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Post by baerrtt on Apr 15, 2010 12:19:47 GMT -5
And yet ironically if Rey's entire tenure in WWE had been booked like his laughable World Title 'reign' (the seeming inability to beat anyone remotely bigger than he) the standard smark complaint would be the one that's existed since the beginning of Hulkamania and that's 'why can't the promotion make the little guys look strong for a change?'.
The company, btw, were actually seriously thinking about making Rey a World champion back in 2005 whilst he was feuding with Eddie. Heck even Kevin Nash of all people during an interview with PW Torch that year endorsed the idea.
The fact is Rey ended up with the title before RVD and Booker because before the wellness violatioins he had proven to be far more trustworthy than the former and wasn't contemplating retirement every 5 seconds like the latter.
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Post by dpg on Apr 15, 2010 12:31:59 GMT -5
As someone who stopped watching WWE regularly several years back, and isn't a Punk fan, I can honestly say Rey Mysterio bored me years ago. The 619 is not a finishing move, anyone who gets killed off with that looks very weak. In WCW it was just a pop move to look cool, and it did.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Apr 15, 2010 12:48:16 GMT -5
And yet ironically if Rey's entire tenure in WWE had been booked like his laughable World Title 'reign' (the seeming inability to beat anyone remotely bigger than he) the standard smark complaint would be the one that's existed since the beginning of Hulkamania and that's 'why can't the promotion make the little guys look strong for a change?'. The company, btw, were actually seriously thinking about making Rey a World champion back in 2005 whilst he was feuding with Eddie. Heck even Kevin Nash of all people during an interview with PW Torch that year endorsed the idea. The fact is Rey ended up with the title before RVD and Booker because before the wellness violatioins he had proven to be far more trustworthy than the former and wasn't contemplating retirement every 5 seconds like the latter. Still doesn't change my opinion... |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Apr 15, 2010 17:23:10 GMT -5
I can't stand him either. He is beyond stale to me, and he just doesn't interest me in the least bit.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 15, 2010 19:35:53 GMT -5
About people thinking he'll win this next match: I keep thinking Punk will win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2010 20:06:01 GMT -5
The only way I can see Punk winning at Extreme Rules is if Darren Young joins the Straight Edge Society, which would make no sense because through pure transitive property he's better than all of them.
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Post by Porter on Apr 15, 2010 20:30:57 GMT -5
Rey is awesome.He entertains me unlike a long winded CM Punk promo.
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Post by badnewsbrownfan on Apr 15, 2010 21:07:03 GMT -5
i could never stand him, i have never been a fan of his
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Post by Richard on Apr 15, 2010 22:04:39 GMT -5
Hated Rey since his WCW days so this isn't new to me. I just wish certain people would open their minds to the fact that people have favorites and surprise surprise, want to see them win and do well.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Apr 15, 2010 22:07:11 GMT -5
I liked him in WCW. I liked him as part of the Smackdown 6. Since then? Meh.
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Post by Massive G on Apr 16, 2010 1:38:29 GMT -5
man, you guys are all nuts.
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Apr 16, 2010 2:03:14 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Mysterio's by any means. I haven't found him very appealing since I was 12 or 13 but man do I respect him. It's the same way I respect The Undertaker. Their bodies are racked and beat up and tortured by injuries and tenure yet the still put out quality matches while adapting to their limitations.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Apr 16, 2010 6:58:33 GMT -5
Honestly, I realize my level of hate for him has reached apathy. With nearly any other wrestler I simply don't like i'll still watch thier matches because there's a chance theyy might lose or put on a great match. Unless it's a Great opponent or PPV I'll skip a Rey-Rey match due to the forgone conclusion.
