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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 16, 2010 20:04:21 GMT -5
I love how Bischoff try to deflect criticisms about him to the Torch. PWInsider and Prowrestling.net also reported on the story, too. How about calling Jason Powell and Mike Johnson liars and biased also?
This classic WCW tactics of blaming everybody else for current problems before turning against each other. For all the talk of how Hogan and Bischoff were going to change TNA and take it to the next level, so far they are reenacting "the Death of WCW". Stop playing the blame game. Stop playing the victim. Stop making excuses. Show either you can still revolutionize the wrestling business or start filling out you resume. Prove your critics wrong, Bischoff.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 16, 2010 20:14:54 GMT -5
Jericho defending the title at Wrestlemania, 70,000 paying fans, an AJ Styles title defense at the TNA PPV the same month, 0 paying fans. And I'm sure the buy rate for WM will be a tad bit better. " when has Chris Jericho ever given us ratings or buyrates outside the normal ho-hum WWE numbers?" Like I said, Jericho's an o.k. placeholder, but he's not someone who's putting asses in the seats as your top guy. 70,000 fans showed up to see HBK vs. 'Taker, Hart vs. McMahon and Cena vs. Batista, not some forgettable, fourth-tier world title match between a couple of glorified midcarders. The WWE could push any talentless bum off the streets as champion and as long as Cena, HHH, HBK and/or 'Taker are on the show the ratings/buyrates will remain the same. That was proven with the Sheamus as WWE champion embarrassment. True the WWE could push any telentless bum off the streets into a champion that can draw numbers because they have a strong enough card with Cena, HHH, HBK, Taker that they can support the show. Now if you can jump to the next logical conclusion, WWE can do that BECAUSE they built up their guys as draws. They build and build from within and from all manner of guys. They are not just hosses anymore sure they have enough of those to keep the hoss lovers happy but they have the Jerichos, Punks, Mysterios to keep the hoss haters from tuning out. TNA on the other hand can not push a five star wrestler into the main event. The guy can have a built in fan base and all the tools anyone needs to be a star and all they can do is drop the ball and blame the IWC, or the Impact Zone, or being on thursday nights, or the performer himself, or the dirt sheet writers or ex-employees or the season premiere of CSI Biloxi or the big la crosse tournament between the University of Tuscan and Tuscan Tech... I think Bischoff took his WCW excuses dartboard out of mothballs as soon as he got this gig and boy has it been useful.(Which is more than I can say about bringing Brian Knobbs out of the mothballs. HEYO!) |
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Post by GaTechGrad on Apr 16, 2010 20:40:18 GMT -5
Smaller talented good workers bring alot to the show for sure as they did in WCW in the late 90s.. But lets be honest here..... Was the likes of Benoit or Guerrero or Evan Bourne or an Owen Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, CM punk or the 50 thousand cruiserweight spotmonkeys going to outdraw or captivate a country like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Warrior, Bruno or a Goldberg did? Of course not.. They just can't be your go to guys by and long unless they have that x factor.. But truth be told.. the guys who have drawn the biggest crowds, the money, the viewership etc have been bigger guys.. I've heard a lot of people say that AJ is too small to draw or be a champion. I usually respond with the "Ric Flair" defense, who drew huge crowds but was not a huge wrestler either. However, Flair may be the exception to the rule. To play the devil's advocate, Flair did have a lot more charisma than the guys mentioned previously. |
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Post by foreveryoung on Apr 16, 2010 21:23:18 GMT -5
Smaller talented good workers bring alot to the show for sure as they did in WCW in the late 90s.. But lets be honest here..... Was the likes of Benoit or Guerrero or Evan Bourne or an Owen Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, CM punk or the 50 thousand cruiserweight spotmonkeys going to outdraw or captivate a country like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Warrior, Bruno or a Goldberg did? Of course not.. They just can't be your go to guys by and long unless they have that x factor.. But truth be told.. the guys who have drawn the biggest crowds, the money, the viewership etc have been bigger guys.. I've heard a lot of people say that AJ is too small to draw or be a champion. I usually respond with the "Ric Flair" defense, who drew huge crowds but was not a huge wrestler either. However, Flair may be the exception to the rule. To play the devil's advocate, Flair did have a lot more charisma than the guys mentioned previously. For sure there are a few exceptions.. But thats the thing.. They are exceptions to the rule.. Not really the norm. Youre not going to see too many Flairs in a lifetime. But for the majority.. the big guys are the draws.. The smaller guys more times than not are going to be very good to build the card and be great hands, and possibly have some titles runs like Shawn or Bret, AJ etc. But they just won't see the success and appeal to the masses like the superhero big guys. As