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Post by Silent Brad on Mar 24, 2008 21:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 24, 2008 21:57:55 GMT -5
Man, this thread is making me miss the days when I was a young mark! Damn straight Bob. |
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Post by GregP19 on Mar 24, 2008 21:59:52 GMT -5
No, wannabe smarks who think they know everything because they just found out Goldust and Dustin Rhodes were the same person do
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Mar 24, 2008 22:07:50 GMT -5
I just hope MVP or CM Punk doesnt gain kid friendly characters. PLEASE TAKE ANYONE BUT MVP OR PUNK! Well, a guy who says staying drug-free makes you better than everyone else is just about as kid friendly as it gets to begin with. |
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Post by thesunbeast on Mar 24, 2008 22:17:06 GMT -5
No.
....And by the way, smarks are not better than marks. As a matter of fact, marks are the "real" wrestling fan. the business revolves around, and should revolve around, them. they enjoy the product the most, but are the biggest overall critics.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 24, 2008 22:25:22 GMT -5
Just a silly premise. If you don't have kid wrestling fans, eventually you don't have any wrestling fans.
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Post by Jtre on Mar 24, 2008 23:02:12 GMT -5
Just a silly premise. If you don't have kid wrestling fans, eventually you don't have any wrestling fans. He gets it. Topics like the one this thread are based around are ridiculous. In reality, the majority of "fans" who carry on to the extent in which they nitpick every aspect of the show, break down every move of a match, pay close attention to every quarter-hour rating of a program and bash every guy who doesn't do four consecutive rolling Germans only to follow it up with a series of suicide planchas are the people who "ruin" wrestling. Ironically, these "fans" obsess over wrestling and try to turn it into something it is not out of a hidden shame they have of being wrestling fans. Deep down, it bothers these "fans" that they still watch a form of entertainment that they enjoyed when they were 10. It is for this reason, "smart" fans attempt to warp pro wrestling into some high-brow art form rather than the fake fighting it was intended to be. When friends or colleagues ask me about being a wrestling fan, I tell them it is my personal favorite form of entertainment, along with real sports like basketball and football. Do they make fun of me for watching the same thing each week that they watched in sixth grade? Sure, some do, but that is just par for the course. To the original topic, kids absolutely don't ruin pro wrestling and only a complete clown would complain about the presence of children among a wrestling fan base. There is nothing better than being able to sit down on a Monday night, flash back to childhood and get lost in a match or interview. Anyone complaining should try to view wrestling occasionally through the eyes of a child and see if he doesn't find it a little more entertaining. |
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 24, 2008 23:04:33 GMT -5
There is nothing more I can add. I agree with most everyone in here. Give me an arena full of kids any day.
The person who brought up the fat smelly teenager with the belt over their shoulder reminded me a funny story. A few weeks ago I was grocery shopping at Wal Mart when I see this kid probably between 16-22, overweight, wearing a long black trenchcoat, greasy hair, and to top off his rediculous outfit he had an ECW Replica Title over his shoulder. AT FREAKING WAL MART!!!!
Not sure if it fits in with the premise of the thread, but I thought it was funny.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 24, 2008 23:10:26 GMT -5
I am of the opinion kids ruin everything for adults. Not just wrestling, but that's just one fellow's opinion.
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Post by The Wraith on Mar 24, 2008 23:29:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they ruin everything.
Without them, it wouldn't be as fun, simply put. I remember when I went to Raw last year (7/16/07, the replacement show we had in Corpus Christi when Benoit...yeah), the kids would be cheering for Cena, loud like heck. So me and my friends start booing them, and the kids notice and one of them is like "why would you boo him?" and one of my friends is like "Because he sucks!"
Later on, the kids start a "Cena, Cena, Cena" chant, so me and my friends insert "SUCKS!" after they'd say "CENA!". After 10 seconds, the group of Cena fans in front of us turned around and started cheering Cena louder. So we cheered louder. There was just something surreal about that, because I know I used to be one of those kids.
