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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 4, 2009 14:48:35 GMT -5
So if you have sex with someone before marriage, you're automatically a slut? Even if it's always with the same person and it's someone you love?
Bulls***.
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Post by Mac on Jan 4, 2009 14:50:16 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea behind it at all(what people do or don't do in the bedroom is their business), but the actual rings seem like an excuse to try and say that you're better than others, which is lame and a dick move. Thank You. I'm all for people waiting until they get married, but the ring itself attracts attention and does lead to at least a mild air of superiority over the unwashed masses who cant control their animalistic urges.
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Post by biafra on Jan 4, 2009 14:51:34 GMT -5
I understand why someone would wear it.
I mean..I remember back in school virgin was a dirty word, something to make fun of and something people lied about NOT being to fit in.
Seeing that reality I respect and understand anyone who would put out the fact they are choosing to go against popular culture with a moral decision.
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Post by KLRA on Jan 4, 2009 14:52:22 GMT -5
I have no problem with people that wear them, more power to them actually.
Where I have the problem is where they make it WELL KNOWN that they have one, and it somehow winds it way into every conversation. Same thing with straight edge kids. Good you don't drink, leave me the f' alone about it.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 4, 2009 14:53:06 GMT -5
But something just bugs me about people showing off the fact that they wait, as if it's a slap in the face to those who lose their virginity consensually before marriage. See, for the right reasons I don't think its showing off, anymore then wearing a cross necklace or a wedding ring. Its just something to symbolize how you feel. I think its like me wearing my ghostbusters hat; I support ghostbusters, but I'm not trying to show off to a non-Harold Ramis fan. I guess it depends on the person who wears the ring and why. If they wear the ring because they choose to be a virgin until marriage but don't care about what other people do in their sexual lives, that's no big deal with me. If a person wears the ring to symbolize their desire to keep their virginity until marriage and ALSO to inform people that all people should remain "pure" until marriage, then I'd be liable to have some negative feelings towards that person, ex. "Who's she telling me how to live my life? I'm-a do what I want!" Of course, most people don't wear the ring for that purpose. It's not the same as wearing a shirt that says "I think all people who have sex before marriage are going to burn in hell." Man, I would rumble with that person. Where I have the problem is where they make it WELL KNOWN that they have one, and it somehow winds it way into every conversation. Same thing with straight edge kids. Good you don't drink, leave me the f' alone about it. Exactly.
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Post by biafra on Jan 4, 2009 14:53:46 GMT -5
So if you have sex with someone before marriage, you're automatically a slut? Even if it's always with the same person and it's someone you love? Bulls***. Who said that? Just because a person wears a symbol that tells society they aren't going to do what everyone says they should don't mean your automatically a judgmental asshole. I'm sure some of those ladies do have that superior belief but thats more about them than the symbol.
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Post by The Line on Jan 4, 2009 14:53:50 GMT -5
I have no problem with people that wear them, more power to them actually. Where I have the problem is where they make it WELL KNOWN that they have one, and it somehow winds it way into every conversation. Same thing with straight edge kids. Good you don't drink, leave me the f' alone about it. You put it beautifully my friend.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 4, 2009 14:54:23 GMT -5
I understand why someone would wear it. I mean..I remember back in school virgin was a dirty word, something to make fun of and something people lied about NOT being to fit in. Seeing that reality I respect and understand anyone who would put out the fact they are choosing to go against popular culture with a moral decision. I really don't get why it's more "moral" to remain virgin until you're married rather than not. I mean, people do what they want but as other people have pointed out, wearing a purity ring is rubbing it in people's face and saying "I'm not acting like YOU, and MY opinion is better than YOURS. Hence, I am better than you." If they don't feel like having sex until marriage, then may them not have sex until marriage, but don't come telling me that one decision is better or more moral than the other.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 4, 2009 14:55:05 GMT -5
But something just bugs me about people showing off the fact that they wait, as if it's a slap in the face to those who lose their virginity consensually before marriage. See, for the right reasons I don't think its showing off, anymore then wearing a cross necklace or a wedding ring. Its just something to symbolize how you feel. I think its like me wearing my ghostbusters hat; I support ghostbusters, but I'm not trying to show off to a non-Harold Ramis fan. Best analogy ever! This reminds me of my favorite part of the '08 VMAs when someone (might've been Sparks) criticized host Russel Brand for making fun of the Jonas Brothers for being abstinent and he came back with an "apology" in which he said "I think promise rings are a great thing actually. In fact I hope to collect a few before the night is over"
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Post by B'Cup x on Jan 4, 2009 15:04:05 GMT -5
Why does she gotta wear a ring to prove she ain't a ho? Why does she have to show it off like that? I'm not disrespecting the idea of waiting until marriage. It's your body, you do what you want with it. But something just bugs me about people showing off the fact that they wait, as if it's a slap in the face to those who lose their virginity consensually before marriage. My opinion on the matter. I may be totally wrong, but wearing your virinity and desire to wait openly would possibly stop others from trying it on with you whilst out.