I have gotten older I definitely appreciate smaller guys and their contribution to the business.. But when you're a kid (which is primarily what the business has been geared towards again) the larger than life characters and superhero big muscular bodies grabs you more it seems.. It bring more of the element of star power. Thats why all the big guys have the most star power. Its starts with the look.. OF course you do have to have other aspects.. But look larger than a life is a good start. But I guess it could be argued the state of the business. Its not drawing as well as it used to.. But the guy who has caught on the most with mainstream is Cena.. And while he may not be on a Hogan level, he is still the biggest star today.. Again.. a bigger guy with the look. I dont think you could put any smaller guy in that role currently, and have that guy see the same result as catching on to the masses like Cena has |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Apr 16, 2010 23:17:20 GMT -5
We are the IWC. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. EXPECT US, Eric. I should have known you would show up ;D How can you tell? |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Apr 17, 2010 1:20:50 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of people say that AJ is too small to draw or be a champion. I usually respond with the "Ric Flair" defense, who drew huge crowds but was not a huge wrestler either. However, Flair may be the exception to the rule. To play the devil's advocate, Flair did have a lot more charisma than the guys mentioned previously. For sure there are a few exceptions.. But thats the thing.. They are exceptions to the rule.. Not really the norm. Youre not going to see too many Flairs in a lifetime. But for the majority.. the big guys are the draws.. The smaller guys more times than not are going to be very good to build the card and be great hands, and possibly have some titles runs like Shawn or Bret, AJ etc. But they just won't see the success and appeal to the masses like the superhero big guys. As I have gotten older I definitely appreciate smaller guys and their contribution to the business.. But when you're a kid (which is primarily what the business has been geared towards again) the larger than life characters and superhero big muscular bodies grabs you more it seems.. It bring more of the element of star power. Thats why all the big guys have the most star power. Its starts with the look.. OF course you do have to have other aspects.. But look larger than a life is a good start. But I guess it could be argued the state of the business. Its not drawing as well as it used to.. But the guy who has caught on the most with mainstream is Cena.. And while he may not be on a Hogan level, he is still the biggest star today.. Again.. a bigger guy with the look. I dont think you could put any smaller guy in that role currently, and have that guy see the same result as catching on to the masses like Cena has John Cena is 6"1' and 240LBS (Billed) Ric Flair is 6"1' and 243LBS (billed) They're basically the same size. Cena is not a "Big Man" by wrestling standards, he's probably around the same size as a Charlie Haas or a Dolph Ziggler, it's the push a wrestler gets, not his size, hell Rey Mysterio is one of the most popular wrestlers with children and he's not larger than life, it's his colorful costumes and flashy moves that make him a star. |
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Apr 17, 2010 3:06:37 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff is dead right about one thing though.
Dunno what it is, but the law of averages says he has to be. I think.
<goes off and looks it up in the book of dilligaf>
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Post by Kris Kobain on Apr 17, 2010 3:50:57 GMT -5
I like how he said we want vanilla midget wrestlers and submission holds that last for 45+ minutes when it seems the majority of people I talk to on sites think Hornswoggle is pointless and people like Regal are boring. In reality people want exactly oposite of what Eric thinks they want.
People don't hate storylines. We hate storylines that make no sense.Eh whatever though. It's a common belief in the industry that the internet fans only make up 1% of the crowd. I disagree with that espescialy if we only make up 1% of the crowd then why would the IWC get brought up so much?
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Apr 17, 2010 4:43:34 GMT -5
As opposed to the immensely successful AJ/Abyss feud that everyone's talking about... More proof that speeding up the footage and adding a sepia filter and piano music makes everything a billion times better. |
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Post by Trent Valentine on Apr 17, 2010 7:18:53 GMT -5
I've been reading the last few pages on this..and a lot of it I agree on.
I just find it funny how Bischoff calls us "morons" just because we're not buying into this crap he's trying to force us to like. This is exactly how WCW's fanbase went down the toilet, him believing we don't know what we want and pushing washed up old has beens like Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge mark for Bischoff, have been since his heel days in the nWo. But the problem I have with him is he has his head too far up Hogan's orange tanned ass to see what the fans really want. I would rather glam myself up and go on a date with Shannon Moore than see Hogan or Bubba the Love Sponge on TV. I guess that makes me a moron..right?
