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Post by sybaku on Mar 5, 2012 9:23:41 GMT -5
Please note this is not a hate thread I love Punk, watched him since his ROH days and I am happier then ever that he is in a top spot....
However I find myself rolling my eyes at his promos lately he just comes across so smarmy and cocky he just seems to forced like he's trying to say "LOOK LOOK AT ME GUYS I'M SO COOL AND EDGY I'M THE COOLEST MOST EDGY GUY IN THE E"
not to mention his twitter "beef" with Chris Brown screams 15 year old girl trying to get attention and I agree with Punk Chris Brown needs his ass slapped around but if your gonna do it, then do it don't run your mouth on a social network and get the douchbag more exposure...
Anyway anyone else feel that Punk is spending too much time trying to drop Pipebombs and be "cool" during his promos?
For example this past Monday between him and Y2J was awesome it seemed real and it made the belt matter that's the kind of Punk promo I wish he would do all the time instead of the "Alberto is boring haha" "Miz can't even wrestle haha" "John the boy scout haha" or "Do you like that PAUL" (cause using a wrestlers real name is so edgy)
Again not a Punk hate thread not even trying to nitpick just a discussion
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Mar 5, 2012 9:29:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure, I mean i've heard a lot about how everyone here is a giant hypocrite who loved CM Punk so much that we'd all excuse every historical and hypothetical-yet-to-happen disaster because CM Punk has the potential within him to possibly commit said real or pretend disaster
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Post by sybaku on Mar 5, 2012 9:31:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure, I mean i've heard a lot about how everyone here is a giant hypocrite who loved CM Punk so much that we'd all excuse every historical and hypothetical-yet-to-happen disaster because CM Punk has the potential within him to possibly commit said real or pretend disaster[/quote ? How does that relate to his promos?
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Post by redpyramidsh on Mar 5, 2012 9:56:06 GMT -5
I think it's just growing pains as he becomes a bonafide main eventer. I'd like to see him eventually get a fued where he gets to be as intense of a character as he was during his heel days.
Right now, all he does as a face is hurl some insults, drop some nostalgia and roll his eyes. I can't get into the jericho fued because I don't even feel like Punk gives a s*** about it, not to mention booking-wise he's already laid out Jericho with a single kick at the EC.
He needs to fued with Cena again.
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Post by dav on Mar 5, 2012 10:01:06 GMT -5
Preferred his cult leader gimmick to be honest. This worked shoot one can get a bit tiresome and comes across as a way to protect Punk.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 5, 2012 10:06:24 GMT -5
Preferred his cult leader gimmick to be honest. This worked shoot one can get a bit tiresome and comes across as a way to protect Punk. Giving him 3-4 jobbers (as the "cult leader") to take ass-kickings for him was a way to protect him too. If you don't protect a guy at all, you end up with Jack Swagger (or more and more these days, Dolph Ziggler).
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Mar 5, 2012 10:11:58 GMT -5
Is this where we post that "It Begins" clip?
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Post by Arrow on Mar 5, 2012 10:14:57 GMT -5
I liked evil, straight-edge CM Punk. I don't like "Best in the World" CM Punk. Somewhere during his feud with Triple H, I realized that he was only fun for the two months that he feuded with Cena and echoed the gripes that many have had with WWE for years now, but take him out of that setting and he just doesn't do as well. He's like that guy at school who wants so badly to be cool, but just comes off as annoying and corny instead.
Seriously, I can't remember a good promo he's had since 6/27 that didn't involve him "shooting" in some way. At best, they're mildly entertaining and nothing special. At worst, they're just as cringeworthy and stupid as some of John Cena's most infamous promos. Most of the time they're unfunny, lame, and unmemorable. And while I don't care that he's a bit of a dick, like some people have expressed, his attempts at being a badass do fall flat for the same reasons as Miz. He doesn't have that look at all. Undertaker does, Stone Cold does, Rock does, Cena does, but Punk doesn't.
I remember watching Raw with a friend last week, and we caught the end of the Punk/Bryan match. My friend made a pretty good point when he said something to the effect of, "Punk's good, but he doesn't really look like a wrestler. He just looks like a regular person". I agree with that. I admire his skill in the ring, but as a character and promo, the "Best in the World", he ain't.
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Post by dav on Mar 5, 2012 10:32:17 GMT -5
Preferred his cult leader gimmick to be honest. This worked shoot one can get a bit tiresome and comes across as a way to protect Punk. Giving him 3-4 jobbers (as the "cult leader") to take ass-kickings for him was a way to protect him too. If you don't protect a guy at all, you end up with Jack Swagger (or more and more these days, Dolph Ziggler). But even then, Punk took some knocks and the people he went against were able to match him in the ring and on the mic at least. Having him just shoot all the time without having anyone respond likewise just singles him out as someone that everyone else has to pull their punches with.
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Post by boolz on Mar 5, 2012 11:28:15 GMT -5
getting?
Punk's awesome. Increadible talent in the ring, amazing on the microphone, and charisma in spades. He could/should/maybe is one of the all time greats, but his BitW smarmy douche edgy 'ass, ass, ass, ASS' just comes off as so forced and paint by numbers that it's embarassing.
It's like the E wants him to be the next SCSA so bad that their pulling out all the stops, and somewhere with the 'pipebombs' and cursing and rehashing his 'Ima gonna leave with your belt' angle they forgot that Austin just had such an organic natural feel. That with a pair of tremendous opponents set SCSA up and primed him for the fued with McMahon, which really was a matter of lucky timing as it was anything else.
