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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 16, 2010 6:08:10 GMT -5
"Zach Harris: thanks for pointing out how minimal the IWC really is....if it were up to them, every match would be vanilla midgets doing moonsaults and putting each other in submission holds for 45+ minutes, with zero characters or storylines. Don't ever let those morons get any influence over TNA or any other promotion"
I don't know about everyone, but I don't think all of the "IWC" doesn't want to see a bunch of vanilla midgets every month - we want to be entertained. And guess what? TNA isn't entertaining to the majority of people. If it was, your ratings wouldn't have plummeted up against WWE.
Straight up - WWE has better storytelling technique and better knows how to utilize a talent roster. Imagine how good TNA would be, even if they just used the paint by numbers WWE formula?
And moreover, aren't the majority of TNA followers members of the "IWC?" Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. They're no more moronic than the filth that fills the Impact Zone on a weekly basis....
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Post by comahan on Apr 16, 2010 6:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by barley96 on Apr 16, 2010 6:15:41 GMT -5
The IWC (myself included) must be morons. A lot of us support TNA after all of the s*** they have produced.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 16, 2010 6:15:46 GMT -5
Oh for...
Now Eric Bischoff is buying into this BS?!
I'm not going to say it again after this, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE IWC! It is a contrived piece of BS someone made up and everyone believed in.
There are merely people who use the internet to look up wrestling. There isn't a big bad illuminati group who decides which wrestlers they like nor do you not look like an idiot if you're basically rebelling against something that doesn't exist. Does it really surprise people that, *shock horror* there are people who like DIFFERENT forms of wrestling that aren't the mainstream ones?
Sorry for the rant but all this IWC, Smark, Mark BS is the one thing that I despise about being a wrestling fan.
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Post by slickster on Apr 16, 2010 7:02:43 GMT -5
Bischoff is using "The IWC" as a straw-man argument. He's painting every Internet wrestling fan with a broad brush because it's easier to make fun of the stereotype than it is to respond to any valid arguments they may have.
It furthers Bischoff's 'us-versus-them' mentality that he's worked under since he was in WCW. Like a cult leader, Bischoff professes that his way is right and that people just need to follow him and believe. If you disagree, then you're part of 'the enemy' and seek only to destroy TNA.
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Post by Mesousa on Apr 16, 2010 7:04:31 GMT -5
Leave the International Watch Company alone!
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 16, 2010 7:05:17 GMT -5
I do love how someone, on the Internet and a wrestling fan, wrote that email to Eric Bischoff to get that response.
Ever noticed how many people in the IWC try to pretend they're not in the IWC? It's a beautiful thing.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 16, 2010 7:17:07 GMT -5
I do love how someone, on the Internet and a wrestling fan, wrote that email to Eric Bischoff to get that response. Ever noticed how many people in the IWC try to pretend they're not in the IWC? It's a beautiful thing. It goes to what's said above. Someone somewhere painted all of us with a wide brush, being as negative as possible. Thus, you have people who come online to be "anti-IWC" that have no ability to understand the irony of what they're doing. Their rational is "I don't want to be part of that, so I'll rail against it". Bischoff and others need to realize, especially when it comes to TNA, they NEED us. Yes, we wrestling junkies need them in the sense that it's more for our fix, but they don't buy angryfan t-shirts and put money in my pocket, it goes the other way around. If they don't want my money, fine. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 16, 2010 7:22:39 GMT -5
Yes, it's the stereotype of the IWC that people tend to fear so much. Just like any social group, you have different levels of preference and fandom and you'll always get your extremists. I'm not a fan of that group myself but they spend their money and take their choice. They're not morons, just people I don't agree with. Doesn't change the fact that both they and I are parts of the IWC. Bischoff's stance here has always been consistant with this at least. But I think coping and working with your Internet audience is one of the key things for wrestling and indeed any company to handle correctly these days. Leave the International Watch Company alone! ;D |
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Post by slickster on Apr 16, 2010 7:24:19 GMT -5
Bischoff refuses to acknowledge Internet wrestling fans as a significant part of the TNA fanbase, which is a big mistake. While WWE and WCW could draw casual fans and non-fans just to 'see the wrestling show come to town,' TNA has never really had a casual fanbase. Part of that has been by design, since TNA has sold itself as an 'alternative' and has marketed its product as being unlike the mainstream (WWE) product.
I'm just not sure Bischoff has really considered the differences between WCW and TNA's fanbases.
