Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 16, 2010 12:05:59 GMT -5
On the Rise & Fall of TNA DVD, the time period from January 4th onward will be known as "The Fall." Hogan & Bischoff have done nothing to make me believe that they can make this endeavor work. They deliberately go against the fans and piss them off gleefully. They want to force us to like the raw sewage spewing from the creative portion of their brains. If TNA fails, just watch them try to blame us. In actuality, it'll be their fault.
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Apr 16, 2010 12:37:28 GMT -5
Why would Eric Bischoff blast so-called "vanilla midgets"? We're talking about the man who gave technical and cruiserweight wrestling its biggest push in modern history during the 90's. Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, etc. -- all given their breakout roles by Eric Bischoff. Even now he's made the X-Division the hottest it's been in years while turning Douglas Williams into a breakout star.
I know it's fun to bash on Evil~!!! Eric, but let's please try to use some common sense here folks.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 16, 2010 12:39:56 GMT -5
Why would Eric Bischoff blast so-called "vanilla midgets"? We're talking about the man who gave technical and cruiserweight wrestling its biggest push in modern history during the 90's. Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, etc. -- all given their breakout roles by Eric Bischoff. Even now he's made the X-Division the hottest it's been in years while turning Douglas Williams into a breakout star. I know it's fun to bash on Evil~!!! Eric, but let's please try to use some common sense here folks. Common sense would dictate that when it came down to it, Eric never gave those guys the chance to elevate themselves past midcard status. I'd argue that yeah, Bischoff gave them their breakout, but he never gave them the opportunity to move further than the midcard. And the X-Division is the hottest its been in years? It almost seems like they're gearing up to have Douglas Williams throw the damn belt in the trash. I hate to be that guy, but I feel as if this is one time Eric's getting criticism he deserves. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 12:43:34 GMT -5
Why would Eric Bischoff blast so-called "vanilla midgets"? We're talking about the man who gave technical and cruiserweight wrestling its biggest push in modern history during the 90's. Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, etc. -- all given their breakout roles by Eric Bischoff. Even now he's made the X-Division the hottest it's been in years while turning Douglas Williams into a breakout star. I know it's fun to bash on Evil~!!! Eric, but let's please try to use some common sense here folks. Oh yeah, he definitely gave them all great roles - a people for the nWo to run over. Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit and Malenko didn't find real support until they showed up in WWE. Lets all try to use some common sense. Let's bring in the guy who let WCW fall and produced three crappy reality shows to halve our company's ratings, bring in has-beens and fire people with talent. He also claimed that Jericho would never draw, meanwhile the "Eric Bischoff" show is drawing nothing compared Jericho. I often wonder if you've even watched TNA before 2010? X-Division the hottest its been in years? Ha! It was hotter when Sonjay Dutt and Jay Lethal were fueding over SoCal Val and Alex Shelly had the title. They were getting twice as many viewers then. |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Apr 16, 2010 12:56:23 GMT -5
Ok, here's my problem with Bischoff.
He insults the fans.
He insults the wrestlers that the fans like.
And he still expects us to keep watching his show every week...
This makes absolutely no sense. From what I've seen from his interviews and his facebook posts, there's virtually no difference between his real life character and his on screen character. Eric Bischoff is a dick. Plain and simple.
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Apr 16, 2010 13:00:16 GMT -5
Why would Eric Bischoff blast so-called "vanilla midgets"? We're talking about the man who gave technical and cruiserweight wrestling its biggest push in modern history during the 90's. Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, etc. -- all given their breakout roles by Eric Bischoff. Even now he's made the X-Division the hottest it's been in years while turning Douglas Williams into a breakout star. I know it's fun to bash on Evil~!!! Eric, but let's please try to use some common sense here folks. Oh yeah, he definitely gave them all great roles - a people for the nWo to run over. Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit and Malenko didn't find real support until they showed up in WWE. Lets all try to use some common sense. Let's bring in the guy who let WCW fall and produced three crappy reality shows to halve our company's ratings, bring in has-beens and fire people with talent. He also claimed that Jericho would never draw, meanwhile the "Eric Bischoff" show is drawing nothing compared Jericho. No real support? Rey Mysterio- 5x Cruiserweight Champion
- 3x Tag Team Champion
Chris Benoit- 1x World Champion
- 2x United States Champion
- 2x Tag Team Champion
- 3x Television Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Dean Malenko- 1x United States Champion
- 1x Tag Team Champion
- 4x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Eddie Guerrero- 1x United States Champion
- 2x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary L.W.O.
