, take the ring away from him and keep him off the screen for the rest of the show but add more close ups of Kevin Nash.
Arli$$ for the celebrity wing.
Have Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo come out three quarters of the way through, strip the inductees thus far of their rings and try and start the whole thing over by trying to induct Buff Bagwell and Jeff Jarrett.
With one minute remaining, have Shane McMahon arrive and announce that the name on the WCW HOF contracts say McMahon, but not Vince McMahon! These action figure contracted superstars will kick Vince's ass just like it did before but this time in the merchandise industry!
Woahwe'reouttatimefolksgottagoseeyouthisthursdayforthunder!
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 28, 2010 4:48:10 GMT -5
And he never did cash in that title opportunity...unless.. Unless I'm missing something... yes, he did.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 28, 2010 4:44:42 GMT -5
King Sheamus loves to job. That's really all I've gathered from it so far.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 26, 2010 22:38:17 GMT -5
Well, they both have 8 years experience in WWE, so I guess it's not so strange to call them veterans in today's WWE.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 26, 2010 16:11:46 GMT -5
Hey, Sega's genius is what got them bought out, erm I mean, a merger with, yeah, that's it, Sammy.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 26, 2010 4:34:15 GMT -5
I'd only change one thing. He should be interrupting people with the horn before his music starts. Oh, and I'd have four identical cars coming in from all four corners of the arena, and no one knows which one he's in, kind of like with the President, only double because he's Alberto Del Rio. He'd then have a bunch of retired tough-guy legends (Vader, Terry Funk, etc) escort him to the ring through the crowd. They don't even get paid much, but they're happy to do it because he's Alberto Del Rio. He'd then stand on the apron of the ring and have the Golden Shower behind him, severely burning the front row and announcers, but it doesn't matter because he's Alberto Del Rio, and he can pay for them to all get the best medical treatment. But it will be worth it just to annouce the arrival of Alberto Del Rio, because he's Alberto Del Rio. All because he's Alberto Del Rio. But you all ready knew that. *winks*
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