Bottom line, when you spend years calling yourselves an alternative to the mainstream and explicitly cater to the Internet fanbase, turning against them and calling them mongoloids is not a smart business strategy.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Apr 16, 2010 7:26:24 GMT -5
Ever noticed how many people in the IWC try to pretend they're not in the IWC? It's a beautiful thing. Almost as beautiful as the ones who get all pissy if you rank something from the indies over something from the mainstream US. I'm looking at you WOTW Comment section. |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 16, 2010 7:27:01 GMT -5
Well I know one guy here who'll agree with Eric.
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Post by AndyUK on Apr 16, 2010 7:29:07 GMT -5
While everyone shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush, I really can't blame him for thinking that. There are a plenty of wrestling fans on the Internet that come across as absolute morons and aren't satisfied with anything. On the flip side, I suppose that is the case with everything in life. Every sports team has moronic fans, same with any band etc.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 16, 2010 7:32:33 GMT -5
People in groups are stupid for the most part. Individuals aren't for the most part. Plus the guys who are loudest are the ones that most people don't wish to be associated with.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 16, 2010 7:48:04 GMT -5
Truth be told though - I bet Bischoff is really enjoying this at some level.
Being able to run a wrestling company (or at least very close to that) and have a position from which he can fire back at his Net critics again...must feel like old times.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Apr 16, 2010 7:55:24 GMT -5
IWC are the only ones that support that sinking ship. Generalizing against a group of people who don't exist makes you a moron and most of "IWC" don't agree on things so they really aren't a group. Seriously the management of that company are out of touch with mainstream pop culture and all they have is the rabid fans on the net and they've been pissing on them lately. Thats the problem really with both companies and why TNA really isn't an alternative. I wish ROH or even PWG could become an alternative I could actually watch but that wont happen, instead we get two sports entertainment companies stuck in the nineties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 8:03:29 GMT -5
The bigger moron is the guy who is in charge of possibly the most talented roster of all the wrestling leagues today and doesn't know how to run a entertaining show with them still.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 16, 2010 8:32:53 GMT -5
"Zach Harris: thanks for pointing out how minimal the IWC really is....if it were up to them, every match would be vanilla midgets doing moonsaults and putting each other in submission holds for 45+ minutes, with zero characters or storylines. Don't ever let those morons get any influence over TNA or any other promotion" I don't know about everyone, but I don't think all of the "IWC" doesn't want to see a bunch of vanilla midgets every month - we want to be entertained. And guess what? TNA isn't entertaining to the majority of people. If it was, your ratings wouldn't have plummeted up against WWE. Straight up - WWE has better storytelling technique and better knows how to utilize a talent roster. Imagine how good TNA would be, even if they just used the paint by numbers WWE formula? And moreover, aren't the majority of TNA followers members of the "IWC?" Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. They're no more moronic than the filth that fills the Impact Zone on a weekly basis.... am I the only one that does not see anything Eric Bischoff said? |
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Post by Kae on Apr 16, 2010 8:41:17 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff has convinced me of the error of my ways. Rather than being a fan of vanilla midgets such as C.M.Punk and Shawn Michaels, I should really be supporting orange grandpas who can barely walk to the ring any more. It was so stupid of me to support young talent who can put on exciting and entertaining matches, when I should have been watching WWE and WCW retirees who can maybe do a leg drop on a good day.
Seriously. I would watch almost any ROH match over another Hulk Hogan promo. It's as if I like wrestling, not old guys talking. I do not see why this is "minimal" (wrong word choice) of me.
Given the geriatric product he's putting on, which is just a rip off of ideas that worked better in the past, he's the last person who should be talking about us having "minimal" ideas.
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Post by Kae on Apr 16, 2010 8:48:22 GMT -5
"Zach Harris: thanks for pointing out how minimal the IWC really is....if it were up to them, every match would be vanilla midgets doing moonsaults and putting each other in submission holds for 45+ minutes, with zero characters or storylines. Don't ever let those morons get any influence over TNA or any other promotion" I don't know about everyone, but I don't think all of the "IWC" doesn't want to see a bunch of vanilla midgets every month - we want to be entertained. And guess what? TNA isn't entertaining to the majority of people. If it was, your ratings wouldn't have plummeted up against WWE. Straight up - WWE has better storytelling technique and better knows how to utilize a talent roster. Imagine how good TNA would be, even if they just used the paint by numbers WWE formula? And moreover, aren't the majority of TNA followers members of the "IWC?" Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. They're no more moronic than the filth that fills the Impact Zone on a weekly basis.... am I the only one that does not see anything Eric Bischoff said? I also wondered that, and went to look on Facebook. It looks like he did:  |
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