As for Chris Jericho, I'll have to agree with Bischoff that he's not a real draw. A decent overall performer, sure, but when he's Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers? He's a temporary placeholder, not a guy you build your main event around. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:04:12 GMT -5
Bischoff's arguments might be better if TNA had ever drawn a dime from casual fans, or been relevant to an audience that wasn't already wrestling fans. It ain't.
Wrestling also has to be the only thing left where being "an Internet fan" is somehow a bad thing. Nobody makes fun of fans of TV shows, movies or music online, why wrestling? Are we really that obsessed with the 90s status quo?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 13:04:35 GMT -5
I guess, if it helps any, there's a fair chance Doug Williams could drop the title at the next PPV. Though that'd be to Shannon Moore, and the Book of Suckinass.
Anyway, yeah. It's pretty astounding how TNA goes out of their way to oppose what is basically their only set market. And even that's far from universal - do wish people, including those on the Internet itself, would understand that so called smarks are not some kind of scary hive mind. It's just people with their own opinions that happen to be a bit better read on the inner workings - that's it.
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:17:56 GMT -5
I guess, if it helps any, there's a fair chance Doug Williams could drop the title at the next PPV. Though that'd be to Shannon Moore, and the Book of Suckinass. Anyway, yeah. It's pretty astounding how TNA goes out of their way to oppose what is basically their only set market. And even that's far from universal - do wish people, including those on the Internet itself, would understand that so called smarks are not some kind of scary hive mind. It's just people with their own opinions that happen to be a bit better read on the inner workings - that's it. Yeah, smarks have to be the most contrarian people I've ever known. There are a million differences of opinion between sites, forums, etc. If anything, the diversity of thought should have been sited by Bischoff as to why its hard to please "the IWC", not the crappy "the IWC sucks and is out of touch" excuse. TNA insulting the IWC is kinda like a country singer making a song titled "Ah hates them Rednecks". Why alienate the one market you consistently get? |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Apr 16, 2010 13:28:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he definitely gave them all great roles - a people for the nWo to run over. Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit and Malenko didn't find real support until they showed up in WWE. Lets all try to use some common sense. Let's bring in the guy who let WCW fall and produced three crappy reality shows to halve our company's ratings, bring in has-beens and fire people with talent. He also claimed that Jericho would never draw, meanwhile the "Eric Bischoff" show is drawing nothing compared Jericho. No real support? Rey Mysterio- 5x Cruiserweight Champion
- 3x Tag Team Champion
Chris Benoit- 1x World Champion
- 2x United States Champion
- 2x Tag Team Champion
- 3x Television Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Dean Malenko- 1x United States Champion
- 1x Tag Team Champion
- 4x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Eddie Guerrero- 1x United States Champion
- 2x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary L.W.O.
As for Chris Jericho, I'll have to agree with Bischoff that he's not a real draw. A decent overall performer, sure, but when he's Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers? He's a temporary placeholder, not a guy you build your main event around. Jericho defending the title at Wrestlemania, 70,000 paying fans, an AJ Styles title defense at the TNA PPV the same month, 0 paying fans. And I'm sure the buy rate for WM will be a tad bit better. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:30:48 GMT -5
But AJ Styles isn't AJ Styles anymore, he's THE NATURE STYLES!!! See, he can DRAW now!!!! WOOOOO!!!!
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 16, 2010 13:32:34 GMT -5
No real support? Rey Mysterio- 5x Cruiserweight Champion
- 3x Tag Team Champion
Chris Benoit- 1x World Champion
- 2x United States Champion
- 2x Tag Team Champion
- 3x Television Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Dean Malenko- 1x United States Champion
- 1x Tag Team Champion
- 4x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary 4 Horseman
Eddie Guerrero- 1x United States Champion
- 2x Cruiserweight Champion
- A spot in the legendary L.W.O.
