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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 4, 2009 18:47:08 GMT -5
I believe that it's the people who have the opinion that wearing the rings is a bad idea that are the ones who have the problem. The social tradition of wearing a ring to signify something like abstinance is no different than the social tradition of someone wearing a ring to signify that they are engaged, or the tradition of wearing a wedding ring to signify they are married, or the tradition of wearing a bracelet to signify they support a cause, or the tradition of wearing a DARE shirt to signify they are against drugs. Or the tradition of of a yellow ribbon to signify support of the troops, or the tradition of wearing the cross to signify one's Christianity. When someone wears an engagement ring, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the engagement ring wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't engaged? When someone wears a wedding ring, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the wedding ring wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't married? When someone wears a bracelet to signify that they payed money to charity, does anyone get uncomfortable by thinking that the bracelet wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who don't wear similar bracelets? When someone wears a DARE shirt, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the DARE shirt wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't open about not using drugs? No. You can even be a chronic drug user and still not be annoyed at the idea of DARE. However, 95% of the time it would take being against the idea of drug free in order to be annoyed with the symbolism of the DARE. When someone shows a yellow ribbon, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the yellow ribbon showers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who don't show yellow ribbons? No. You can even be against war in general and not be annoyed with yellow ribbons. However, 90% of the time it would take being anti-military in order to be annoyed with the symbolism of the yellow ribbons. When someone wears the cross, does anyone get uncomfortable by thinking that the cross wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't christians? No. You can even be an atheist and not have a problem with christianity, however, 90% of the time it would take being anti-christian to be annoyed with anyone who wears the cross. I bet that most people don't even think about these examples. Why? Because no one has a problem with what they represent, well, except for mabe the DARE example. Do people who wear purity rings do it to say that they are better than those who don't wait for sex after marriage? No. You can almost say that it's the other way around, that it's the people who have slept with others (but not too many) who give off the aura that they are better than virgins or those who make the decision to wait for marraige some time after loosing their virginity, or just for that special person. They'll almost always have to answer the question of why if someone were to find out. Proof of my point is the usage of the word "realistic". I don't mean to piss people off, but that word is only used by people who don't try as hard for something as others do, it's not because anyone is "better", you would not have to try at all while someone else would have to try really hard if you really were "better", so "better" isn't true at all, just harder working. You can be around someone who has different views than you, but if it annoys you, then it's that person that has the problem. Person A could have slept with 50 people and be around person B who is a virgin and wears a purity ring, and person A could not be annoyed at all about the ring's symbolism. However, If person A is at all annoyed, just a little bit, than It's person A that has the problem, not person B. Because It's never about the symbolism, it's always about the issue behind it. It's never "just a shirt". I've already said multiple times that I have no problems with the rings themselves, or even the message behind them. Its when those wearing them(or even those who are against them) use it as an excuse to belittle their peers. There was/is a group from my hometown who would use issues like this and others that we didn't see eye to eye on as an excuse to pretend like they're on a social plane above me, an unwashed heathen. I didn't see the multiple times you said that. Particularly because I only read half the thread. I only read half the thread and I only saw a couple of your posts before making this post because, quite frankly, this wasn't directed towards you. You=Figurative. Also, I think what you said ties into my point anyway. The idea of people wearing the purity rings to rub it in other people's faces comes from the belief that people are wearing them for that purpose. It's like saying that there are DARE supporters who support the cause because they're "genuine" about it and then there are those who do it to rub it in people's faces, as if there are two groups of people. How would you tell the difference? They're both drug free. Also, on top of that, remember how uncool it is to be a 30 or 40 year old virgin in today's society (movies making fun of them?), It implies that there is something to rub in.