His matches are predictable, his dead man splash is laughable as a legitimate finisher but apparently due to his injuries it's all he can do. I actually used to love Rey Mysterio, but as with many his injuries hobbling his moveset, the Guererro pity-reign, and his odd bookin g have turned me off of him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 9:38:46 GMT -5
he's a long way from my favorite wrestler, and not liking someone is totally your own choice, but denying rey mysterio's ability as a wrestler is an admission of not knowing anything about how professional wrestling works. That I understand. I mean, if you look at Mysterio's work in WCW, ECW, and in Mexican promotions, there is no denying. Also, his early matches in the WWE, up until the "SmackDown 6" can be qualified as decent, even though that was the beginning of those injuries. Here? Not so much. For starters, they made him World Heavyweight Champion, which, while a thoughtful move at the time, in hindsight... A) It was on part with the "Eddiesploitation" that was going on. B) It was a belt designated for guys who were around 260+. Seeing that belt hanging off of him... C) Rey lost most of his matches while champion. They kinda did it somewhat right by not having him beat Mark Henry and the Great Khali (you know, part of JBL's initiative to bang up the arch-rival he never got the better of), but against other opponents... come on. Most of the title defenses had a DQ or stoppage also, making him look even weaker. Now, it really doesn't make sense for him beating Kane and Mike Knox. It would if, as another user pointed out, the victories were close to dead-even or slightly in favor of the larger guy, but to have Rey win virtually all those matches (and a great deal by the "fluke break, kicks, 619" setup) doesn't help my case for him one bit. Again, Punk's not a huge guy (so we can't bitch about that), and as a heel stable leader, he has to get his just-desserts. However, it's been dominated by Mysterio in the ring, and yeah people can point out the early beatdowns and "Happy Birthday", but a lot of lopsided feuds had one party doing stuff like that. In the ring, if Mysterio dominates his opponent... well, I'll just say that Punk is actually in danger of losing the heat he recoverd and multiplied after the Undertaker experiment. |
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Post by angryfan on Apr 16, 2010 10:24:47 GMT -5
I'll start witht he fact that, in my few dealings with him (albeit this was eleven years ago) he was a classy guy and a genuinely nice person. I have zero issue with him being gainfully employed and supporting his family.
Having said that, the booking turnaround that Mysterio has gone through in the last few years just blows my mind. In WCW he was the guy that, small as he was, could catch people off guard with the amazing thinsg he did, speaking in kayfabe terms.
The gimmick worked because the casual fans would start out by saying "this is crazy, this dude is gonna get killed" but very quickly would be yelling "holy crap, what the hell was that?"
In WWE, however, he went from the "unlikely Rumble winner" to the worst booked champion in history, where he would just get murdered week after week. Then, suddenly, he was winning again, only it wasn't by outfoxing the opponent like in WCW, it was just straight up, "time for Rey to get a win again" every time he came out
The overwhelming superiority works if there's something that makes it believable, but with Rey, it's just not there. Injuries have slowed him over the years, and that is completely understandable, so I can't really complain that he's not doing the things he once did. However, at some point for a feud to work, the babyface has to, at the very least, wind up on the short end for one match.
This never seems to happen with him anymore, and it smacks of fear on the part of the crative team. The fear is, if Rey loses, the kids that love his masks and costumes will stop caring about him, so therefore he must always get the win and "save the day". It's the same booking theory that killed Cena or many fans.
We know the good guy has to win in the end, but if he's always got the upper hand and never gets defeated even for one night, then there's no point in caring anymore.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 16, 2010 10:48:33 GMT -5
And yet ironically if Rey's entire tenure in WWE had been booked like his laughable World Title 'reign' (the seeming inability to beat anyone remotely bigger than he) the standard smark complaint would be the one that's existed since the beginning of Hulkamania and that's 'why can't the promotion make the little guys look strong for a change?'. . It's funny you envoke The days of 'Hulkamania' because Rey is being booked like he *is* Hogan in the 80's. There has to be a happy meduim here. He can get his ass kicked every week, but you also can't have Rey running over everyone like he's a sherman tank. I mean, he almost never seems to lose clean anymore. Taker at the Rumble is the last real time I can think of |
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Apr 16, 2010 12:14:13 GMT -5
This never seems to happen with him anymore, and it smacks of fear on the part of the crative team. The fear is, if Rey loses, the kids that love his masks and costumes will stop caring about him, so therefore he must always get the win and "save the day". It's the same booking theory that killed Cena or many fans. We know the good guy has to win in the end, but if he's always got the upper hand and never gets defeated even for one night, then there's no point in caring anymore. I couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo, good sir! |
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Post by theshowstoppa on Apr 16, 2010 12:16:08 GMT -5
And yet ironically if Rey's entire tenure in WWE had been booked like his laughable World Title 'reign' (the seeming inability to beat anyone remotely bigger than he) the standard smark complaint would be the one that's existed since the beginning of Hulkamania and that's 'why can't the promotion make the little guys look strong for a change?'. . It's funny you envoke The days of 'Hulkamania' because Rey is being booked like he *is* Hogan in the 80's. There has to be a happy meduim here. He can get his ass kicked every week, but you also can't have Rey running over everyone like he's a sherman tank. I mean, he almost never seems to lose clean anymore. Taker at the Rumble is the last real time I can think of Geez, now that you mention that...I think its true |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 12:45:42 GMT -5
Rey is a legend. I do however, prefer his matches from the 90s and early 00s. I also am not sure why he defeats pretty much everyone he wrestles though.
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Post by Subrick on Apr 17, 2010 0:58:41 GMT -5
Rey in the 90s and 2002-2005 was awesome. He was one of the most underrated guys in any of the rosters he was in.
Now he's no more than a short guy with shit knees who refuses to job to anyone. He killed Ziggler's push, he killed Kane's credibility, and now he's killing Punk.
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