Actually, I became one of those kids again for a moment during that show. When I was little, I was a big Jim Duggan fan (I don't know why), so going into that Raw show, I had no idea Jim Duggan was at the arena, let alone going to make a run-in. When I heard the "HOOOOO!" from the Titantron play, I swear I turned 5 years old again. I was like "NO WAY! NO WAY!". It was my first (and probably only) time I got to see him in person.
Pretty much why I don't think kid wrestling fans ruin everything. It's being online watching the RAW thread while watching Raw on TV. People complaining about this and that, but in that arena with the fans, it's a completely different experience.
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Post by joeman on Mar 25, 2008 1:23:44 GMT -5
Just a silly premise. If you don't have kid wrestling fans, eventually you don't have any wrestling fans. He gets it. Topics like the one this thread are based around are ridiculous. In reality, the majority of "fans" who carry on to the extent in which they nitpick every aspect of the show, break down every move of a match, pay close attention to every quarter-hour rating of a program and bash every guy who doesn't do four consecutive rolling Germans only to follow it up with a series of suicide planchas are the people who "ruin" wrestling. Ironically, these "fans" obsess over wrestling and try to turn it into something it is not out of a hidden shame they have of being wrestling fans. Deep down, it bothers these "fans" that they still watch a form of entertainment that they enjoyed when they were 10. It is for this reason, "smart" fans attempt to warp pro wrestling into some high-brow art form rather than the fake fighting it was intended to be. When friends or colleagues ask me about being a wrestling fan, I tell them it is my personal favorite form of entertainment, along with real sports like basketball and football. Do they make fun of me for watching the same thing each week that they watched in sixth grade? Sure, some do, but that is just par for the course. To the original topic, kids absolutely don't ruin pro wrestling and only a complete clown would complain about the presence of children among a wrestling fan base. There is nothing better than being able to sit down on a Monday night, flash back to childhood and get lost in a match or interview. Anyone complaining should try to view wrestling occasionally through the eyes of a child and see if he doesn't find it a little more entertaining. I agree with this. In it's true form, in the carnival days, pro-wrestling was just a form of entertainment. It wasn't meant to be an artform of how good one can wrestler, or how long a person wrestles. Personally, I believe wrestlers should sharpen their skills so they can dimensions to matches, rather than be wrestling clinics in which 95% of the time wrestle in a "look what I do" form with their 720 splashes and ad nausem. |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Mar 25, 2008 1:52:37 GMT -5
While I agree with the fact that the kid audience is larger and willing to spend more money than the adult audience, I also have issues with the storylines and angles that are outright insulting to the intelligence of some the slightly older fans who "aren't supposed to remember" that certain things in the past happened.
I know we were all kids at one point, but it just seems messed up how a lot of the kids I come into contact with at the shows have no reason for liking a person other than "He rules!" Man when me and my friends were kids, we could break down exactly what we liked about each person and why we felt they were worth our cheers, etc.
I dunno, maybe I'm just getting too old for this wrestling thing. LOL. I mean, I wonder if it's the same for other sporting events when it comes to children/adult fans.
If you have been following a football player all throughout college, into the pros, and learned of/admire a lot of the hardships he has faced, how SHOULD you feel when you go to a football game, and a 13 year old kid says, "That guy sucks because I don't know him! 'Insert flavor of the month guy' is the best player ever!"
It just makes me laugh, that's all.
