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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 18:28:26 GMT -5
Who'd have thought a movie with vampires, werewolves, a pervert/stalker, and a teenage half-naked Native American child molester would be such a huge hit? This completely sums up my entire thought process regarding this franchise...I can just picture Sai King shaking his head right now
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Nov 22, 2009 18:28:30 GMT -5
There are officially too many teenage girls in this country.
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Post by biafra on Nov 22, 2009 18:41:33 GMT -5
You spent all weekend thinking about a movie you hate? You know..I loathe Ghost Rider but I've only spent five minutes at a time fuming over that one. Big difference about that. Twilight is vastly overrated, while Ghost Rider (the movie) is really unheard of. Seeing as how the movie is panned by critics and most of the universe outside of the young female demographic I don't see how Twilight is over rated. As far as Ghost Rider being unheard of...I certainly have. And wished I haven't.
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Post by biafra on Nov 22, 2009 18:44:55 GMT -5
Most of the people watching twilight are young and will grow out of it. However, the people who think less of them for it will most likely always be arrogant jackasses that seem to find some sense of superiority based on what entertainment option they choose to piss away their free time with. Of course most of the people with attitude here choose to spend that time reading comics, playing video games, watching cartoons and other bona fide intellectual endeavors. Not to mention hanging out on a forum dedicated to men pretending to fight one another. My point is we all like something that other people will find ridiculous. you do realize your doing the exact same thing right? Pot meet kettle No I'm not. I don't have the first thing against the people who like any of that stuff. My point was, which I said, is we all find enjoyment in something that other people ridiculous. I don't have anything personal against people who find worth in something I don't get, nor do I pass judgment on their intelligence and lack thereof because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 18:49:49 GMT -5
you do realize your doing the exact same thing right? Pot meet kettle No I'm not. I don't have the first thing against the people who like any of that stuff. My point was, which I said, is we all find enjoyment in something that other people ridiculous. I don't have anything personal against people who find worth in something I don't get, nor do I pass judgment on their intelligence and lack thereof because of it. Calling someone an arrogant jackass and derogatorily talking about what that "type" person enjoys because you feel they insulted what you do kind of seems like you have more then "the first thing against the people"...Superiority is subjective...people get way too defensive over things that in all honesty dont pertain to them Believe me i dont want to argue...your a great guy there's just way too many lengths that people will go to to denounce or defend something...at the end of the day it still is what it is...thats the joy of having free will...if you dont like it dont watch it.
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Post by biafra on Nov 22, 2009 18:56:46 GMT -5
No I'm not. I don't have the first thing against the people who like any of that stuff. My point was, which I said, is we all find enjoyment in something that other people ridiculous. I don't have anything personal against people who find worth in something I don't get, nor do I pass judgment on their intelligence and lack thereof because of it. Calling someone an arrogant jackass and derogatorily talking about what that "type" person enjoys because they insulted what you do kind of seems like you have more then "the first thing against the people"...Superiority is subjective...people get way too defensive over things that in all honesty dont pertain to them I was using those examples because those are things that most of the twilight fan bashers than I know enjoy that other people find silly. My points stand. I've never had an issue with the people who like something I don't; and It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people actually think someones taste in something makes them superior or someone else inferior. Notice I didn't say they didn't have the right to those opinions; I didn't request the thread locked or the posts deleted...but if I see that behavior i will probably call someone on it; no matter who that pisses off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 19:02:17 GMT -5
I think the important thing to me, and the reason I hate Twilight so much is they have trashed the badass-ness of vampires and werewolves. Last time I checked, Vampires weren't allowed in the sun, and they drank human blood. Also, neither werewolves or vampires were glittery. This. Except that A. Dracula, while not as powerful in the sunlight, could indeed function in the daytime. B. The idea of Vampires drinking non-human blood is old hat, with vampires using serums in various stories or drinking only animal blood (old idea from Vampire: the Masquerade). Indeed, more powerful vampires have to resort to drinking vampire blood, usually creating their own blood sources. C. Vampires were not glittery but they were made attractive and inhuman in appearance from Anne Rice on. While they didn't glitter, they did resemble ivory, whalebone, and other not necessarily unattractive substances. Matheison's "I Am Legend" also takes pains pointing out the main character's sexual attraction to the lewd vampire women.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 22, 2009 19:03:40 GMT -5