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Post by The Line on Jan 4, 2009 15:13:08 GMT -5
My opinion on the matter. I may be totally wrong, but wearing your virinity and desire to wait openly would possibly stop others from trying it on with you whilst out. If you're in a relationship with someone , you should be able to use your words rather than a ring to convey your desires.
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Post by teamjd on Jan 4, 2009 15:15:53 GMT -5
So if you have sex with someone before marriage, you're automatically a slut? Even if it's always with the same person and it's someone you love? Bulls***. Who said that? Its in the original post. Probably poor wording, but its there. I even quoted it in my first response.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 4, 2009 15:20:44 GMT -5
In my experience the people who broadcast their purity the loudest end up being the biggest nymphomaniacs once they decide to have sex with someone. In high school I saw it all the time. A girl would be all pure and innocent up until graduation, then two months of college and she couldn't get enough dick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 15:22:49 GMT -5
Honestly? I don't care if they have it or not; I practice abstinence before marriage but I don't wear a ring nor do I feel any interest in doing so. I think a lot of people do it for publicity or to look good, but "a lot of people" doesn't mean everyone or even the majority.
If they want to do it, that's their prerogative, but I don't think they deserve any particular recognition for it.
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Post by KStrick on Jan 4, 2009 15:23:12 GMT -5
While I greatly appreciate the message it's conveying (I do believe in abstaining from sex before marriage for health, religious, and a slew of other reasons).
However, like most "signs", it's a great idea that people will ultimatly either grow to hate, or ignore the meaning, making it a fashion symbol. Similar to those LiveStrong bands that EVERYONE wore (ultimately leading to everyone and their brother making "support" rubber bands for anything from team pride to stripper support... I wish I were joking...), it will probably become a fashion symbol, or people will misleadingly wear them, or a whole slew of other issues.
Whenever I meet women, and the topic DOES lead to that point, I let them know that I myself abstain. Pretty much does the trick to get most of them to leave me alone, but some do thoe whole degrading/condescending tone that I've seen quite prevelent in this thread. Do I believe everyone should abstain? No. It's your right to do with your body what you want, so long as you don't hurt other people or corrupt the innocence of children (my ultimate "make-me-pissed-off-the-most-er").
But if you are the kind of person who believes in promiscuity, or social monogamy, God Bless you, it's just not the ideal I wish for for myself or my (hopeful) spouse-to-be.