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Post by Joekishi on Mar 25, 2008 3:02:05 GMT -5
He gets it. Topics like the one this thread are based around are ridiculous. In reality, the majority of "fans" who carry on to the extent in which they nitpick every aspect of the show, break down every move of a match, pay close attention to every quarter-hour rating of a program and bash every guy who doesn't do four consecutive rolling Germans only to follow it up with a series of suicide planchas are the people who "ruin" wrestling. Ironically, these "fans" obsess over wrestling and try to turn it into something it is not out of a hidden shame they have of being wrestling fans. Deep down, it bothers these "fans" that they still watch a form of entertainment that they enjoyed when they were 10. It is for this reason, "smart" fans attempt to warp pro wrestling into some high-brow art form rather than the fake fighting it was intended to be. When friends or colleagues ask me about being a wrestling fan, I tell them it is my personal favorite form of entertainment, along with real sports like basketball and football. Do they make fun of me for watching the same thing each week that they watched in sixth grade? Sure, some do, but that is just par for the course. To the original topic, kids absolutely don't ruin pro wrestling and only a complete clown would complain about the presence of children among a wrestling fan base. There is nothing better than being able to sit down on a Monday night, flash back to childhood and get lost in a match or interview. Anyone complaining should try to view wrestling occasionally through the eyes of a child and see if he doesn't find it a little more entertaining. I agree with this. In it's true form, in the carnival days, pro-wrestling was just a form of entertainment. It wasn't meant to be an artform of how good one can wrestler, or how long a person wrestles. Personally, I believe wrestlers should sharpen their skills so they can dimensions to matches, rather than be wrestling clinics in which 95% of the time wrestle in a "look what I do" form with their 720 splashes and ad nausem. That's why I love lucha libre the most. Fuerza Guerrera best heel of all time. Seriously i'll put him up there with Ric Flair, he doesn't do much of anything fancy, he slaps a guy, spits on the fans, poses, and the crowd boos him. I wish more people could learn how to anger a crowd with nothing but a smug look. But most of the young wrestlers out there have a mostly emotionless stoic face, and go through matches like robots. Emotion and fire is what's missing from a lot of the newer wrestlers. Roderick Strong is a perfect example of somebody who does interesting moves, but lacks anything resembling charisma or character, that's why I'm disinterested in his matches, but Go crazy for Hacksaw Jim Duggan. |
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 25, 2008 11:41:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they ruin everything. Without them, it wouldn't be as fun, simply put. I remember when I went to Raw last year (7/16/07, the replacement show we had in Corpus Christi when Benoit...yeah), the kids would be cheering for Cena, loud like heck. So me and my friends start booing them, and the kids notice and one of them is like "why would you boo him?" and one of my friends is like "Because he sucks!" Later on, the kids start a "Cena, Cena, Cena" chant, so me and my friends insert "SUCKS!" after they'd say "CENA!". After 10 seconds, the group of Cena fans in front of us turned around and started cheering Cena louder. So we cheered louder. There was just something surreal about that, because I know I used to be one of those kids. . Its things like this that makes the Cena-Experience so incredible. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 25, 2008 11:54:37 GMT -5
While I agree with the fact that the kid audience is larger and willing to spend more money than the adult audience, I also have issues with the storylines and angles that are outright insulting to the intelligence of some the slightly older fans who "aren't supposed to remember" that certain things in the past happened. I know we were all kids at one point, but it just seems messed up how a lot of the kids I come into contact with at the shows have no reason for liking a person other than "He rules!" Man when me and my friends were kids, we could break down exactly what we liked about each person and why we felt they were worth our cheers, etc. I dunno, maybe I'm just getting too old for this wrestling thing. LOL. I mean, I wonder if it's the same for other sporting events when it comes to children/adult fans. If you have been following a football player all throughout college, into the pros, and learned of/admire a lot of the hardships he has faced, how SHOULD you feel when you go to a football game, and a 13 year old kid says, "That guy sucks because I don't know him! 