Why are people ALREADY complaining about Cena ?

[randomranter]

ssnakebite said:

coltcabana said:

What do you mean ALREADY, it's not like Cena was incredibly popular over here before his injury and we just suddenly turned on him.

What I mean is that Cena came back a few days ago. I wish people actually waited for him to, you know... DO something before they start bashing again.

He's done plenty already.

[Jared Has Been Enlightened :)]

kingofoldschool said:

mvp said:

Cena is booed partially out of jealousy from the male audience. Cena is everything they wish they were and are not; handsome, charming, witty, and not the least of all, a good, decent human being.

This is why the 16-35 year old male demographic makes up the vast majority of the Cena haters. I would say 8 out of every 10 16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates Cena, whereas only 1 out of every 10 non-16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates him.

I'm one of the rare 16-35 year old males who actually likes Cena. He's a cool guy in real life, and one hell of a performer both in the ring and on the mic. What's not to like?

LOL

Oooookay, so you're buying into WWE's theory that "OMGZ MALES ARE BOOING CENA CAUSE THEY ARE TEH JEALOUZ!!1!1"

Seriously, that's a lame excuse if I ever heard it. If fans would be jealous of anyone it would be guys like The Rock, Ric Flair, and Shawn Michaels. Yet besides The Rock, you would never heard babyface Flair and HBK get those kind of reactions back in the day.

I don't know about Flair, that guy's fairly grotesque, and there's a restriction of 20 teeth of less to ride Space Mountain.

As for HBK, he was hated on by a lot of guys back in the day. Not on the level as Cena, obviously, but it happened. I heard many "HBK is gay!" comments back then, especially after the Playgirl appearance.

However, one thing that I think separates those two (Rock, HBK) from Cena is that Cena is too nice of a guy. Not only does he have everything you want to have, he remains polite and respectful about it. On the other hand, both Rock and HBK were hot shit and knew it, and it came off in their attitude. And I think that attitude gave them a sort of a cool essence, which, basically, overrode the jealousy male fans had for them and made them both extremely popular. Cena doesn't have that "cool" factor. In fact, his corny jokes is one of the most common reasons his haters state they hate him so damn much. If Cena went out and told every guy booing him that he could be banging their girlfriend right now if he felt like it, I think they'd eventually start cheering him. It sound crazy I know, but that's how it works in wrestling.

[doytch]

john cenas time is now

that is why he has match with randy orton at what is no way out. randy orton shaves his head and body to look like he is a swimmer. what a dork

[Topher is Human]

Business is picking up

[Mister Pigwell]

doytch said:

john cenas time is now

that is why he has match with randy orton at what is no way out. randy orton shaves his head and body to look like he is a swimmer. what a dork

Damned swimmer dorks.

[Topher is Human]

valens said:

doytch said:

john cenas time is now

that is why he has match with randy orton at what is no way out. randy orton shaves his head and body to look like he is a swimmer. what a dork

Damned swimmer dorks.

They're the worst kind of dorks!

[Jiren]

I have loads of respect for Cena because he seems like a guy who loves the business & he sounds like a nice guy

BUT

I have never liked Superman booking even when i was a kid,

Warrior vs Rude - I rooted for Rude
Hogan vs Sid - I rooted for Sid
Austin vs Undertaker - I rooted for Taker
Cena vs Edge/Angle - I rooted for Edge/Angle

I was also pissed off at Mania 9 when Hogan did what he did.

I did mark for the rock mainly because he wasn't superman and was made to look weak quite a few times, Same with Taker & Austin (Although Austin was Superman booked he wasn't THAT bad).

[Loki]

cropsy13 said:

Warrior vs Rude - I rooted for Rude
Hogan vs Sid - I rooted for Sid

Unless you've altered your D.o.B. you were FOUR when Warrior faced Rude for the WWF belt.
And FIVE when Hogan faced Sid.

How could a kindergarden kid be a smark? Sorry, but I don't buy it

[Deadman Inc]

mvp said:

Cena is booed partially out of jealousy from the male audience. Cena is everything they wish they were and are not; handsome, charming, witty, and not the least of all, a good, decent human being.