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Post by Grendel on Jan 4, 2009 18:50:00 GMT -5
Actually, I have no opinion on them, since I hadn't heard of such nonsense before I entered this thread.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 4, 2009 18:55:34 GMT -5
And the name "purity" rings bug me too. Sex doesn't make you "dirty" or anymore un-pure than anyone else. I guess I just don't get why chastity is such a virtue these days. Well, that's your opinion. It is, however, these people's opinion that, for their particular Overseer, it makes them more favorable. And it's really about not having sex until they're married. But there is a difference between someone who has sex every once and a while vs. someone who's an out and out nympho. I guess the ring just covers all bases to make sure. And the idea that one doesn't make themselves a slave to sex has kind of been thought of as a virtue for a while. But, for all times, it gets more and more difficult to practice. Then again, I also don't really know how old the idea of the Purity Ring is. I don't ever remember anyone in my high school wearing them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 19:36:36 GMT -5
I don't see the point in the rings themselves. If you want to wait until you're married to have sex, that's fine, but I don't see why you have to wear a ring to do that. It almost seems like an excuse to be preachy about not having sex, and if there's one thing I hate (there are several), it's when someone tries to force their beliefs on me.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 4, 2009 19:37:55 GMT -5
I believe that it's the people who have the opinion that wearing the rings is a bad idea that are the ones who have the problem. The social tradition of wearing a ring to signify something like abstinance is no different than the social tradition of someone wearing a ring to signify that they are engaged, or the tradition of wearing a wedding ring to signify they are married, or the tradition of wearing a bracelet to signify they support a cause, or the tradition of wearing a DARE shirt to signify they are against drugs. Or the tradition of of a yellow ribbon to signify support of the troops, or the tradition of wearing the cross to signify one's Christianity. When someone wears an engagement ring, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the engagement ring wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't engaged? When someone wears a wedding ring, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the wedding ring wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't married? When someone wears a bracelet to signify that they payed money to charity, does anyone get uncomfortable by thinking that the bracelet wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who don't wear similar bracelets? When someone wears a DARE shirt, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the DARE shirt wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't open about not using drugs? No. You can even be a chronic drug user and still not be annoyed at the idea of DARE. However, 95% of the time it would take being against the idea of drug free in order to be annoyed with the symbolism of the DARE. When someone shows a yellow ribbon, does anyone get uncomortable by thinking that the yellow ribbon showers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who don't show yellow ribbons? No. You can even be against war in general and not be annoyed with yellow ribbons. However, 90% of the time it would take being anti-military in order to be annoyed with the symbolism of the yellow ribbons. When someone wears the cross, does anyone get uncomfortable by thinking that the cross wearers are doing it to act like they're "better" than those who aren't christians? No. You can even be an atheist and not have a problem with christianity, however, 90% of the time it would take being anti-christian to be annoyed with anyone who wears the cross. I bet that most people don't even think about these examples. Why? Because no one has a problem with what they represent, well, except for mabe the DARE example. Do people who wear purity rings do it to say that they are better than those who don't wait for sex after marriage? No. You can almost say that it's the other way around, that it's the people who have slept with others (but not too many) who give off the aura that they are better than virgins or those who make the decision to wait for marraige some time after loosing their virginity, or just for that special person. They'll almost always have to answer the question of why if someone were to find out. Proof of my point is the usage of the word "realistic". I don't mean to piss people off, but that word is only used by people who don't try as hard for something as others do, it's not because anyone is "better", you would not have to try at all while someone else would have to try really hard if you really were "better", so "better" isn't true at all, just harder working. You can be around someone who has different views than you, but if it annoys you, then it's that person that has the problem. Person A could have slept with 50 people and be around person B who is a virgin and wears a purity ring, and person A could not be annoyed at all about the ring's symbolism. However, If person A is at all annoyed, just a little bit, than It's person A that has the problem, not person B. Because It's never about the symbolism, it's always about the issue behind it. It's never "just a shirt". I've already said multiple times that I have no problems with the rings themselves, or even the message behind them. Its when those wearing them(or even those who are against them) use it as an excuse to belittle their peers. There was/is a group from my hometown who would use issues like this and others that we didn't see eye to eye on as an excuse to pretend like they're on a social plane above me, an unwashed heathen. Same with Andy, and this is my fault because I didn't make myself clear, and I made it sound as if anybody who wears a promise ring is some sort of snotty, self-righteous person, and that's not true, and for that I apologize. It's just that I've never encountered a person who chose to be abstinent (until I heard from certain members of this board) without them making it some sort of big deal about it. Same thing with the Straight Edge people I've met. They don't shut up about how they are still pure and clean. It's fine that they are, and if they want to wear the ring or put the Xs on their hands, let them do it. But if they do, they should kindly keep from judging me based on my private affairs, and I'll kindly keep from judging them on theirs.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 4, 2009 19:39:40 GMT -5
I think they're a joke. You don't want to have sex? Cool. You want to have sex? Cool. I agree with the poster who said what if you have sex with only one person who you love before marriage? Does that make you "tainted?" Hasn't it been proven that telling kids not to do something makes them want to do it more? Education is the key. Not scare tactics
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Post by King Boo on Jan 4, 2009 19:56:58 GMT -5
Why does it have to be in your face or a scare tactic? Just because they wear it where you can see it? I mean, if someone can dress suggestively and it be a form of their self expression, why can't the same be said about a person who wears a purity ring? Why can't it be their form of self expression?
