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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 6, 2012 0:42:09 GMT -5
He's the most interesting persona in years. Yet, the IWC will find a way to bash him. It's almost as if people...have different opinions! Shit's crazy, right?
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Post by Cronant on Mar 6, 2012 0:45:06 GMT -5
Nope, Cena gets booed by the adult audiences. As Punk's pandering to them, he's got a bit more leeway with them. If Punk's pandering to the adult audience, then why do kids cheer for him as well? What does their reaction have to do with him 'pandering'? I'm not following. He has his audience and he's geared primarily towards it. Whether or not the other side boos him for it is irrelevant. He's very much meant to play off Cena and be opposite that and he himself has admitted to it. And its the smart thing to do.
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Post by Arrow on Mar 6, 2012 0:46:24 GMT -5
All pander really means is to "gratify or indulge" (taken from the definition on Google). I've never seen anything that says no else can enjoy something even if they're not the ones being pandered to. I don't see how "pandering" is spoken of in such negative terms since that what all of wrestling, hell pretty much all of entetainment, is. If this was addressed at me, then I wasn't trying to say that it was. I get confused over the same criticism. Everybody panders to someone.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 6, 2012 0:48:12 GMT -5
Honestly, this feud with Jericho has been the first time in quite some time that I've actually gotten into him. It really feels like he's sinking his teeth into this thing and is going to milk it for what it's worth, and not just go thorough the the motions like he did with Del Rio.
I think the reason for that is who he's facing. He has to go all in or he might be overshadowed. He never had to face that possibility with Del Rio or Ziggler.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 6, 2012 1:08:04 GMT -5
If Punk's pandering to the adult audience, then why do kids cheer for him as well? What does their reaction have to do with him 'pandering'? I'm not following. He has his audience and he's geared primarily towards it. Whether or not the other side boos him for it is irrelevant. He's very much meant to play off Cena and be opposite that and he himself has admitted to it. And its the smart thing to do. That's because the other poster was using the word like Punk was only enjoyable to a certain part of the audience. Like when people say a superstar is pandering to the IWC, they mean that the casual fan isn't interested in it. And this isn't the case with Punk, because you can say he's primarily targeting a certain group of people when in reality everything he does generally gets over with all kinds of fans. Actually I bet you'd hear less children complaining about him than adults. And it's never a smart idea to purposely try and isolate a specific group of fans. That's just not good business.
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Post by Down by Law on Mar 6, 2012 1:14:02 GMT -5
You are ALL a bunch of malcontents. I'm done with the stupid "IWC" Your mom's box.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 3:04:41 GMT -5
You are ALL a bunch of malcontents. I'm done with the stupid "IWC" Your mom's box.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 6, 2012 3:08:31 GMT -5
I don't see how "pandering" is spoken of in such negative terms since that what all of wrestling, hell pretty much all of entetainment, is. If this was addressed at me, then I wasn't trying to say that it was. I get confused over the same criticism. Everybody panders to someone. It wasn't directly at you, I was just adding on to the line of discussion.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 6, 2012 7:16:48 GMT -5
After suffering through Cena's reign of terror, Punk is a godsend even if his 'too hip for the room' schtick is borderline obnoxious.
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Post by Cronant on Mar 6, 2012 8:13:44 GMT -5
What does their reaction have to do with him 'pandering'? I'm not following. He has his audience and he's geared primarily towards it. Whether or not the other side boos him for it is irrelevant. He's very much meant to play off Cena and be opposite that and he himself has admitted to it. And its the smart thing to do. That's because the other poster was using the word like Punk was only enjoyable to a certain part of the audience. Like when people say a superstar is pandering to the IWC, they mean that the casual fan isn't interested in it. And this isn't the case with Punk, because you can say he's primarily targeting a certain group of people when in reality everything he does generally gets over with all kinds of fans. Actually I bet you'd hear less children complaining about him than adults. And it's never a smart idea to purposely try and isolate a specific group of fans. That's just not good business. Pandering has no connotation to the 'other' fanbase. Punk IS pandering to the typical internet fan. Thats where most of his references are aimed at. That much is undeniable. Children aren't as vocal as adults. Thats the difference. Its 'cooler' for a child to like a more adult oriented thing than the other way around. Its not isolating a group of fans, its playing to his strengths. The audience isn't one entity, its multiple entities with tastes that can almost be the exact opposite of each other. They're recognizing that. So yeah, its a really smart idea. Its not a clear cut "All children like so and so" thing, but most like Cena, so Punk is the counter to that for the older crowd. Thats the dynamic they wanted, I'm not sure how hard it is to see that, especially when Punk himself has said that before.
