Reverend BTY
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 30, 2007 19:57:53 GMT -5
1 thing?? 2000-01 had one of the finest rosters in lord knows how long. It wasn't used right, but the dying days of WCW (2001 mainly) had a great undercard. The matches featuring the Jung Dragons vs 3 Count come to mind.
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Post by skiller on Dec 30, 2007 19:58:25 GMT -5
Honestly I had a whole lot more fun watching WCW back then then WWE today. It probably helped that I didn't frequent message boards and didn't have a clue what was happening backstage, but I just got caught up in it all.
Today I don't even bother watching RAW, SMackDown, or ECW. I find them all equally boring.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 30, 2007 21:34:28 GMT -5
1 thing?? 2000-01 had one of the finest rosters in lord knows how long. It wasn't used right, but the dying days of WCW (2001 mainly) had a great undercard. The matches featuring the Jung Dragons vs 3 Count come to mind. I thought the main events were good around that time as well, such as Steiner defending the title against guys like Booker, DDP, Sting and others. They really started to get things on track in 2001, with solid TV shows as well as PPV which wasn't a big clusterf*** with Russo, who was a good heel character in his own right, but had way too much TV time,IMO.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 30, 2007 21:41:07 GMT -5
1 thing?? 2000-01 had one of the finest rosters in lord knows how long. It wasn't used right, but the dying days of WCW (2001 mainly) had a great undercard. The matches featuring the Jung Dragons vs 3 Count come to mind. I thought the main events were good around that time as well, such as Steiner defending the title against guys like Booker, DDP, Sting and others. They really started to get things on track in 2001, with solid TV shows as well as PPV which wasn't a big clusterf*** with Russo, who was a good heel character in his own right, but had way too much TV time,IMO. Agreed. It really is sad how it all went down considering it was on an upswing.
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Post by Agent P on Dec 30, 2007 21:45:44 GMT -5
Jarrett vs DDP vs Arquette was excellent You ARE just pullign our legs on that one, right? RIGHT?!?! Well all it was was Jarrett vs DDP with Arquette getting bumped twice (and being in the right spot both times at least) and hitting Page with a guitar, and Jarrett vs DDP is a good match.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Dec 30, 2007 21:49:36 GMT -5
I liked the Shane Helms vs Chavo Jr. feud. That was in what, late 2000 or early 01? Sugar Shane was really coming into his own as a singles star. Yeah, I loved Sugar Shane Helms, the Sugar Babies, and the VERTEBREAKER! It'll break your spine!
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 30, 2007 23:13:16 GMT -5
with Russo, who was a good heel character in his own right, but had way too much TV time,IMO. May I add what I'm sure will be a controversial positive of WCW 2000? Vince Russo was a GREAT on-screen character. Nobody ever gives him credit here, but even back during his Vic Venom days on Livewire, the guy had an undeniable assholish charisma (that people choose to deny anyway). I really loved the on-air Bischoff and Russo team and think that they collectively made the best evil authority figure ever.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 30, 2007 23:29:57 GMT -5
Here's a positive about 2000... I actually liked some of the goofy characters. Like the Artist Fomerly know as Prince Iaukea. Sure the character really never went anywhere or did anything too meaningful, but classic Prince Iaukea was blander than bland to me, so seeing him in the Purple costume was hilarious.
Another set of characters I loved were the West Hollywood Blondes. Although that was probably 1999 actually. By 2000 they became Standards and Practices which blew. Even Stacy Keibler couldn't make Lenny and Lodi in suits interesting.
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El Dandy
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Post by El Dandy on Dec 30, 2007 23:29:58 GMT -5
Better than Mr. McMahon? Ah, no. His on-air character was one of the main launchpads for the "Attitude" era. He was one of the best villains in the history of the industry. Russo won't be recognized as such (except maybe by you).
Now, Eric Bischoff on the other hand, I will agree, was one of the better evil authority figures, but will be behind Mr. McMahon.
I tend to agree with the poster who said Russo got way too much TV time. Nobody cared for him. Yes, everyone does hate the Yankees, but nobody cares for an annoying loud mouth New Yorker. His character was more annoying I want to tune out rather than a hated character you want to see defeated.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Dec 30, 2007 23:40:59 GMT -5
Better than Mr. McMahon? Ah, no. His on-air character was one of the main launchpads for the "Attitude" era. He was one of the best villains in the history of the industry. Russo won't be recognized as such (except maybe by you). Now, Eric Bischoff on the other hand, I will agree, was one of the better evil authority figures, but will be behind Mr. McMahon. I tend to agree with the poster who said Russo got way too much TV time. Nobody cared for him. Yes, everyone does hate the Yankees, but nobody cares for an annoying loud mouth New Yorker. His character was more annoying I want to tune out rather than a hated character you want to see defeated. Agree on every single point.