'Insert flavor of the month guy' is the best player ever!" It just makes me laugh, that's all. The problem with all the "kid-friendly" posts on this board is that wrestling was originally intended for an adult audience, it was just Vince's idea to make it kid-friendly with Hulk Hogan that led to the boom. The WWF of the 80s was completely kid-friendly in every way. Then, in the 90s, WWF turned into an "edgy" product aimed mostly at teens (Stone Cold was most certainly NOT "kid-friendly"...which was why alot of the kids I knew liked him). There was beer, cursing, T&A, and hardcore violence. Now, in the post-Attitude era, WWE isn't so much "kid-friendly" as trying to have it both ways at once. It still has hardcore violence, T&A (please don't tell me "Bunnymania" is targeting kids) and SOME cursing. But--and here's the problem--there's no CONSISTENCY anymore to who the product's target audience is. They'll show a cheesecakey Divas match one minute and have Hornswoggle acting like an idiot the next. Having cartoon characters is one thing--having them shoved right up next sexually explicit programming is another. It's a very jarring effect. And to anyone who likes kid fans because they're "innocent" and not "greasy teenagers"...today's kid fan is tommorrow's greasy teenager. It's a pointless debate. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 25, 2008 12:05:22 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen a group of people who are more self-hating than wrestling fans.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 25, 2008 12:17:18 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen a group of people who are more self-hating than wrestling fans. Film fans British Football fans (seriously, the press there talks crap about their own team...even when they win!) Science Fiction Fans Video Game Fans We're in good company. |
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Post by joeman on Mar 25, 2008 12:24:19 GMT -5
While I agree with the fact that the kid audience is larger and willing to spend more money than the adult audience, I also have issues with the storylines and angles that are outright insulting to the intelligence of some the slightly older fans who "aren't supposed to remember" that certain things in the past happened. I know we were all kids at one point, but it just seems messed up how a lot of the kids I come into contact with at the shows have no reason for liking a person other than "He rules!" Man when me and my friends were kids, we could break down exactly what we liked about each person and why we felt they were worth our cheers, etc. I dunno, maybe I'm just getting too old for this wrestling thing. LOL. I mean, I wonder if it's the same for other sporting events when it comes to children/adult fans. If you have been following a football player all throughout college, into the pros, and learned of/admire a lot of the hardships he has faced, how SHOULD you feel when you go to a football game, and a 13 year old kid says, "That guy sucks because I don't know him! 'Insert flavor of the month guy' is the best player ever!" It just makes me laugh, that's all. The problem with all the "kid-friendly" posts on this board is that wrestling was originally intended for an adult audience, it was just Vince's idea to make it kid-friendly with Hulk Hogan that led to the boom. The WWF of the 80s was completely kid-friendly in every way. Then, in the 90s, WWF turned into an "edgy" product aimed mostly at teens (Stone Cold was most certainly NOT "kid-friendly"...which was why alot of the kids I knew liked him). There was beer, cursing, T&A, and hardcore violence. Now, in the post-Attitude era, WWE isn't so much "kid-friendly" as trying to have it both ways at once. It still has hardcore violence, T&A (please don't tell me "Bunnymania" is targeting kids) and SOME cursing. But--and here's the problem--there's no CONSISTENCY anymore to who the product's target audience is. They'll show a cheesecakey Divas match one minute and have Hornswoggle acting like an idiot the next. Having cartoon characters is one thing--having them shoved right up next sexually explicit programming is another. It's a very jarring effect. And to anyone who likes kid fans because they're "innocent" and not "greasy teenagers"...today's kid fan is tommorrow's greasy teenager. It's a pointless debate. All this means is that WWE has a revolving door of fans. It is the same reason why the Simpsons are still on the air. I say that aspect is what makes a business stable. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 25, 2008 12:27:00 GMT -5
All this means is that WWE has a revolving door of fans. It is the same reason why the Simpsons are still on the air. I say that aspect is what makes a business stable. Of course. Fans get bored and "grow out" of it, or decide to stay around. I'm just saying that what they seem to be doing now is the 80s style and the 90s style at the same time, which is weird and disconcerting. "Kid-friendly" or not, I'll enjoy CM Punk's matches, and those of other wrestlers I like, which is why I watch. |
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Mar 25, 2008 12:46:53 GMT -5
I would rather be in a WWF arena circa 1989 then an ECW Bingo Hall circa 1997. Kids are a lot more fun to be around then angry people who have to ruin the experience for every one else.
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