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Post by dav on Mar 6, 2012 9:54:30 GMT -5
What does their reaction have to do with him 'pandering'? I'm not following. He has his audience and he's geared primarily towards it. Whether or not the other side boos him for it is irrelevant. He's very much meant to play off Cena and be opposite that and he himself has admitted to it. And its the smart thing to do. That's because the other poster was using the word like Punk was only enjoyable to a certain part of the audience. No I didn't. I said he was pandering to the smark/adult crowd exactly the same way Cena panders towards the kids. There's no real difference between him and other main eventers in that respect was my point. He's doing exactly what the WWE lets him do and that's point him towards a certain market and act as someone they can cheer for.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Mar 6, 2012 10:58:39 GMT -5
I like how some people genuinly think that 100% of the IWC is composed of Punk fan girls like them...then when someone tells he's not liking this or that it's "THE IWC IS TURNING ON HIM I KNEW IT WOULD HAPPENN 111"
guess what, some people, like me for exemple, never liked Punk in the first place, and he always been bashed here and there for years. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's champ.
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Mar 6, 2012 11:05:22 GMT -5
... I just want my psycho heel cult-leader Charles Manson/Jesus Punk back. IS THAT SO WRONG? ;D
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Post by klapaucius on Mar 6, 2012 12:05:25 GMT -5
not me.
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Post by Greer on Mar 6, 2012 12:54:16 GMT -5
2 years ago he was beloved.
That is all I will say.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 6, 2012 15:28:00 GMT -5
CM Punk is always more interesting as a heel than as a face You can say that about pretty much every other performer who's ever competed in a wrestling ring, excluding some obvious figures. And it's true. As for Punk, at this point, it's become tiresome complaining about what's wrong with him or what the WWE did wrong, so I'm not going to bother. Punk is just another victim of the WWE Face Machine, and we all just have to accept it and move on, whether we like it or not. Or continue discussing about it, I honestly don't care.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 6, 2012 15:34:10 GMT -5
2 years ago he was beloved. That is all I will say. And what makes you think that isn't still the case? A few people on a message board, some of whom never liked Punk to begin with?
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Post by BigWill on Mar 6, 2012 15:36:24 GMT -5
That's because the other poster was using the word like Punk was only enjoyable to a certain part of the audience. Like when people say a superstar is pandering to the IWC, they mean that the casual fan isn't interested in it. And this isn't the case with Punk, because you can say he's primarily targeting a certain group of people when in reality everything he does generally gets over with all kinds of fans. Actually I bet you'd hear less children complaining about him than adults. And it's never a smart idea to purposely try and isolate a specific group of fans. That's just not good business. Pandering has no connotation to the 'other' fanbase. Punk IS pandering to the typical internet fan. Thats where most of his references are aimed at. That much is undeniable. Children aren't as vocal as adults. Thats the difference. Its 'cooler' for a child to like a more adult oriented thing than the other way around. Ok, now he's pandering to the typical internet fan, instead of adults? That sounds even more ridiculous. When's the last time he even used an insider reference, during his feud with HHH? And what is this typical internet fan anyway, and how do you exactly pander to them? Something like that would only work if the IWC really was a hive mind.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 6, 2012 15:53:13 GMT -5
... I just want my psycho heel cult-leader Charles Manson/Jesus Punk back. IS THAT SO WRONG? ;D Considering that he tended to grind the show to a halt much the same way that HHHeel did...
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Mar 6, 2012 18:21:14 GMT -5
... I just want my psycho heel cult-leader Charles Manson/Jesus Punk back. IS THAT SO WRONG? ;D Considering that he tended to grind the show to a halt much the same way that HHHeel did... Although he's not what got me into watching WWE (that was Jericho and Edge; I started watching in 2010), Jesus!Punk and the SES is what got me totally and completely hooked on wrestling, so... I'm afraid I must disagree about the show-grinding, haha.
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