Calling someone an arrogant jackass and derogatorily talking about what that "type" person enjoys because they insulted what you do kind of seems like you have more then "the first thing against the people"...Superiority is subjective...people get way too defensive over things that in all honesty dont pertain to them I was using those examples because those are things that most of the twilight fan bashers than I know enjoy that other people find silly. My points stand. I've never had an issue with the people who like something I don't; and It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people actually think someones taste in something makes them superior or someone else inferior. Notice I didn't say they didn't have the right to those opinions; I didn't request the thread locked or the posts deleted...but if I see that behavior i will probably call someone on it; no matter who that pisses off. Dude, the audience was 80% female. 80%. I'm normally not the type of person to bring up "man law" gimmicks in my discourse, but when a movie gets this type of slant, its inevitable. Insulting a guy for not liking Twilight is like insulting a girl for not liking wrestling. It goes against the basic nature of the demographic.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 22, 2009 19:11:43 GMT -5
Except that A. Dracula, while not as powerful in the sunlight, could indeed function in the daytime. B. The idea of Vampires drinking non-human blood is old hat, with vampires using serums in various stories or drinking only animal blood (old idea from Vampire: the Masquerade). Indeed, more powerful vampires have to resort to drinking vampire blood, usually creating their own blood sources. C. Vampires were not glittery but they were made attractive and inhuman in appearance from Anne Rice on. While they didn't glitter, they did resemble ivory, whalebone, and other not necessarily unattractive substances. Matheison's "I Am Legend" also takes pains pointing out the main character's sexual attraction to the lewd vampire women. Attractive vampires date back to Dracula himself. The "nonhuman blood=good" thing, however, is hooey in ANY source, be it RPGs, Blade, Twilight, whatever. I always thought it was a dumb cop-out.
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Post by biafra on Nov 22, 2009 19:17:57 GMT -5
I was using those examples because those are things that most of the twilight fan bashers than I know enjoy that other people find silly. My points stand. I've never had an issue with the people who like something I don't; and It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people actually think someones taste in something makes them superior or someone else inferior. Notice I didn't say they didn't have the right to those opinions; I didn't request the thread locked or the posts deleted...but if I see that behavior i will probably call someone on it; no matter who that pisses off. Dude, the audience was 80% female. 80%. I'm normally not the type of person to bring up "man law" gimmicks in my discourse, but when a movie gets this type of slant, its inevitable. Insulting a guy for not liking Twilight is like insulting a girl for not liking wrestling. It goes against the basic nature of the demographic. Who is insulting guys for not liking Twilight? That would be silly. For the record *I* I don't find anything in the least bit interesting about the series, written or on film. I just don't think that somehow makes me better or the people who do stupid.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 22, 2009 19:19:39 GMT -5
Who is insulting guys for not liking Twilight? That would be silly. Isn't that what you did in the Doctor Doom minifeud you had in this thread? Putting "TwilightRox" in your name is practically begging some people to start flaming you.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 22, 2009 19:22:58 GMT -5
No one insulted anyone for not liking Twilight.
Some people have insulted those who DO like it, and were in turn insulted for being so insulting towards others. But at no point that I have seen has anyone gone "You don't like Twilight? Then you're stupid!" or anything.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Nov 22, 2009 19:23:34 GMT -5
My Problem with the Twilight series:
1. The books themselves are honestly nothing more then a poorly written Anne Rice novel fanfiction with a poorly written self insert main character and a male lead that if he existed in real life would be the "boyfriend your friends try to get you away from because he is not good for you". The books deliver a negative message.
2. The fangirls. Now don't get me wrong. I have no problem with someone liking something. Most of my female friends and my mom read Twilight. They don't go on about it unless one of them is reading it and discussing it with someone (You know, like if you are watching a TV show and you are talking about what just happened). There's nothing wrong here with being a fan of something, my own personal feeling of the series aside.
I have a problem with people screaming whenever "Edward" is mentioned no matter the surroundings. I have a problem with people who run up to cardboard cut outs and posters in the cinema and start kissing them. I have a problem where every woman I know seems to have lost all sense and wants to freaking marry a fictional character (I refer you to the fml quote of "My girlfriend dumped me because I wasn't more like Edward. fml") I have a problem with fans saying Stephen King is a hack and a bad writer just because of one comment he made about the series. I have a huge freaking problem of young women cutting themselves and running up to Robert Patterson in the middle of street to ask him to suck her blood (While he annoyed me at first, I have full respect for him just putting up with this nonsense).
Sure there are people who obsess with stuff. You have somethng Red Dwarf related I'll probably be there to snap it up straight away. But there is being obsessed and then there is some of the stuff I listed above. It just gets on your nerves after a while and you do start hating it.