This is why the 16-35 year old male demographic makes up the vast majority of the Cena haters. I would say 8 out of every 10 16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates Cena, whereas only 1 out of every 10 non-16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates him.

I'm one of the rare 16-35 year old males who actually likes Cena. He's a cool guy in real life, and one hell of a performer both in the ring and on the mic. What's not to like?

I think you're way off the mark here. As stated by someone else in the thread, if the reason why we hated Cena was because we were jealous for him being a ladies man, then why wasn't there this level of hate for Flair, Rock, HBK?

As far as him being charming and witty? Once in a blue moon Cena makes a wise crack that is new and original. Aside from that, it's the same old gay and poop jokes ad naseum. If you need proof of this, check the last time Cena was on our tv. It actually wasn't that long ago...Tribute the Troops.

The reason why many of us dislike Cena so intensely is that he is being pushed down our throats non-stop for about 3 years now, same tired jokes, has a very stale set of moves and lacking some ring polish on his skills (he can work a decent match, but it's usually the same five moves of doom), and we are just plain sick and tired of seeing the Cena's-overcomming-the-odds story week in and week out, year after year.

Add to the fact in the near 3 year time that we've had Cena as champion that no one has even really cleanly gotten a decisive victory and taken the belt from him...Edge managed to screw Cena over for a handful but immediately the belt went back to Cena, and after a year of time from that point Cena lost the belt not to pinfall or submission but a non-kayfabe injury.

If Cena wasn't so Super-man all the time, if he wasn't booked as unstoppable and actually lost cleanly once in a while to the point where it wasn't a forgone conclusion that he would win every damn title match he was in, then perhaps the IWC would have a better impression of him.

As far as your assertions to us being in the miniority about this point, I suggest you take a look at the numbers for Cena's reigns. The highest tv ratings were on the Raw's that Edge screwed Cena and took the belt away from him. Seems a great deal of people tuned in to see something different then the same old SuperCena shit.

Have I missed any points?

[mothership]

cropsy13 said:

I have loads of respect for Cena because he seems like a guy who loves the business & he sounds like a nice guy

BUT

I have never liked Superman booking even when i was a kid,

Warrior vs Rude - I rooted for Rude
Hogan vs Sid - I rooted for Sid
Austin vs Undertaker - I rooted for Taker
Cena vs Edge/Angle - I rooted for Edge/Angle

I was also pissed off at Mania 9 when Hogan did what he did.

I did mark for the rock mainly because he wasn't superman and was made to look weak quite a few times, Same with Taker & Austin (Although Austin was Superman booked he wasn't THAT bad).

Are you kidding me?! Rock was just as much of a Superman as Cena. Cena's been beat down and made to look weak on several occassions, but like the Rock and Hulk Hogan before him, you know it's just part of the formula and there is a 99% chance he's going to go over in the end. But no free pass for the Rock, I hated that guy back then. ;D

[mysterydriver]

How dare John Cena rehab himself with a vengeance just so that he could return early. How dare he care about the business, his career, and the actual fans he has to do that!

Sure, he was THE surprise of the Rumble, but then there was "No" surprise that he was winning.

Here's the thing. If he didn't win...YOU'D BE COMPLAINING. Why? Because Triple H would have been the one to eliminate him and we'd be seeing topic after topic after TOPIC about how "Triple H RUINED John Cena's return! DARN HIS EGO!"

Also, you didn't "KNOW" anything. Before the Rumble everyone KNEW Triple H was winning. They were wrong. So now we get this "I knew the moment I saw Cena." Guess what? I didn't care about who was winning. I was EXCITED for the moment. Did I assume that Cena was winning? No. Because Triple H was in there, but I already covered that point.

Then last night, Cena, the returning face, gets a bit of vengeance on the man who injured him (in the wonderful world of Kayfabe). How is THAT not acceptable? Heck, even when Stevie Richards returned from taking an axe handle from Masters that broke his nose, he attacked and got the better of the man. It's common booking.

Now, I hope my strategy OF randomly CAPITALIZING words for effect has PAID off! I know some people "just don't like him" but some people come off like they have a vendetta (The 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' thread comes to mind).

[jamofpearls]

I'm complaining, because i was really enjoying RAW without him.