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Post by pacino on Dec 31, 2007 1:05:18 GMT -5
Here's a positive about 2000... I actually liked some of the goofy characters. Like the Artist Fomerly know as Prince Iaukea. Sure the character really never went anywhere or did anything too meaningful, but classic Prince Iaukea was blander than bland to me, so seeing him in the Purple costume was hilarious. Another set of characters I loved were the West Hollywood Blondes. Although that was probably 1999 actually. By 2000 they became Standards and Practices which blew. Even Stacy Keibler couldn't make Lenny and Lodi in suits interesting. Russo can make some great characters, and can really make them deep and interesting. Let's give him that.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 31, 2007 1:24:49 GMT -5
Better than Mr. McMahon? Ah, no. His on-air character was one of the main launchpads for the "Attitude" era. He was one of the best villains in the history of the industry. Russo won't be recognized as such (except maybe by you). Now, Eric Bischoff on the other hand, I will agree, was one of the better evil authority figures, but will be behind Mr. McMahon. I tend to agree with the poster who said Russo got way too much TV time. Nobody cared for him. Yes, everyone does hate the Yankees, but nobody cares for an annoying loud mouth New Yorker. His character was more annoying I want to tune out rather than a hated character you want to see defeated. I never said he was better than Attitude Era McMahon. However, I definitely think heel authority Russo is a better character than current day McMahon, who has become hammy and cringe-inducing, but it's hard to touch vintage Austin feud Mr. McMahon and nWo Eric Bischoff. And come on... Russo had a pope mobile. Anything is made better with a pope mobile.
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Post by El Dandy on Dec 31, 2007 1:35:24 GMT -5
The pope mobile was funny, I'll give him that. But Russo the character infesting my television screen for a majority of Nitro, yuck.
Him being the main heel in most storylines (and involved in every major storyline) was his feeble attempt to match the Mr. McMahon character. I view Russo more along the lines of Stephanie McMahon's character, the type you want off of the screen.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 31, 2007 1:46:53 GMT -5
three count made wcw awesome. theres another positive thing about wcw 2000
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Post by Rapper & Actor Sammy Davis III on Dec 31, 2007 2:23:03 GMT -5
The show's storylines, booking and other such executive decisions may have not been the greatest, but as far as actual matches it's not like any of those guys forgot how to wrestle.
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Post by Diddly on Dec 31, 2007 3:36:05 GMT -5
They really started to get things on track in 2001, with solid TV shows as well as PPV which wasn't a big clusterf*** with Russo, who was a good heel character in his own right, but had way too much TV time,IMO. Something I find interesting is that Raw's ratings started to slowly decrease around the end of 2000 after the move to TNN while WCW bottomed out around Starrcade (I think the Nitro after Starrcade 2000 got a 1.8 or something like that). After the holidays WCW was slowly increasing its ratings (if not, they were pretty constant from week to week) while Raw kept declining. There was no way of saving WCW since their paying audience was pretty much gone but had they been able to stay alive I think they could have overtaken McMahon again.
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Dec 31, 2007 5:01:12 GMT -5
I liked the Kwee-Wee character and how he would turn into "Angry Allen".
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 31, 2007 9:13:43 GMT -5
Better than Mr. McMahon? Ah, no. His on-air character was one of the main launchpads for the "Attitude" era. He was one of the best villains in the history of the industry. Russo won't be recognized as such (except maybe by you). Now, Eric Bischoff on the other hand, I will agree, was one of the better evil authority figures, but will be behind Mr. McMahon. I tend to agree with the poster who said Russo got way too much TV time. Nobody cared for him. Yes, everyone does hate the Yankees, but nobody cares for an annoying loud mouth New Yorker. His character was more annoying I want to tune out rather than a hated character you want to see defeated. I disagree, I always found Bischo to be a better heel personality than Vince, but to each his own. WCW was really starting to get into their own by late 2000, early 2001. I think that's where they stopped with the whole half-shoot/half-work storylines and such which got really annoying especially with Mark Madden around. But they seem to have taken care of that by late 2000 as it was just Schiavone and Hudson doing commentary.
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Post by Agent P on Dec 31, 2007 11:36:24 GMT -5
Better than Mr. McMahon? Ah, no. His on-air character was one of the main launchpads for the "Attitude" era. He was one of the best villains in the history of the industry. Russo won't be recognized as such (except maybe by you). Now, Eric Bischoff on the other hand, I will agree, was one of the better evil authority figures, but will be behind Mr. McMahon. I tend to agree with the poster who said Russo got way too much TV time. Nobody cared for him. Yes, everyone does hate the Yankees, but nobody cares for an annoying loud mouth New Yorker. His character was more annoying I want to tune out rather than a hated character you want to see defeated. I disagree, I always found Bischo to be a better heel personality than Vince, but to each his own. WCW was really starting to get into their own by late 2000, early 2001. I think that's where they stopped with the whole half-shoot/half-work storylines and such which got really annoying especially with Mark Madden around. But they seem to have taken care of that by late 2000 as it was just Schiavone and Hudson doing commentary. I think Madden was fired for comments he made to a newspaper.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 31, 2007 12:06:26 GMT -5
I disagree, I always found Bischo to be a better heel personality than Vince, but to each his own. WCW was really starting to get into their own by late 2000, early 2001. I think that's where they stopped with the whole half-shoot/half-work storylines and such which got really annoying especially with Mark Madden around. But they seem to have taken care of that by late 2000 as it was just Schiavone and Hudson doing commentary. I think Madden was fired for comments he made to a newspaper. Really? Never knew that, what was it that he said? Not that I was sad or anything because his overly smarky commentary got really annoying fast.
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