Seriously, who cares?
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jan 4, 2009 20:04:02 GMT -5
I have no problem with actual idea of wanting to wait until marriage if that's what you want(in fact, I myself wanted to wait until I got married when I was younger, although I have since changed my mind seeing as to how I never want to get married). But I think wearing a ring for it is unnecessary. I guess I just don't understand why you would want everyone you come in contact with knowing about your sex life(or lack thereof). I've heard some people say that they use the rings as a "reminder" and I don't get that either. It's like, do you have people throwing themselves at you every single day and you use the ring as a sort of "What Would Jesus Do?" reminder? And the name "purity" rings bug me too. Sex doesn't make you "dirty" or anymore un-pure than anyone else. I guess I just don't get why chastity is such a virtue these days. Amen, sister! The implication of "purity" is what bugs me. Am I somehow "impure" or "dirty" because I didn't wait until I was married. For that matter, is it "premarital relations" if you have no plans on ever getting married? In a purely informational context, as opposed to a debate topic, which is forbidden by board rules, In Christian Morality, purity is a metaphor for living a life in avoidance of sin, which would include fornication (fancy word for extra-marital sex). It matters little if you want to get married or not, as wedlock is considered the only lawful state for one to have sex in.
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Post by The Line on Jan 4, 2009 20:05:29 GMT -5
I've already said multiple times that I have no problems with the rings themselves, or even the message behind them. Its when those wearing them(or even those who are against them) use it as an excuse to belittle their peers. There was/is a group from my hometown who would use issues like this and others that we didn't see eye to eye on as an excuse to pretend like they're on a social plane above me, an unwashed heathen. I didn't see the multiple times you said that. Particularly because I only read half the thread. I only read half the thread and I only saw a couple of your posts before making this post because, quite frankly, this wasn't directed towards you. You=Figurative. Also, I think what you said ties into my point anyway. The idea of people wearing the purity rings to rub it in other people's faces comes from the belief that people are wearing them for that purpose. It's like saying that there are DARE supporters who support the cause because they're "genuine" about it and then there are those who do it to rub it in people's faces, as if there are two groups of people. How would you tell the difference? They're both drug free. I figured it was directed at me since you quoted one of my posts. And I can tell the difference between the two because of their attitudes. a more genuine druge free person would say something like "Naw man, I don't do that, but thanks though", and that would be it. The people I've dealt with in the past would usually go on and on saying things like "Unlike you, I am pure and blah blah" so on and so forth, sometimes with little prompting.
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Post by chibidiablo on Jan 4, 2009 20:09:41 GMT -5
Gimmick
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jan 4, 2009 20:13:51 GMT -5
I'm CM Crunk, and I'm better than you!!!! (Slides on purity ring)
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jan 4, 2009 20:40:10 GMT -5
They're not nearly good as my "man whore" shirt...
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 4, 2009 20:42:23 GMT -5
My main issue with them is that they foster an unhealthy approach to sex most of the time.
