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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 7, 2012 14:37:05 GMT -5
Interesting question that just came to mind - would the reaction be better, worse, or about the same if it were Orton RKOing and beating Bryan inside of eighteen seconds? It's hard to say. That was a pretty shitty move by WWE, so whoever was on the other hand probably would have gotten heat regardless. But a lot of it is the fact that, amazingly, Sheamus is an even staler babyface than Cena. Arguably, Orton is one of the few faces that could have recovered from that relatively quickly, the other being CM Punk. But, again, there still would have been some backlash. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 7, 2012 14:43:12 GMT -5
I think the reaction would be worse if it was Orton. Orton squashing Bryan in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania would make him the face of the lowest hands dealt to each point of the WWE's Triforce of Nilla Midget: Punk, Bryan and Christian.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 7, 2012 14:47:38 GMT -5
I think the reaction would be worse if it was Orton. Orton squashing Bryan in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania would make him the face of the lowest hands dealt to each point of the WWE's Triforce of Nilla Midget: Punk, Bryan and Christian. Like... Ganondorf? |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 7, 2012 15:03:46 GMT -5
I'm just saying you got the whole week being Wrestlemania run off so just give it a week to see if it will go any further or just stop when it goes to other markets. He also got NO reaction when he won the Rumble. The crowed seemed more disappointed that Y2J didn't win it. Granted they were not booing, but is sitting on your hands actually any better? I say BS to that. He may not have gotten a huge pop, but to say he got no reaction is just not true. I also think though that even if Sheamus won the match in 20 minutes or lost the match to Bryan, he'd still be getting this reaction in Florida because that's what he was getting BEFORE the match even started. They could have put on a 5 star classic and had Bryan go over and I'm still certain Sheamus would have this reaction. But this is only Florida. If the other places boo him then they may have a problem here. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 15:15:42 GMT -5
He also got NO reaction when he won the Rumble. The crowed seemed more disappointed that Y2J didn't win it. Granted they were not booing, but is sitting on your hands actually any better? I say BS to that. He may not have gotten a huge pop, but to say he got no reaction is just not true. I also think though that even if Sheamus won the match in 20 minutes or lost the match to Bryan, he'd still be getting this reaction in Florida because that's what he was getting BEFORE the match even started. They could have put on a 5 star classic and had Bryan go over and I'm still certain Sheamus would have this reaction. But this is only Florida. If the other places boo him then they may have a problem here. I was at 'Mania, and whilst Sheamus wasn't getting a BIG face reaction on his initial entrance he wasn't getting outright booed to the other side of the planet. The reactions post-'Mania-win have been much much worse for him. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 7, 2012 15:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 7, 2012 16:03:37 GMT -5
WWE forcing it again, instead of moving with fan momentum
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Post by Jamback on Apr 7, 2012 16:34:26 GMT -5
This situation is begging for a double-turn. I'd do it this way:
Have Bryan win the title back in a hard-fought battle at Extreme Rules.
Have Sheamus snap, post match, and give Bryan a nasty beatdown. The type of beatdown that leaves the recipient out of action for a month or two.
If WWE is ballsy, have A.J. try to protect Bryan only to receive a beatdown, too. At least a Brogue Kick to the face.
On the following SmackDown, have John Laurinaitis come out at the beginning of the show and declare that since Bryan is in no condition to defend the championship, that he's been stripped of the title. Tonight on SmackDown, a new WHC will be decided between the top two contenders -- Sheamus and, say, Big Show.
Have Sheamus win the match, and the title, after interference from Laurinaitis and his crew. This officially turns Sheamus heel and associates him with Laurinaitis and company.
Play-up Bryan returning to take HIS title back for a few months, building up a major comeback storyline.
You could probably stretch things out long enough to where the blow-off match could make it to Summerslam.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 7, 2012 16:40:20 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think you need a double turn, but you should definitely give Bryan some momentum when they face off again, along with diminishing Sheamus' lack of such. Let Bryan continue to act heelish, (he doesn't have to go overboard with cartoonish evil) and Sheamus can start acting apathetic towards the crowd if this continues.
I don't want dramatic change overnight, but what I definitely don't want is for them to pour water on the fire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 16:59:12 GMT -5
I hold my hands up. I went about my point incredibly bad earlier.
Maybe it's cause I'm close to the situation, having watched Sheamus a number of times wrestle in Ireland, but I think the guy can be a mega-star. He's insanely charismatic, and can move for a big guy.
The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way.