[Hiroshi Hase]

deadmaninc said:

mvp said:

Cena is booed partially out of jealousy from the male audience. Cena is everything they wish they were and are not; handsome, charming, witty, and not the least of all, a good, decent human being.

This is why the 16-35 year old male demographic makes up the vast majority of the Cena haters. I would say 8 out of every 10 16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates Cena, whereas only 1 out of every 10 non-16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates him.

I'm one of the rare 16-35 year old males who actually likes Cena. He's a cool guy in real life, and one hell of a performer both in the ring and on the mic. What's not to like?

I think you're way off the mark here. As stated by someone else in the thread, if the reason why we hated Cena was because we were jealous for him being a ladies man, then why wasn't there this level of hate for Flair, Rock, HBK?

As far as him being charming and witty? Once in a blue moon Cena makes a wise crack that is new and original. Aside from that, it's the same old gay and poop jokes ad naseum. If you need proof of this, check the last time Cena was on our tv. It actually wasn't that long ago...Tribute the Troops.

The reason why many of us dislike Cena so intensely is that he is being pushed down our throats non-stop for about 3 years now, same tired jokes, has a very stale set of moves and lacking some ring polish on his skills (he can work a decent match, but it's usually the same five moves of doom), and we are just plain sick and tired of seeing the Cena's-overcomming-the-odds story week in and week out, year after year.

Add to the fact in the near 3 year time that we've had Cena as champion that no one has even really cleanly gotten a decisive victory and taken the belt from him...Edge managed to screw Cena over for a handful but immediately the belt went back to Cena, and after a year of time from that point Cena lost the belt not to pinfall or submission but a non-kayfabe injury.

If Cena wasn't so Super-man all the time, if he wasn't booked as unstoppable and actually lost cleanly once in a while to the point where it wasn't a forgone conclusion that he would win every damn title match he was in, then perhaps the IWC would have a better impression of him.

As far as your assertions to us being in the miniority about this point, I suggest you take a look at the numbers for Cena's reigns. The highest tv ratings were on the Raw's that Edge screwed Cena and took the belt away from him. Seems a great deal of people tuned in to see something different then the same old SuperCena crap.

Have I missed any points?

I do agree with some of your points, however in terms of the ratings when Edge won the title from Cena in January 06, they did spike a bit, but they stayed up even after Cena won the belt back later that month at the Rumble. So it's not like they jumped down to a 2.6 or something.

I just think with some people they would've complained either way, if Batista had won, we would've had the endless "Basketball" references which weren't even that funny to begin with, if Trips had won, we would've gotten "Trips is using his backstage powers!!11", if Cena had won, which he did, we now get the "OVERCOME THE ODDZZ!!!NOOOOOOOO!" reactions that we got now.

[blackielawless]

I totally agree with Deadman Inc's post. He hit it the nail right on the head.

Me personally, I just can't take it anymore with the 80's Hogan style push that someone in the back feels they have to continue to give Cena. Your going to tell me that this guy shows up months ahead of his recovery/return date, enters the rumble, and throws out 7 other "worthy" opponents whom to the best of my knowledge are in tip top shape? C'mon!! That makes all the other RR participants look like panzies.

Jeff Hardy was getting extremely over, he DESERVES to be champion a million times more then Cena does, yet his rise to the top has been taken away in a moment (The moment Cena's music hit).

Cena is like the guy at work who sucks at his job but will always get the big raises and bonuses because he is the bosses nephew, AND he knows it. Rather then Cena work on his character to get those loud ass boo's to turn into cheers, he can just laugh it off because he knows no matter how much the fans in the arena's boo him out the door, creative loves him and will continue to make him Superman in the eyes of the 8-10 year olds. And all for what, to sell some t-shirts!?

Even when I was a kid I was getting tired of Hogan always stealing the spot light from guys like Bret, Macho Man, HBK, etc... As an adult, I freakin can't take it anymore!!

Hardy was giving us some awesome stuff against Orton wrestling wise, including that high risk maneuver off the RAW stage onto Orton. Now were gonna get treated to the Five Knuckle Shuffles and the "You can't see me's"... Its like comparing a shooting star press to Hogans leg drop.

