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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 21:36:31 GMT -5
this. is. dumb. sounds like wwe. buy the competition them wonder why revenue is down and people arent working Except UFC's revenue isn't down and Strikeforce wasn't even what I would consider competition for them anyway. At least not in the way that WCW was for WWE. On top of that Strikeforce is still operating as its own entity seperate from UFC, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 21:18:28 GMT -5
10 years ago WWE bought WCW and became pretty much the only show in town. Now UFC buys out Strikeforce and becomes the only major MMA act in North America. Huh. Ten years ago within the same weeks Zuffa bought UFC and WWE bought WCW/ECW.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 21:17:37 GMT -5
Dana says they'll be run as seperate entities, but he said the same thing about Pride. It benefits his roster most to let Strikeforce finish out their booked shows and then absorb them and all of their fighters. There is a lot of differences between Strikeforce/Pride. For starters he couldn't secure a TV deal with Pride which basically rendered the whole separate entities thing useless. Strikeforce has a contract with Showtime that lasts at least a couple of more years so we're basically guaranteed two more years of Strikeforce. I do imagine that they'll eventually fold into one another, though.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 21:14:30 GMT -5
Zuffa would not be interested nor would Dana White. Honestly why would they even entertain the idea when they themselves just acquired Strikeforce? So they can just take the money and run? Isn't UFC at its peak now? Who knows if they're at their peak. They could continue getting more popular and generating more revenue for years to come. If that's the case then they are very much not at their peak.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 21:02:01 GMT -5
There's a better chance of Zuffa buying WWE.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 12:22:58 GMT -5
Honestly, most Rey Mysterio matches from the past few years that people hold up as great I didn't much like in the first place. Not seen his series with Jericho, but - though I love Ziggler - I thought their work together was dreadfully boring, and del Rio has yet to put on a great match in my opinion. As for this, I really doubt it but I'd love nothing more than to see Cody beat him down, unmask him, and send him packing. There's no excuse to have not seen the Jericho/Rey series. Watch them in order and enjoy the psychology from match to match. It's like a progression and it's amazing. The Ziggler/Rey matches were really good, like his match with Cena(Ziggler's). And the Cody thing would be terrible.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 12:21:14 GMT -5
She deleted her twitter.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 12:16:10 GMT -5
But none of Jericho's matches matched up to those. He didn't make Batista look that good, Cena look that good, Edge look that good. It was obviously a two person gig. His matches with punk on raw a few years ago were amazing,as were his michaels,christian,evan bourne,and ricky steamboat matches. I also loved his raw cage match with batista. Hey im not saying rey mysterio isnt good(hes one of my favorite wrestlers ever) and I loved his matches with jericho and dig his matches generally but...jerichos had some really really awesome matches since becoming srs. And he has made people look good. Look at the legends match at mania a few years ago. Sure ricky steamboat didnt need to look good but man...he made piper look terrific and pipers had health scares and hip replacements. I don't think Jericho has had any great matches with Christian and I personally hated the cage match with Batista but of course the other matches were good - he was working with a good hand in the ring as well. This isn't a dig at Jericho at all, as Jericho can carry a good match out of a bad worker but it takes two great workers to make a great match(see: Jericho/Rey, Jericho/HBK, Jericho/Punk)
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 12:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 12:03:08 GMT -5
I guess rewatching the Jericho/Rey series of matches and thinking they were some of the best matches of the past few years with terrific psychology from match to match was completely false. My bad. Jericho made it good. im srs. Jericho makes everybody look good. But none of Jericho's matches matched up to those. He didn't make Batista look that good, Cena look that good, Edge look that good. It was obviously a two person gig.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:59:42 GMT -5
I can go on this for looooong time. HE isnt good in ring worker any more. For last few years he sucked like nobody else. The Rey/Ziggler matches were good. As was Rey/Del Rio. Rey can work a good match with anybody...the resentment he gets is baffling to me.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:57:53 GMT -5
I guess rewatching the Jericho/Rey series of matches and thinking they were some of the best matches of the past few years with terrific psychology from match to match was completely false.
My bad.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:54:37 GMT -5
I don't understand celebrating one of WWE's best in-ring workers leaving. Beacause everybody hates him? But he's massively over. Like, massively over. ...and is one of WWE's best in-ring workers.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:46:48 GMT -5
I don't understand celebrating one of WWE's best in-ring workers leaving.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:43:52 GMT -5
Last time I skimmed their site it was like a Wrestling Observer Newsletter highlight reel. The guy Richard gets his own stuff. He had the new of The Rock being the host before everyone else and use to have all the PPV results before the show happened. This is also isn't that surprising considering Rey's past. I doubt he had the info before anyone, on the WO radio after RAW aired the week before Rock Dave said that's who it'd wind up being(and also reported about the "Leave it to Bieber" stuff which is hilarious). Anyway, not trying to get in a news site argument, just speaking from what I had observed on the site in the past. The only news reporter I've learned to trust is Meltz so I'll wait to see if he reports it.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:40:04 GMT -5
wrestlingnewsworld is one of the second hand news sites. I haven't seen Dave or PWI report this yet. No they're not. They get their stuff from first hand sources. Last time I skimmed their site it was like a Wrestling Observer Newsletter highlight reel.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:36:44 GMT -5
wrestlingnewsworld is one of the second hand news sites. I haven't seen Dave or PWI report this yet.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 11:34:13 GMT -5
The WWE has run both their PPV business and titles into the ground and it'll be a hell of a fight to get either to mean much again. The world titles are basically jokes now - there was a time when I was an advocate for keeping a lot of the main event guys out of matches weekly on RAW and especially title matches for free(go back to Austin's era and although he does wrestle on RAW it's not frequent) but I think the damage has been done to the point where it doesn't even matter anymore. We usually get combinations of the same matches over and over and wins/losses don't matter to the point that why would someone even order the PPV? They've proven that anything worth seeing you'll get for free anyway(hyping Rock for the day AFTER WM will no doubt cost them a few buys and let's not forget having the big build at Survivor Series revolving Cena's firing, Cena gets fired and is back the very next night like nothing happened AND there was a title change, making everyone who bought the PPV feel like they wasted their money). They need a lot of restructuring, no more 11 title wins in 5 years(Edge), no more stupid money in the bank fluke cash ins that just devalue the title(Miz, Punk, Swagger) and make wins and losses MEAN SOMETHING. UFC is doing so well because the booking of pro wrestling/MMA is so simple and they get it. There's a belt. Guys want the belt. You prove you're worthy of the belt and you get a shot. You lose and you go to the back of the line(if there's controversy you get a rematch).
So to answer your question I say no, titles should be defended at all PPVs(though at this point they should merge the titles - it'd make it mean more).
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 12, 2011 1:26:34 GMT -5
Shawn. Bret's easily the most overrated wrestler in the history of the entire universe.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 11, 2011 12:21:56 GMT -5
The entire Jarrett/Karen angle has been fantastic. If you take it seriously it sucks, but if you watch the Jarretts promos and stuff it's not meant to be serious.
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