Punk doesn't have any of the timing, doesn't have Hart and HBK to get him over before his biggest fued, and doesn't have a strong enough foil to make us give anymore than two bits about him aside from his allowed 'pipebombs'.
I mean they couldn't even make Johnny Ace be an actual obvious dirty heel, so half the time Punk was out there with him he was just coming off as a whiny little bitch. Who in the grand scheme of things really hadn't be that mistreated.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Mar 5, 2012 11:52:44 GMT -5
I think he's great personally. I like him more now than at any other point in his career. It doesn't hurt that he's massively over and his theme music is awesome.
It really is quite striking though how often the internet turns on someone when they finally make it. I know, everyone has their reasons and such but it happens way too often to be coincidental.
John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, Miz, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have all had some level of backlash from internet fans once they became regular main eventers. Hell, some have turned on Zack Ryder already and he hasn't even had much success yet.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 5, 2012 11:59:52 GMT -5
I dunno, I think he's a better WWE Champion than almost anyone who's held it since 2004.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 5, 2012 12:09:21 GMT -5
Yea, some of those "pipebomb" moments have been really lame. I don't blame Punk for that entirely, as I think if he really wanted to say some edgy s*** that will get a reaction, he could. The thing is, WWE isn't going to let him call Daniel Bryan out for stealing Chris Benoit's finisher, or accuse Triple H of being on roids, or call out R-Truth for smoking "fake weed".
I'm not saying it would be a good idea to do those things, but I'm just saying that if Punk really didn't like those guys and didn't have to worry about consequences from WWE management, he has a TON of material to work with. It's a bit harder to be cool and edgy and drop pipebombs in a way that's not going to get him fired or beat up by the entire roster.
That said, I don't really find him annoying. For a wrestler that tells jokes during his promos, Punk is easily one of the funniest WWE has ever had. He's certainly the funniest promo guy they have right now (besides dedicated comedy characters, and even then Truth is the only one that I laugh at). Even if half of his jokes aren't really funny, he has a much better success rate than Cena IMO. To top it off, he's phenomenal in the ring so his promo stuff really doesn't matter to me. IMO, Punk is the best WWE champion the company has had in years. I haven't been so fully behind a champion since Eddie Guerrero.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 5, 2012 12:12:22 GMT -5
Yea, some of those "pipebomb" moments have been really lame. I don't blame Punk for that entirely, as I think if he really wanted to say some edgy s*** that will get a reaction, he could. The thing is, WWE isn't going to let him call Daniel Bryan out for stealing Chris Benoit's finisher, or accuse Triple H of being on roids, or call out R-Truth for smoking "fake weed". I'm not saying it would be a good idea to do those things, but I'm just saying that if Punk really didn't like those guys and didn't have to worry about consequences from WWE management, he has a TON of material to work with. It's a bit harder to be cool and edgy and drop pipebombs in a way that's not going to get him fired or beat up by the entire roster. If Punk wanted to go scorched earth on the roster with his promos, nobody would survive. Edge would have had a chance, I think. But he's gone.
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Post by Arrow on Mar 5, 2012 12:38:27 GMT -5
Yea, some of those "pipebomb" moments have been really lame. I don't blame Punk for that entirely, as I think if he really wanted to say some edgy s*** that will get a reaction, he could. The thing is, WWE isn't going to let him call Daniel Bryan out for stealing Chris Benoit's finisher, or accuse Triple H of being on roids, or call out R-Truth for smoking "fake weed". I think you should be able to be perfectly edgy without having to drag up the unpleasantness of someone's personal history in order to do it. Austin managed it just fine. If CM Punk would have to go to that length in order to make his promos work, then he must not be very good at it to begin with.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 5, 2012 12:46:05 GMT -5
Too douchey.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 5, 2012 12:48:29 GMT -5
Yea, some of those "pipebomb" moments have been really lame. I don't blame Punk for that entirely, as I think if he really wanted to say some edgy s*** that will get a reaction, he could. The thing is, WWE isn't going to let him call Daniel Bryan out for stealing Chris Benoit's finisher, or accuse Triple H of being on roids, or call out R-Truth for smoking "fake weed". I think you should be able to be perfectly edgy without having to drag up the unpleasantness of someone's personal history in order to do it. Austin managed it just fine. If CM Punk would have to go to that length in order to make his promos work, then he must not be very good at it to begin with. Um, no. Austin's edginess was him flipping the middle finger, swearing in promos, and drinking beer. That stuff is absolutely not going to happen in modern day WWE, aside from some mild swearing. I suppose they'll let Austin drink beer when he comes out but that's about the extent of it. The thing about Punk is, that whole "edgy" thing came about because he called out the company on the things that we, as fans, have been bitching about for years. It was shocking to see it mentioned on television. Well now the company has changed a lot of those things and Punk has been champion for several months. It's not like he can keep bringing up the same points long after they have become invalid.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 5, 2012 13:05:08 GMT -5
Hard to blame Punk too much. They turned him into a face, and faces in WWE just suck. Not much more to be said, they are just awful and pointless for the most part.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 5, 2012 13:15:22 GMT -5
Honestly, last week was the first really great promo he's had in a while, that's because they've actually given him a feud to sink his teeth into with Jericho because of their similarities. Most of his feuds since Hunter have really been nothing more than "Top Face vs Generic Heel" since then and the promos he gave really weren't that great.
As mentioned, it's not his fault, it's creative's for giving him really bland feuds to work with.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 5, 2012 13:17:11 GMT -5
Enjoyed what he did at first but I can see what the OP is saying, he does tend to force out the edgyness and it's awkward.
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