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Post by ani on Nov 23, 2009 12:07:52 GMT -5
Yikes! That's insane Sharpy although to be fair it may only be a minority of the fans of the series who do that (just like how it's not all anime fangirls who obsess over yaoi.)
Robert Pattinson actually seems like a likable guy to me. He comes off pretty cool in interviews I've seen.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 23, 2009 12:47:15 GMT -5
If we can trust kids not to go out and shoot people just because they do so in a video game, I think we can trust them not to let Twilight become too influential either.
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Post by segaz on Nov 23, 2009 12:59:10 GMT -5
If we can trust kids not to go out and shoot people just because they do so in a video game, I think we can trust them not to let Twilight become too influential either. oooh! Good comeback. I play COD, yeah sometimes I get annoyed with the game, I don't start wanting to gun people down. Hopefully we can trust em. I remember all the hate Pokemon got when it became super popular. |
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Nov 23, 2009 13:06:53 GMT -5
If we can trust kids not to go out and shoot people just because they do so in a video game, I think we can trust them not to let Twilight become too influential either. Good point. Despite my general dislike for Twilight, if other people like it, then so be it. If people know how to seperate fantasy and reality, then good, no problem -- though it can still be annoying. |
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Post by hollywood on Nov 23, 2009 13:15:31 GMT -5
I really want a Sequel to "30 Days Of Night" I want vicious vampires again Well, the director of 30 Days of Night is directing the third Twilight movie...   |
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Post by tap on Nov 23, 2009 16:08:27 GMT -5
That's valid as well, but that's the fault of the parents moreso than the franchise itself. I'm just reposting what I wrote in the other New Moon/Twilight thread because I said the same thing. And then some other stuff. But that's not the fault of the film and the filmmakers (and with it, Meyer and her publishers). Kids shouldn't be gleaning morality from vampire stories, but it is the responsibility of the parents who are most likely buying these books and movie tickets for their kids to educate their children about healthy interpersonal relationships and the ups and downs of life that go with them. Marketing Twilight to adolescents isn't necessarily morally evil, it's calculated. I'm not saying this is right, but I'm not saying sole responsibility should be shouldered by the producers of media. Parents in this case should be the arbiters of what their children do or don't see to the point where their kids are able to start determining what is best for them. I wouldn't even go so far to say that Twilight and Twilight-related properties even promotes the idea of stalkerish boys and damsel-in-distress girls: those are plot points. The only ideas I could see in the Twilight franchise that it pushes would be: the formation of the heterosexual couple (which is a staple of most cinematic narratives, an idea attributed to Raymond Bellour); the continuation of the film industry as an auxiliary of capital generation (just look at the midnight screening revenues); and as a product of standardization and consumption, the film functions to smooth over and erase any ruptures to the ideological status quo through entertainment (borrowed from Horkheimer and Adorno's critiques of the 'culture industry'). Complaints about what messages young people are seemingly superficial in relation to these wider factors. And even then, one can still enjoy the film while being conscious of these factors... or not. No one is really duped into buying into these values because buying a ticket already subscribes to the continued success of the whole of the system (even so far that this is where the true enjoyment of seeing a movie lies). |
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Post by darthalexander on Nov 23, 2009 16:17:58 GMT -5
It may beat TDK's totals in the first weekend but I highly doubt it will beat the overall record to become the 2nd biggest film.
God, how does such junk do so well? No wonder we get so many crappy movies today.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Nov 23, 2009 16:56:46 GMT -5
All I'm saying is, in reference to the title, box office receipts do not a good movie make. Just look at Transformers 2. It was an idiotic mess of a movie, and it outgrossed every other movie this summer. I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and most Twi-Hards in a nut-shell. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 23, 2009 17:04:13 GMT -5
All I'm saying is, in reference to the title, box office receipts do not a good movie make. Just look at Transformers 2. It was an idiotic mess of a movie, and it outgrossed every other movie this summer. I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and Twilight fans in a nut-shell. Because people were never physically attracted to Optimus Prime. Actual romantic attraction is a very dangerous force and can lead to revulsion, fights and REALLY ugly behavior. |
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Post by Goldenbane on Nov 23, 2009 17:05:42 GMT -5
All I'm saying is, in reference to the title, box office receipts do not a good movie make. Just look at Transformers 2. It was an idiotic mess of a movie, and it outgrossed every other movie this summer. I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and Twilight fans in a nut-shell. I'm a Twilight fan and I've never viciously attacked you, yet you're now lumping all of us in the same category as insulting anyone who doesn't like the books/movies/whatever. If you believe the Twilight Hardcores are all like that, fine...but don't put me in that category. |
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Post by Cela on Nov 23, 2009 17:16:52 GMT -5
I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and Twilight fans in a nut-shell. I'm a Twilight fan and I've never viciously attacked you, yet you're now lumping all of us in the same category as insulting anyone who doesn't like the books/movies/whatever. If you believe the Twilight Hardcores are all like that, fine...but don't put me in that category. I hate you both and you both smell of moldy cheese. There, now can we stop this frikkin Parlimentary civilized insulting? |
