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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 9, 2010 14:28:56 GMT -5
Chris Jericho commented on Rob Van Dam's Impact debut last night:
"The beat down of RVD 20 seconds into his debut in TNA was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless."
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I'm gonna be in the minority I know, but I actually agree with this.
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Post by rock on Mar 9, 2010 14:31:13 GMT -5
Even Jericho was watching Impact last night! TNA is on a roll.....
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 9, 2010 14:36:22 GMT -5
Cause buuilding heel heat on a guy by using the popularity of the new guy is clueless?
Plus Sting had a bat. You don't get up from the bat that takes down the whole nWo.
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Post by deeks on Mar 9, 2010 14:41:10 GMT -5
From what I gather reading some boards, even many Jericho fans are disagreeing with him. They loved the setup to heel Sting and RVD was the perfect guy to get him over as a heel. They understood what TNA was doing. Rare for TNA. Jericho seems more like the clueless one here. Maybe hanging around WWE creative finally got to him?
And yeah, I am not sure Vince is happy that Jericho is paying this much attention to TNA. I guess he was bored with RAW too.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 9, 2010 14:42:30 GMT -5
Cause buuilding heel heat on a guy by using the popularity of the new guy is clueless? Plus Sting had a bat. You don't get up from the bat that takes down the whole nWo. You miss the point. The beat down made RVD look more like a jobber, and the pin on sting look like a fluke. |
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 9, 2010 14:45:59 GMT -5
RVD getting beat down isn't that bad considering he got put over by one of the biggest names in wrestling right before he got beat down.  |
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Post by deeks on Mar 9, 2010 14:48:03 GMT -5
You miss the point. The beat down made RVD look more like a jobber, and the pin on sting look like a fluke. The point was they needed someone insanely popular to get over Sting as a heel. They used RVD perfectly since the crowd LOVED him. They HATED that Sting was hurting him. Finally some emotion in wrestling. That turned Sting heel. Not beating Hogan. Everyone knows RVD will be a major part of TNA. He was used perfectly. And now he is part of the company's hottest angle. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 9, 2010 14:48:19 GMT -5
RVD getting beat down isn't that bad considering he got put over by one of the biggest names in wrestling right before he got beat down. But it's not like Shelton Benjamin who actually wrestled a match.. He ran in through the crowd, caught Sting off guard, and rolled him up. It makes it look like a fluke, and that Van Dam could never do it to him in a fair fight. And the beat down just continued to prove that. |
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Post by erisi236 on Mar 9, 2010 14:48:48 GMT -5
The fans hero getting beaten down by an evil heel isn't that mind boggling.
Now, if they don't follow up on it by having a few RVD Sting grudge matches in the future, then I can see it as mind boggling.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 9, 2010 14:48:49 GMT -5
Cause buuilding heel heat on a guy by using the popularity of the new guy is clueless? Plus Sting had a bat. You don't get up from the bat that takes down the whole nWo. You miss the point. The beat down made RVD look more like a jobber, and the pin on sting look like a fluke. Well, if Sting sold the pin like it was a hour broadway, it'd make look Sting weak. Here, we got RVD making a big shock win and we have Sting getting it back with the attack with his bat. If RVD was a jobber, he'd have gotten beat up during the match and pinned. |
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 9, 2010 14:50:37 GMT -5
RVD getting beat down isn't that bad considering he got put over by one of the biggest names in wrestling right before he got beat down. But it's not like Shelton Benjamin who actually wrestled a match.. He ran in through the crowd, caught Sting off guard, and rolled him up. It makes it look like a fluke, and that Van Dam could never do it to him in a fair fight. And the beat down just continued to prove that. Well they couldn't just legit have RVD beat Sting just like that. They need to save it for Lockdown. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 9, 2010 14:53:51 GMT -5
But it's not like Shelton Benjamin who actually wrestled a match.. He ran in through the crowd, caught Sting off guard, and rolled him up. It makes it look like a fluke, and that Van Dam could never do it to him in a fair fight. And the beat down just continued to prove that. Well they couldn't just legit have RVD beat Sting just like that. They need to save it for Lockdown. And how will he be involved in Hogan Vs Sting exactly? |
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Post by Error on Mar 9, 2010 14:55:29 GMT -5
If they had focused on RVD after the beatdown or did anything to make RVD pinning Sting and then Sting beating RVD down to be important I would disagree with Jericho but, I think he's right.
Once RVD was down, it was Hogan/Sting with no mention of RVD for the rest of the night. They wasted RVD's debut by making him seem like an also ran, IMO.
They might be able to pull something out of their ass tonight and salvage it but, it was just poorly done to me.
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Post by poi zen rana on Mar 9, 2010 14:55:58 GMT -5
Wait wait wait.
Someone on Vince McMahon's pay roll just so happened to criticize Vince's biggest wrestling competition?
Tell me another one.
Here I was expecting a ringing endorsement of everything the competition does
in all seriousness though, I disagree. If RVD doesn't get his revenge and we don't get a good Sting and RVD match then yeah it was a waste. But there is no guatenteed yet that they won't. People point out that Sting is setting up a feud with Hogan and I agree. I don't think though this means that Sting/RVD won't happen. Just like they are setting up Pope/AJ yet are still currently working with Abyss/AJ. I think RVD/Sting will be the AJ/Abyss to Hogan/Sting if that makes sense.
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Post by Viva on Mar 9, 2010 14:56:10 GMT -5
I loved it and think that RVD and Sting can put together some 5 star classics in the future. I marked at heel sting. It makes sense to me, but then, I've been watching the product even through the last couple of weeks.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 9, 2010 14:58:00 GMT -5
RVD debuts in TNA, gets a quick pin, then is beaten senselessly.
I don't care if you're trying to put Sting over as a heel, you don't make the big debut look like a chump.
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Post by kropotkin on Mar 9, 2010 14:59:33 GMT -5
Well they couldn't just legit have RVD beat Sting just like that. They need to save it for Lockdown. And how will he be involved in Hogan Vs Sting exactly? ...by having a match/matches with Sting? I'm not sure if you've ever watched wrestling but that's generally how these things go. Plus, Lockdown is like a month away, so logic suggests that both men will be involved in the Lethal Lockdown, in some capacity, I would think. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 9, 2010 15:00:43 GMT -5
RVD debuts in TNA, gets a quick pin, then is beaten senselessly. I don't care if you're trying to put Sting over as a heel, you don't make the big debut look like a chump. You also don't make one of your bigger stars in the company look like a chump, and that's what would have happened if Sting didn't go nutso on RVD. |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 9, 2010 15:01:17 GMT -5
I didn't see it as a burial at all. A guy who's generally regarded as a legend attacked him with a friggin' baseball bat.
Despite that, he refused to stay down. It's not even like one shot did him in. He had to get hit repeatedly.
I don't think we're going to see Hogan vs Sting, at least not in the immediate future. I believe we're getting RVD-Sting well before that. I'm betting Hogan continues to play authority/mentor for Abyss for a bit.
I'm betting the next time we see them on TV, RVD gets the better of Sting. It's the way feuds are built, people.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 9, 2010 15:02:44 GMT -5
RVD debuts in TNA, gets a quick pin, then is beaten senselessly. I don't care if you're trying to put Sting over as a heel, you don't make the big debut look like a chump. You also don't make one of your bigger stars in the company look like a chump, and that's what would have happened if Sting didn't go nutso on RVD. But that does absolutely nothing for RVD. It makes Sting look like a nutcase, but It makes Van Dam look like a chump who got a lucky fluke. |
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