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Post by B'Cup x on Jan 4, 2009 15:27:25 GMT -5
I may be totally wrong, but wearing your virinity and desire to wait openly would possibly stop others from trying it on with you whilst out. If you're in a relationship with someone , you should be able to use your words rather than a ring to convey your desires. aye, you can tell them no, but with the ring you can avoid that, Much like how homosexual men wear an earring in the right ear (or atleast used to) it avoids a potentially uncomftable situation Besides, a lot of people believe in the philosphy that if youve got if, flaunt it, and this is one of the most modest ways to flaunt you virgnity
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jan 4, 2009 15:28:54 GMT -5
While I greatly appreciate the message it's conveying (I do believe in abstaining from sex before marriage for health, religious, and a slew of other reasons). However, like most "signs", it's a great idea that people will ultimatly either grow to hate, or ignore the meaning, making it a fashion symbol. Similar to those LiveStrong bands that EVERYONE wore (ultimately leading to everyone and their brother making "support" rubber bands for anything from team pride to stripper support... I wish I were joking...), it will probably become a fashion symbol, or people will misleadingly wear them, or a whole slew of other issues. Whenever I meet women, and the topic DOES lead to that point, I let them know that I myself abstain. Pretty much does the trick to get most of them to leave me alone, but some do thoe whole degrading/condescending tone that I've seen quite prevelent in this thread. Do I believe everyone should abstain? No. It's your right to do with your body what you want, so long as you don't hurt other people or corrupt the innocence of children (my ultimate "make-me-pissed-off-the-most-er"). But if you are the kind of person who believes in promiscuity, or social monogamy, God Bless you, it's just not the ideal I wish for for myself or my (hopeful) spouse-to-be. I'm not abstinent, but other than that, I completely agree with this statement.
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Post by BK From WV on Jan 4, 2009 15:29:57 GMT -5
While I greatly appreciate the message it's conveying (I do believe in abstaining from sex before marriage for health, religious, and a slew of other reasons). However, like most "signs", it's a great idea that people will ultimatly either grow to hate, or ignore the meaning, making it a fashion symbol. Similar to those LiveStrong bands that EVERYONE wore (ultimately leading to everyone and their brother making "support" rubber bands for anything from team pride to stripper support... I wish I were joking...), it will probably become a fashion symbol, or people will misleadingly wear them, or a whole slew of other issues. Whenever I meet women, and the topic DOES lead to that point, I let them know that I myself abstain. Pretty much does the trick to get most of them to leave me alone, but some do thoe whole degrading/condescending tone that I've seen quite prevelent in this thread. Do I believe everyone should abstain? No. It's your right to do with your body what you want, so long as you don't hurt other people or corrupt the innocence of children (my ultimate "make-me-pissed-off-the-most-er"). But if you are the kind of person who believes in promiscuity, or social monogamy, God Bless you, it's just not the ideal I wish for for myself or my (hopeful) spouse-to-be. Well said and I agree 100%. I like the idea of the rings as long as they don't become a fashion symbol and lose their meaning.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jan 4, 2009 15:31:27 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with a young person who chooses to wear a purity ring. What I do have a problem with is parents and schools who choose to preach abstinence without advising the kids about birth control and especially STDs. To assume that most adolescents are going to abstain at a time in their lives that horniness is at its highest is to assume failure. Bingo was his name-o. Exactly the kind of point that I'd make if I knew how to make it. Heh.
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Post by The Line on Jan 4, 2009 15:37:45 GMT -5
While I greatly appreciate the message it's conveying (I do believe in abstaining from sex before marriage for health, religious, and a slew of other reasons). However, like most "signs", it's a great idea that people will ultimatly either grow to hate, or ignore the meaning, making it a fashion symbol. Similar to those LiveStrong bands that EVERYONE wore (ultimately leading to everyone and their brother making "support" rubber bands for anything from team pride to stripper support... I wish I were joking...), it will probably become a fashion symbol, or people will misleadingly wear them, or a whole slew of other issues. Whenever I meet women, and the topic DOES lead to that point, I let them know that I myself abstain. Pretty much does the trick to get most of them to leave me alone, but some do thoe whole degrading/condescending tone that I've seen quite prevelent in this thread. Do I believe everyone should abstain? No. It's your right to do with your body what you want, so long as you don't hurt other people or corrupt the innocence of children (my ultimate "make-me-pissed-off-the-most-er"). But if you are the kind of person who believes in promiscuity, or social monogamy, God Bless you, it's just not the ideal I wish for for myself or my (hopeful) spouse-to-be. I'm not abstinent, but other than that, I completely agree with this statement. same here(well, not the abstinent part)
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