[MGH]

dagreenguy said:

aodpilot said:

Nope, cause I'm on a roll. It sickens me to read complaints about "that wasn't a surprise at all" or "why is the crowd cheering this"

Get a grip people, the crowd isn't supposed to conform to anybody's standards but their own, and if you think you have a right to impugn upon that, well then you've surrendered your own.

I refuse to back down from my stance because I am tired of everyone who takes things so seriously (getting mad over crowd reactions or a surprise not being their expectation) and then telling me I'm the one being serious.

Oh, and enough with the smark logic "I boo him as a heel" indeed. It doesn't suddenly make him a heel, except in your own mind. And that's fine

Just don't tell me that's how it really is and don't tell me how to feel.

The only one being overly serious is you, man. Chill the frick out.

Seriously, dear god Pilot what the hell is wrong with you today? Cornfed is one of the few who is actually level headed and you're talking down to him like he's some 10 year old child who needs to be set straight. Take your own advice you gave someone in the Raw thread last week (which you OBVIOUSLY decided to ignore yourself after the CM Punk/Chavo/Edge matches last week) and re-thesmurf-lax and stop taking this way too seriously". You've usually been a fun guy since I started posting here. I don't know where this horrid attitude over the past week or so came from but it really isn't necessary. No one needs you to set them straight.

[amsiraK]

Ugh. I'm gonna go stick Cena in a closet so this crap can settle down again. Seriously, it's insane the way we all snipe at each other in this man's name.

Had they brought him back in a way that wasn't indicative of his usual Superman booking, i don't think there'd be as much complaining, but then again why should we expect them to change their strategy? They haven't so far, no matter how loudly we shriek.

This made NO sense. They could've brought him back and had him interfere with the Orton match, as that's who he was feuding with anyway.

As to the reasons why everyone hates him? I don't think it's jealousy. Why wouldn't we hate ALL of them, then? We're none of us wrestlers, so we should be angry at everyone on the roster, shouldn't we?

Plus... he's not all that good-looking anyway. Take it from someone in the "target audience."

And if I haven't said it before...

[Raja Lion]

deadmaninc said:

mvp said:

Cena is booed partially out of jealousy from the male audience. Cena is everything they wish they were and are not; handsome, charming, witty, and not the least of all, a good, decent human being.

This is why the 16-35 year old male demographic makes up the vast majority of the Cena haters. I would say 8 out of every 10 16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates Cena, whereas only 1 out of every 10 non-16-35 year old male wrestling fan hates him.

I'm one of the rare 16-35 year old males who actually likes Cena. He's a cool guy in real life, and one hell of a performer both in the ring and on the mic. What's not to like?

I think you're way off the mark here. As stated by someone else in the thread, if the reason why we hated Cena was because we were jealous for him being a ladies man, then why wasn't there this level of hate for Flair, Rock, HBK?

As far as him being charming and witty? Once in a blue moon Cena makes a wise crack that is new and original. Aside from that, it's the same old gay and poop jokes ad naseum. If you need proof of this, check the last time Cena was on our tv. It actually wasn't that long ago...Tribute the Troops.

The reason why many of us dislike Cena so intensely is that he is being pushed down our throats non-stop for about 3 years now, same tired jokes, has a very stale set of moves and lacking some ring polish on his skills (he can work a decent match, but it's usually the same five moves of doom), and we are just plain sick and tired of seeing the Cena's-overcomming-the-odds story week in and week out, year after year.

Add to the fact in the near 3 year time that we've had Cena as champion that no one has even really cleanly gotten a decisive victory and taken the belt from him...Edge managed to screw Cena over for a handful but immediately the belt went back to Cena, and after a year of time from that point Cena lost the belt not to pinfall or submission but a non-kayfabe injury.

If Cena wasn't so Super-man all the time, if he wasn't booked as unstoppable and actually lost cleanly once in a while to the point where it wasn't a forgone conclusion that he would win every damn title match he was in, then perhaps the IWC would have a better impression of him.

As far as your assertions to us being in the miniority about this point, I suggest you take a look at the numbers for Cena's reigns. The highest tv ratings were on the Raw's that Edge screwed Cena and took the belt away from him. Seems a great deal of people tuned in to see something different then the same old SuperCena crap.