As for Chris Jericho, I'll have to agree with Bischoff that he's not a real draw. A decent overall performer, sure, but when he's Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers? He's a temporary placeholder, not a guy you build your main event around. Jericho defending the title at Wrestlemania, 70,000 paying fans, an AJ Styles title defense at the TNA PPV the same month, 0 paying fans. And I'm sure the buy rate for WM will be a tad bit better. This. Also - you're citing title runs, but again - all those mean nothing when they're practically given no choice but to leave. I'd love someone to list the number of World title runs guys like Hogan, Savage and Luger got during the "boom." Bischoff gave them just enough that when we looked back on it, it'd seem as if they were pushed - but it's pretty obvious that Nitro was about Hogan and Co. Ironically enough - so is Impact. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:36:56 GMT -5
A spot in the 4 horsemen also means jack if its not the originals, the 4 horsemen were basically midcarders during the duration of WCW's run except for Flair.
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Post by Perigryn on Apr 16, 2010 13:38:33 GMT -5
Cornette fires back at Bischoff:
Insert "Burn" gif...
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Apr 16, 2010 13:39:25 GMT -5
Jericho defending the title at Wrestlemania, 70,000 paying fans, an AJ Styles title defense at the TNA PPV the same month, 0 paying fans. And I'm sure the buy rate for WM will be a tad bit better. " when has Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers?" Like I said, Jericho's an o.k. placeholder, but he's not someone who's putting asses in the seats as your top guy. 70,000 fans showed up to see HBK vs. 'Taker, Hart vs. McMahon and Cena vs. Batista, not some forgettable, fourth-tier world title match between a couple of glorified midcarders. The WWE could push any talentless bum off the streets as champion and as long as Cena, HHH, HBK and/or 'Taker are on the show the ratings/buyrates will remain the same. That was proven with the Sheamus as WWE champion embarrassment. |
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Post by Big Hurt on Apr 16, 2010 13:39:39 GMT -5
The guys bashes the internet on facebook? What is he 12?
I think he is a smart guy and a good personality, but he seems like a huge mark for himself.
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:42:02 GMT -5
Jericho defending the title at Wrestlemania, 70,000 paying fans, an AJ Styles title defense at the TNA PPV the same month, 0 paying fans. And I'm sure the buy rate for WM will be a tad bit better. " when has Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers?" Like I said, Jericho's an o.k. placeholder, but he's not someone who's putting asses in the seats as your top guy. 70,000 fans showed up to see HBK vs. 'Taker, Hart vs. McMahon and Cena vs. Batista, not some forgettable, fourth-tier world title match between a couple of glorified midcarders. The WWE could push any talentless bum off the streets as champion and as long as Cena, HHH, HBK and/or 'Taker are on the show the ratings/buyrates will remain the same. That was proven with the Sheamus as WWE champion embarrassment. As opposed to the immensely successful AJ/Abyss feud that everyone's talking about... |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Apr 16, 2010 13:52:48 GMT -5
A spot in the 4 horsemen also means jack if its not the originals, the 4 horsemen were basically midcarders during the duration of WCW's run except for Flair. Not according to Nancy Grace, sometimes being demoted from the 4 Horsemen can drive a man to kill. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 16, 2010 13:56:38 GMT -5
A spot in the 4 horsemen also means jack if its not the originals, the 4 horsemen were basically midcarders during the duration of WCW's run except for Flair. Not according to Nancy Grace, sometimes being demoted from the 4 Horsemen can drive a man to kill. Nancy and Bisch should get married. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 16, 2010 13:58:30 GMT -5
As opposed to the immensely successful AJ/Abyss feud that everyone's talking about... Hot crackers, that was a delight! Bully for that. Anyhoo, Bischoff doesn't exactly lose any more respect from me, because it's impossible to lose something that isn't there to begin with. |
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