Coming soon...The Rise and Fall of TNA.
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Post by Tom S on Apr 17, 2010 9:12:17 GMT -5
Someone direct Cornette to his facebook page
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2010 9:35:52 GMT -5
I hate the notion that if you post on a message board, you're automatically enlisted in some fruity group called the "IWC".
I also ate at Mcdonalds yesterday, I guess I'm now in the Ronald Mcdonald Alliance.
I breathe air, that makes me part of the Oxygen Inhaling Nation.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Apr 17, 2010 10:43:40 GMT -5
I hate the notion that if you post on a message board, you're automatically enlisted in some fruity group called the "IWC". I also ate at Mcdonalds yesterday, I guess I'm now in the Ronald Mcdonald Alliance. I breathe air, that makes me part of the Oxygen Inhaling Nation. Dude the OIN is full of nerds  |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 17, 2010 10:51:02 GMT -5
Oh for... Now Eric Bischoff is buying into this BS?! I'm not going to say it again after this, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE IWC! It is a contrived piece of BS someone made up and everyone believed in. There are merely people who use the internet to look up wrestling. There isn't a big bad illuminati group who decides which wrestlers they like nor do you not look like an idiot if you're basically rebelling against something that doesn't exist. Does it really surprise people that, *shock horror* there are people who like DIFFERENT forms of wrestling that aren't the mainstream ones? Sorry for the rant but all this IWC, Smark, Mark BS is the one thing that I despise about being a wrestling fan. Sez you! I joined the IWC and they gave me a secret decoder ring. It works only half the time, though.  |
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Post by metylerca on Apr 17, 2010 10:54:57 GMT -5
I hate the notion that if you post on a message board, you're automatically enlisted in some fruity group called the "IWC". I also ate at Mcdonalds yesterday, I guess I'm now in the Ronald Mcdonald Alliance. I breathe air, that makes me part of the Oxygen Inhaling Nation. Don't be ashamed to be a part of the RMA. It's better than those crazy Burger King defenders who find no fault in their menu. They even go as far as to post all the new menu items straight from their website, as though they are paid to do so, proper coding and images and all.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2010 11:15:58 GMT -5
I hate the notion that if you post on a message board, you're automatically enlisted in some fruity group called the "IWC". I also ate at Mcdonalds yesterday, I guess I'm now in the Ronald Mcdonald Alliance. I breathe air, that makes me part of the Oxygen Inhaling Nation. Don't be ashamed to be a part of the RMA. It's better than those crazy Burger King defenders who find no fault in their menu. They even go as far as to post all the new menu items straight from their website, as though they are paid to do so, proper coding and images and all. And don't get me started on the WOH, or Wendy Omnivore Heritage. Those guys are elitist assholes. |
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Apr 17, 2010 11:18:15 GMT -5
I think the issue is that Eric Bischoff is staying in character when posting this stuff. He's being a heel to get a rise out of people, and judging from what I've seen, he's succeeding wildly. However the problem here is that this is NOT a part of TNA television, and he is "heeling" on the people who support TNA financially. There aren't a whole lot of people out there buying TNA merch and ordering TNA PPV's... and the ones who do, don't want to be insulted.
I also agree with the sentiment that everyone who posts on the internet is not in an "IWC" who all share the same feelings. I post on this forum occasionally, but the wrestlers that I want to see are Mr Anderson, The Pope, Desmond Wolfe, AJ, and all the other guys who are headlining TNA right now. Does that make me a moron too, TNA Management?
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Post by Galluchadore on Apr 17, 2010 11:41:04 GMT -5
if this 100 percent legit this is probably not going to help TNA and only help Cornette/ROH/IWC. Now the focus isn't TNA vs WWE /Monday Night War 2.0 . the 1 vs 2 company. It's now ROH/Corrnette/IWC vs Tna... #2 vs #3.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 17, 2010 11:53:46 GMT -5
Why does this remind me of that video that he posted, that people thought was him doing it, but was a fan?
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 17, 2010 13:22:38 GMT -5
If you "repost" something, you are basically endorsing it, so Bisch is in effect calling the IWC morons.
Stuff like this is the reason wrestling will never be truly mainstream. Nobody wants to be labeled some sort of mythical evil elitist for posting on a message board.
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