Have I missed any points?

Nail on head.

[MGH]

To actually answer the OP, WWE hasn't given me a reason to give him a chance. I didn't enjoy Raw's main event scene when Cena was reigning for over a year beating everyone I'm a fan of. I wasn't a fan of the Superman booking Cena got, I wasn't a fan of his promos, and while I was coming around to his in ring work I still wasn't overly impressed on any regular basis. Cena just isn't a guy I'm likely to become a fan of. Now upon his return he wins the second biggest match of the year immediately, goes right in to a his title program, is going to end up headlining Mania over Jeff Hardy (who I'm a much bigger fan of), and odds are I'll watch him tap out another one of my favorites whether it's HHH or not. So far I'm not seeing a reason to think Superman booking is over, and until that day comes it isn't looking good for me ever becoming a fan of his.

I know he's WWE's biggest draw, I know most fans love him, and I know my opinion is a minority one. That doesn't really matter though. I'm watching for me, not the 20,000 in attendance or the 3.4 watching at home. When I say I want something to happen, it's because I know I'll enjoy it. Even if it's CM Punk as World Champion or Paul London getting a push to US Champion. Probably not the best move for WWE, but I'm not booking them, they are. I can hope for it all I want.

Cena just isn't someone I like, or am probably ever likely too.

[Hiroshi Hase]

mygreatesthour said:

To actually answer the OP, WWE hasn't given me a reason to give him a chance. I didn't enjoy Raw's main event scene when Cena was reigning for over a year beating everyone I'm a fan of. I wasn't a fan of the Superman booking Cena got, I wasn't a fan of his promos, and while I was coming around to his in ring work I still wasn't overly impressed on any regular basis. Cena just isn't a guy I'm likely to become a fan of. Now upon his return he wins the second biggest match of the year immediately, goes right in to a his title program, is going to end up headlining Mania over Jeff Hardy (who I'm a much bigger fan of), and odds are I'll watch him tap out another one of my favorites whether it's HHH or not. So far I'm not seeing a reason to think Superman booking is over, and until that day comes it isn't looking good for me ever becoming a fan of his.

I know he's WWE's biggest draw, I know most fans love him, and I know my opinion is a minority one. That doesn't really matter though. I'm watching for me, not the 20,000 in attendance or the 3.4 watching at home. When I say I want something to happen, it's because I know I'll enjoy it. Even if it's CM Punk as World Champion or Paul London getting a push to US Champion. Probably not the best move for WWE, but I'm not booking them, they are. I can hope for it all I want.

Cena just isn't someone I like, or am probably ever likely too.

I think if most smarks were to formulate their opinions like that, then internet fans wouldn't get so much flack as opposed to some of the stuff I've read on various forums.

[Mister Pigwell]

mygreatesthour said:

To actually answer the OP, WWE hasn't given me a reason to give him a chance. I didn't enjoy Raw's main event scene when Cena was reigning for over a year beating everyone I'm a fan of. I wasn't a fan of the Superman booking Cena got, I wasn't a fan of his promos, and while I was coming around to his in ring work I still wasn't overly impressed on any regular basis. Cena just isn't a guy I'm likely to become a fan of. Now upon his return he wins the second biggest match of the year immediately, goes right in to a his title program, is going to end up headlining Mania over Jeff Hardy (who I'm a much bigger fan of), and odds are I'll watch him tap out another one of my favorites whether it's HHH or not. So far I'm not seeing a reason to think Superman booking is over, and until that day comes it isn't looking good for me ever becoming a fan of his.

I know he's WWE's biggest draw, I know most fans love him, and I know my opinion is a minority one. That doesn't really matter though. I'm watching for me, not the 20,000 in attendance or the 3.4 watching at home. When I say I want something to happen, it's because I know I'll enjoy it. Even if it's CM Punk as World Champion or Paul London getting a push to US Champion. Probably not the best move for WWE, but I'm not booking them, they are. I can hope for it all I want.

Cena just isn't someone I like, or am probably ever likely too.

Sir, if you weren't already engaged to ROH, I'd probably consider turning gay for you... But you're engaged already... so no need for me to ponder it. Lucky us.


Don't look at me like that.







I'm emotionally secure.