I have no qualms with the idea that sex is something that involves responsibility and maturity. Even if you go to college and sleep around, you shouldn't do it until you're grown up and smart enough to know about protection and things like that. To that extent, there's nothing wrong with the idea of avoiding it "until you're ready."
But I don't like the implications and unhealthy views of sex some people take, that it's "dirty" or whatever. Sex is natural and enjoyable, but it comes with responsibilities etc. etc. etc. There's nothing "dirty" about it or having it.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 4, 2009 20:44:07 GMT -5
Two Words:
Pillow. Pants.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 4, 2009 20:45:04 GMT -5
I have no problem with actual idea of wanting to wait until marriage if that's what you want(in fact, I myself wanted to wait until I got married when I was younger, although I have since changed my mind seeing as to how I never want to get married). But I think wearing a ring for it is unnecessary. I guess I just don't understand why you would want everyone you come in contact with knowing about your sex life(or lack thereof). I've heard some people say that they use the rings as a "reminder" and I don't get that either. It's like, do you have people throwing themselves at you every single day and you use the ring as a sort of "What Would Jesus Do?" reminder? And the name "purity" rings bug me too. Sex doesn't make you "dirty" or anymore un-pure than anyone else. I guess I just don't get why chastity is such a virtue these days. Amen, sister! The implication of "purity" is what bugs me. Am I somehow "impure" or "dirty" because I didn't wait until I was married. For that matter, is it "premarital relations" if you have no plans on ever getting married? Non-Marital relations?
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 4, 2009 20:46:46 GMT -5
I have no problem with actual idea of wanting to wait until marriage if that's what you want(in fact, I myself wanted to wait until I got married when I was younger, although I have since changed my mind seeing as to how I never want to get married). But I think wearing a ring for it is unnecessary. I guess I just don't understand why you would want everyone you come in contact with knowing about your sex life(or lack thereof). I've heard some people say that they use the rings as a "reminder" and I don't get that either. It's like, do you have people throwing themselves at you every single day and you use the ring as a sort of "What Would Jesus Do?" reminder? And the name "purity" rings bug me too. Sex doesn't make you "dirty" or anymore un-pure than anyone else. I guess I just don't get why chastity is such a virtue these days. Amen, sister! The implication of "purity" is what bugs me. Am I somehow "impure" or "dirty" because I didn't wait until I was married. Yes, you dirty, dirty little whore.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jan 4, 2009 22:14:16 GMT -5
I don't need a purity ring to remind me not to f*** around. I know it's a mind-blowing, revolutionary concept but someone tell them the ring isn't a mind control device.
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Post by biafra on Jan 4, 2009 23:09:09 GMT -5
Why does it have to be in your face or a scare tactic? Just because they wear it where you can see it? I mean, if someone can dress suggestively and it be a form of their self expression, why can't the same be said about a person who wears a purity ring? Why can't it be their form of self expression? Seriously, who cares? Yes. In the end people are way too damn touchy about everything.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jan 4, 2009 23:22:32 GMT -5
But something just bugs me about people showing off the fact that they wait, as if it's a slap in the face to those who lose their virginity consensually before marriage. See, for the right reasons I don't think its showing off, anymore then wearing a cross necklace or a wedding ring. Its just something to symbolize how you feel. I think its like me wearing my ghostbusters hat; I support ghostbusters, but I'm not trying to show off to a non-Harold Ramis fan. This argument can go both ways, as they are opinions. For me, it depends on how the individual handles it. Them being chaste is their choice, and as long as they aren't trumpeting it to the heavens every chance they get, showing it off, and the like, then it really wont impact it. If someone asks about the ring, and it comes up, then yes, it is isn't offensive. If another person uses every possible chance to bring up the ring and it's significance, especially in conversations that have no bearing to that topic, then it's rude, prideful and a host of other things. HOWEVER, the issue I have is the term for the ring, as it implies that sexual activity is IMPURE.
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Jan 4, 2009 23:49:52 GMT -5
Yeah, good luck with that. Just stay away from alcohol, lady. You can either be abstinent or sober, not both.
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