3. And this is the big one. This isn't about screwing up vampires or any of that glittery nonsense.
This is about other people. There are far better books out there that deserve the attention then I believe Twilight does. There are better movies which will never get the same media coverage as this series (And other series I find severally overrated such as Saw). There are actors out there who deserve the awards alot more then this group of "actors"
I'm sure if Twilight wasn't here we would just complain about something else. But after years of seeing people laugh at bad fanfiction on the internet only for one to be published and compared by some people to Shakespeare (seriously?) quite frankly upsets me that this is where modern literature has got us.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 22, 2009 19:26:23 GMT -5
On this site (or any site, really) that's inevitable. People either really like Twilight or they absolutely hate it with a passion that burns like a thousand suns. Even Miley Cyrus called it a cult. Expecting any measure of objectivity in reactions to Twilight (either pro or con) is a fool's errand.
BTW, there are plenty of Twilight fans out there who will shout you down for not liking it. This sort of venting is completely expected on a wrestling site of all places.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 19:28:31 GMT -5
Except that A. Dracula, while not as powerful in the sunlight, could indeed function in the daytime. B. The idea of Vampires drinking non-human blood is old hat, with vampires using serums in various stories or drinking only animal blood (old idea from Vampire: the Masquerade). Indeed, more powerful vampires have to resort to drinking vampire blood, usually creating their own blood sources. C. Vampires were not glittery but they were made attractive and inhuman in appearance from Anne Rice on. While they didn't glitter, they did resemble ivory, whalebone, and other not necessarily unattractive substances. Matheison's "I Am Legend" also takes pains pointing out the main character's sexual attraction to the lewd vampire women. Attractive vampires date back to Dracula himself. The "nonhuman blood=good" thing, however, is hooey in ANY source, be it RPGs, Blade, Twilight, whatever. I always thought it was a dumb cop-out. Dracula was sort of attractive in the book; he gets younger in appearance but he's still described as more of a jarring foreigner in appearance (steel colored mustache for example). Though, Le Fanu's "Carmilla" with its pseudo-lesbian vampire predates that anyway. Nonhuman blood as a cop out: I agree but its still enough of a staple to not blame "Twilight" for its presence. I'm not a Twilight fan. Never read the books and don't have a desire to. Too many other things to read.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 22, 2009 19:33:59 GMT -5
Dracula was sort of attractive in the book; he gets younger in appearance but he's still described as more of a jarring foreigner in appearance (steel colored mustache for example). Though, Le Fanu's "Carmilla" with its pseudo-lesbian vampire predates that anyway. Nonhuman blood as a cop out: I agree but its still enough of a staple to not blame "Twilight" for its presence. I'm not a Twilight fan. Never read the books and don't have a desire to. Too many other things to read. True, you can't really blame Twilight, since the nonhuman blood had (unfortunately) been used as a literary cop-out by plenty of sources before. I recall the "vampires trying to drink each other's blood to become supervampires" thing from Blade 2 and 3 and I didn't like the storyline in either one. One big problem I have (and not just with Twilight) is...why does modern literature have to be so snorking long? I read an interview with Cormac McCarthy claiming he always tries to write succintly, but you have people reading vampire romance lit that's double the length of Bram Stoker's original novel. Authors should be judged by how much they accomplish with so little (Lord of the Flies is one of the greatest novels of the 20th century).
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 22, 2009 19:34:54 GMT -5
Objectivity may be a fool's errand, but I don't think civility should be. If you don't like something, cool; but people should have the maturity not to insult the hell out of anyone who does.
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Post by biafra on Nov 22, 2009 19:37:56 GMT -5
Who is insulting guys for not liking Twilight? That would be silly. Isn't that what you did in the Doctor Doom minifeud you had in this thread? Putting "TwilightRox" in your name is practically begging some people to start flaming you. No I didn't. You're missing the point. People have every right to hate Twilight. I don't blame them. My only point in this entire thread has been a continuation of my ongoing diatribe against folks who for some reason insult other people for what they do or don't like. i believe that it is arrogant and asinine behavior and nary a chance will pass for me to point that out that I won't take it.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 22, 2009 19:47:28 GMT -5
All I'm saying is, in reference to the title, box office receipts do not a good movie make. Just look at Transformers 2. It was an idiotic mess of a movie, and it outgrossed every other movie this summer.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 22, 2009 19:49:42 GMT -5
I was there for the Friday night showing. Stood in a line that went outside the theatre into the parking lot. Then had to sit in the 2nd row looking almost straight up at the screen. And I had to listen to dozens of 50-year-old fat women whistling whenever Jacob took his shirt off (which was pretty much 3/4 of the movie).
I did it all for my girlfriend. And I guess I'd do it again. I mean, she DID sit through Star Trek with me earlier this year.
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