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Post by poi zen rana on Mar 9, 2010 20:13:16 GMT -5
I would like what the reaction would have been if this happened in the WWE, with RVD debuting in the same fashion only with HHH and a sledgehammer in Stings place...... Well if HHH had a history of putting over young talent, was not nearly as dominant as he is, rarely showed up, and was making his comeback after a losing to the new face of the company and passing the torch, I doubt people would hate it as much as you seem to think they would.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 9, 2010 21:29:40 GMT -5
Plus let's be honest - one shot from H's hammer would have put him down and kept him down.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 9, 2010 21:30:12 GMT -5
Jericho is right.
Basically, to me, Sting is the biggest wuss in the world. How many shots with the bat did RVD take? He should be dead.
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Post by jobsquad on Mar 9, 2010 21:37:36 GMT -5
Jericho is right. Basically, to me, Sting is the biggest wuss in the world. How many shots with the bat did RVD take? He should be dead. Exactly. If Sting hit him in the leg or something, it makes sense, but at some point Sting has to lay him out.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 9, 2010 23:38:13 GMT -5
I would like what the reaction would have been if this happened in the WWE, with RVD debuting in the same fashion only with HHH and a sledgehammer in Stings place...... Well if HHH had a history of putting over young talent, was not nearly as dominant as he is, rarely showed up, and was making his comeback after a losing to the new face of the company and passing the torch, I doubt people would hate it as much as you seem to think they would. Also, Triple H is not a near-lifer babyface who the company has to go to extreme lengths to turn heel and actually get heel heat for him.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Mar 9, 2010 23:39:33 GMT -5
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Post by kropotkin on Mar 9, 2010 23:47:23 GMT -5
Jericho is right. Basically, to me, Sting is the biggest wuss in the world. How many shots with the bat did RVD take? He should be dead. Exactly. If Sting hit him in the leg or something, it makes sense, but at some point Sting has to lay him out. What? Are...you criticizing a heel for acting heelish?
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Post by corndog on Mar 10, 2010 0:25:54 GMT -5
I seriously don't see how this was a burial of RVD at all, if anything he looked good by getting back up over and over again, also he did beat Sting with two freaking moves, neither being his usual finisher. I also understand they had to use a guy like RVD to get Sting over as a heel. It's pretty obvious the Hogan attack did not get the job done at all, Sting was still getting cheered during his entrance for the match(despite what the announcers were saying, I didn't hear the boos). But there is one problem, why the did it. Hopefully this did atleast set up an RVD/Sting fued. But with Sting's earlier actions and Hogan coming out to help RVD it seems like the bigger picture is Hogan/Sting. Will it lead to a Hogan/Sting match? Hopefully not, even Sting couldn't carry Hogan in a one on one match. But I think the big picture will be Sting/Flair trying to run Hogan out of TNA. Obviously they had to make Sting attack a truely over face to become completely hated, or Hogan may get booed in TNA. Think about it, the reasoning will probably become that Sting/Flair busted their butts in WCW and carried the organization for years, while Hogan came in and took the spotlight, did everything for himself and eventually due to Hogan's selfishness helped destroy a company they built. Atleast one of these points will be mentioned and the fans would have originally atleast been split or very likely sided with Sting. Now if it was actually done to solely build a RVD/Sting fued, which logic(I know it's TNA) points otherwise, why would Sting even have to turn full blown heel? This easily could be a face/face match, sell ppvs and not get the crowd to really hate the other, but definitely choose sides. And if they felt they needed to turn Sting heel for this, why involve Hogan at all?
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Post by poi zen rana on Mar 10, 2010 0:38:30 GMT -5
If Sting kidnapped Joe, joined the Nation of Violence, and Joe shows up with facepaint, we laugh.
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Post by primetime110 on Mar 10, 2010 1:28:14 GMT -5
I'm mad RVD defeated Sting so quickly. Hell RVD jump Sting from behind. He desreved the beatdown. Really, This hurts noone. RVD was one of many to feel the wrath of the ICON.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 10, 2010 12:42:55 GMT -5
I agree with Jericho because it wasn't necessary to use RVD to turn Sting heel at that point. He had already turned on Hogan and Abyss earlier in the show. Now, RVD's feud will be with Sting, but it will be considered a secondary feud for Sting, whose real feud will be with Hogan. So, RVD was used to cement Sting as a heel, but since Sting will be feuding with Hogan, it just makes RVD's debut and subsequent beatdown virtually unimportant.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Mar 10, 2010 12:47:00 GMT -5
Okay. Can we suspend disbelief for a second on the bat hits?
Okay. Good.
Awesome.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 10, 2010 14:18:00 GMT -5
You have to try pretty damn hard to have someone have a worse debut in TNA than Rellik did. Sure RVD at least won, but really... did he? And honestly is getting over this latest doomed Sting Heel turn really worth sacrificing the popularity of this guy who you JUST BROUGHT IN? A guy who hasn't been wrestling on live television for years?
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Post by comahan on Mar 10, 2010 14:23:37 GMT -5
You have to try pretty damn hard to have someone have a worse debut in TNA than Rellik did. Sure RVD at least won, but really... did he? And honestly is getting over this latest doomed Sting Heel turn really worth sacrificing the popularity of this guy who you JUST BROUGHT IN? A guy who hasn't been wrestling on live television for years? Its RVD. There is no 'sacrificing his popularity'. You could do ANYTHING to him and he'll still be as popular the next week as he was before that.
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 10, 2010 14:38:57 GMT -5
Lance Storm said it better than I ever could
I try really hard to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, but that show Monday was an absolute abortion.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 10, 2010 14:42:34 GMT -5
Lance needs to loosen up, as well as some other people who take it too seriously. {Spoiler}Also, He gets even, so simmer down
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Post by Celgress on Mar 10, 2010 15:32:33 GMT -5
Lance needs to loosen up, as well as some other people who take it too seriously. {Spoiler}Also, He gets even, so simmer down Agreed
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 10, 2010 15:53:23 GMT -5
Lance needs to loosen up, as well as some other people who take it too seriously. {Spoiler}Also, He gets even, so simmer down You can't simmer before you cook. You're applying hindsight logic to something that hasn't happened yet.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 10, 2010 18:35:34 GMT -5
It was definitely a burial. The focus immediately went to Hogan and Sting, with Rob as little more than an afterthought. Jericho knows what he's talking about, and so does Lance Storm.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 10, 2010 20:41:53 GMT -5
You know, it's not like Hogan stuck his nose in it for nothing. The whole beginning of the show had Sting come in for the shock of beating up Abyss and Hogan. You think Hogan is suppose to just lay back and take it when Sting comes back out and attacks someone else? People act like you can't fit 3 people in a feud and make it work.
Plus, Lance Storm has done the same thing before, going on about how someone was buried in a feud one week, since they got beat down and berated. The next week, the team that got attacked fired back and took action. The lesson Lance, as well as others who claim it was a burial, should learn is some patience.
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