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Nov 23, 2009 17:19:47 GMT -5
I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and Twilight fans in a nut-shell. I'm a Twilight fan and I've never viciously attacked you, yet you're now lumping all of us in the same category as insulting anyone who doesn't like the books/movies/whatever. If you believe the Twilight Hardcores are all like that, fine...but don't put me in that category. You're judged by the company you keep. ;D But seriously, that was not my intention, so apologies. I should've elaborated that I meant the rather sizable group of fans known politely as Twi-Hards, and impolitely as Twi-Tards. |
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Nov 23, 2009 17:22:12 GMT -5
I liked Transformers 2, personally. But you're entitled to your opinion, and I won't viciously insult you for it. And that's the difference between me and Twilight fans in a nut-shell. Because people were never physically attracted to Optimus Prime. Actual romantic attraction is a very dangerous force and can lead to revulsion, fights and REALLY ugly behavior. I did find Megan Fox unnaturally hot. Not enough to vehemently defend her from the legions of Fox-haters out there, though. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 23, 2009 17:24:18 GMT -5
I did find Megan Fox unnaturally hot. Not enough to vehemently defend her from the legions of Fox-haters out there, though. Finding someone "hot" and "OMFG I NEED TO MARRY _____" are different reactions. You can be attracted to people without being romantically obsessive. Transformers was more about blowing things up than cheesecake anyway. |
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Post by Triple Kelly on Nov 23, 2009 18:11:03 GMT -5
Who'd have thought a movie with vampires, werewolves, a pervert/stalker, and a teenage half-naked Native American child molester would be such a huge hit? It's amazing how many weak minds will buy that one under the guise of "true soulmate love". Between this and the Sex and the City movies, the future of cinema is doomed. DOOOOOOMED. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 23, 2009 18:13:03 GMT -5
I have seen so much crap to know that this idea and the basis of the entire story......is incredibly stupid.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 23, 2009 18:16:34 GMT -5
Also, from what someone who actually saw the movie told me.....if your boyfriend treats you like crap, you should stay with him if he tolds you that he loves you.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Nov 23, 2009 18:21:17 GMT -5
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Post by Goldenbane on Nov 23, 2009 20:58:28 GMT -5
I'm a Twilight fan and I've never viciously attacked you, yet you're now lumping all of us in the same category as insulting anyone who doesn't like the books/movies/whatever. If you believe the Twilight Hardcores are all like that, fine...but don't put me in that category. You're judged by the company you keep. ;D But seriously, that was not my intention, so apologies. I should've elaborated that I meant the rather sizable group of fans known politely as Twi-Hards, and impolitely as Twi-Tards. I was in a bad mood when I saw your post, so I definately over reacted. Apology accepted, and many thanks to you! To be fair, I know the types of Twilight fan y'all hate, and while I feel they aren't exclusive to Twilight, that is the big thing right now so they have the loudest voice. Just put up with them for a little while longer, and this thing will blow through like it always does.  |
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 23, 2009 21:01:24 GMT -5
If we can trust kids not to go out and shoot people just because they do so in a video game, I think we can trust them not to let Twilight become too influential either. I don't really see the correlation there. I don't think we can compare violent, often unrealistic video games with a story that actually is somewhat reflective of the way many people DO approach relationships. There have been surveys/studies that have shown that young women today have displayed a sort of backlash towards traditional feminism. Whether or not you think that's a good/bad thing/whatever, it's also reflected in a pop culture that has begun feeding back into the princess/damsel in distress archetype. The demand for it has been there, and it is being catered to. Twilight feeds directly into that; it's not the cause of it, but it comes off as a reinforcement. The female protagonist is weak, is willing to put herself in mortal danger to get attention from her controlling boyfriend, is willing to abandon her entire life (even her freakin' humanity) after about a week of knowing him, all the while only extolling him for his looks and demeanor, with the kicker being that she never matures, and never grows to look at their love in a different way. Rather, it remains teenage obsession/infatuation. This honestly wouldn't faze me at all (think of the countless harlequin romance novels that are out there that portray the exact same thing), but this franchise knows damn well who it's appealing to, and while there are plenty of 30+ women who are buying this stuff up, the big money maker is appealing to the 10-20 year olds. So, no, I'm not happy that many of my students, and my little 9 year old cousin, and others are looking up to this story and obsessing over it, wanting to emulate it, as the cultural trend towards reviving these outmoded relationship models continues on. Frankly, its kind of frightening to me. Again, this book series isn't the cause of it at all, but it's the biggest, most obvious sign of it's existence. EDIT: Really, the more I think about it, the funnier it seems that the two best ways I've heard to improve this series would be the two ways that would probably ruin it for so many of it's fans: like others have said, either having it all turn out to be Edward controlling Bella and making her infatuated with him (ala Eric getting Sookie to drink his blood on True Blood, or Dracula controlling Renfield), or by turning the story into a complete satirizing of teen romance, and how it treats every little thing like life and death. Actually, Bella could've become a very, very interesting character, if she started the way she does in the series, but then grows into a more mature, more independent-minded person, who realizes how infatuation does not equal romance. Too bad. |
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