As for his character, yeah it's gone towards more of a smiley guy, but he has an innate badassery about him that comes from being that size.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 7, 2012 17:08:03 GMT -5
I hold my hands up. I went about my point incredibly bad earlier. Maybe it's cause I'm close to the situation, having watched Sheamus a number of times wrestle in Ireland, but I think the guy can be a mega-star. He's insanely charismatic, and can move for a big guy. The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way. As for his character, yeah it's gone towards more of a smiley guy, but he has an innate badassery about him that comes from being that size. The crowd was too Pro-Daniel Bryan for it to have worked. Now if it was a crowd that hated Daniel Bryan (or at least his current character), it could have worked wonders but with that crowd, it wasn't going to work. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 17:11:31 GMT -5
I hold my hands up. I went about my point incredibly bad earlier. Maybe it's cause I'm close to the situation, having watched Sheamus a number of times wrestle in Ireland, but I think the guy can be a mega-star. He's insanely charismatic, and can move for a big guy. The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way. As for his character, yeah it's gone towards more of a smiley guy, but he has an innate badassery about him that comes from being that size. The crowd was too Pro-Daniel Bryan for it to have worked. Now if it was a crowd that hated Daniel Bryan (or at least his current character), it could have worked wonders but with that crowd, it wasn't going to work. Like I said, 18 seconds was a very bad idea. I saw another suggestion on the board saying Bryan should have out-wrestled Sheamus for a few minutes, then had a celebratory kiss from AJ, turns around, BAM! Brogue Kick. Sure, the crowd could have still reacted badly, but at least Bryan would have had the offense. I do believe though there are certain rabidly Pro-Bryan people that wouldn't have settled for anything other than Bryan crushing Sheamus. |
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Post by Richard on Apr 7, 2012 17:13:32 GMT -5
The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way Bryan had great matches with Khali, Show, and Henry where they sold for him and he made them look killer when he got a submission on and they are far bigger monsters than Sheamus. I am not saying an epic loss wasn't in his future but you don't do that kinda match for a world title and especially at Mania. You could easily go the smart route and have a match where where cannot weasel out, say I Quit match, where Bryan and him can wrestle but Sheamus freaking kills him to win, talking JBL/Cena levels of violence inflicted upon Bryan until he quits. Now Sheamus looks like a badass monster, Bryan got his just desserts and you don't screw the fans over and have them completely reject everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 17:20:44 GMT -5
The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way Bryan had great matches with Khali, Show, and Henry where they sold for him and he made them look killer when he got a submission on and they are far bigger monsters than Sheamus. I am not saying an epic loss wasn't in his future but you don't do that kinda match for a world title and especially at Mania. You could easily go the smart route and have a match where where cannot weasel out, say I Quit match, where Bryan and him can wrestle but Sheamus freaking kills him to win, talking JBL/Cena levels of violence inflicted upon Bryan until he quits. Now Sheamus looks like a badass monster, Bryan got his just desserts and you don't screw the fans over and have them completely reject everything. True. The thing is though, Sheamus is a different kind of monster. Show, Henry, Khali, those guys are slow in the ring. Sheamus is a good deal quicker, and not afraid to go out of his comfort zone. Something like an I Quit match, could work, but like a squash match isn't really a WM thing. Though having squash matches on PPV isn't really a new thing for a dominant bug guy (See; Goldberg). It was a bad, bad idea for it to be just 18 seconds, but certainly it was going to be quick. |
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Post by mizerable on Apr 7, 2012 17:22:52 GMT -5
I don't even know if that would work. I mean people might accept Sheamus as a monster, but again...it's going down a familiar path, especially with the way Sheamus has been acting for months now. I think just a competitive back and forth match would have served the fans enough, Sheamus catches Bryan out of nowhere and gets a narrow victory. It allows for the fans to believe in a rematch, a rematch that could go completely the other way.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Apr 7, 2012 17:23:15 GMT -5
I do believe though there are certain rabidly Pro-Bryan people that wouldn't have settled for anything other than Bryan crushing Sheamus. You get people like that in any fan group but 99% of Daniel Bryan fans would've accepted a 10-15 minute match with Sheamus going over. It always seemed like they were building to that, but like even you admitted to, 18 seconds was a stupid idea. Sheamus is just the fall guy for WWE's idiocy at the minute but I see that changing next week with the two live shows in a more casual market. Sheamus will get a favourable reaction, there will be some (less) YES! chants and D-Bry will mostly be booed. And sadly for Bryan this whole furore will be forgotten soon enough. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 7, 2012 17:34:44 GMT -5
If Sheamus beat even a fairly lukewarm fandom guy like Del Rio in the eighteen seconds, people still woulda thought it lame.
It's not the players involved, but the ludicrous booking that the majority hated.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 7, 2012 17:44:17 GMT -5
I feel at this stage that they need to distance Sheamus from Bryan as much as possible or at least turn Bryan face and Sheamus heel. They work better in that role a lot better than their current. I just really don't like Bryan's entire character the last 6 months (outside of his promos) and Sheamus' face run has turned into a trainwreck since WWE feels almost every Main Event face needs to be booked like Cena
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Post by kyromax on Apr 7, 2012 19:50:53 GMT -5
He also got NO reaction when he won the Rumble. The crowed seemed more disappointed that Y2J didn't win it. Granted they were not booing, but is sitting on your hands actually any better? I say BS to that. He may not have gotten a huge pop, but to say he got no reaction is just not true. I also think though that even if Sheamus won the match in 20 minutes or lost the match to Bryan, he'd still be getting this reaction in Florida because that's what he was getting BEFORE the match even started. They could have put on a 5 star classic and had Bryan go over and I'm still certain Sheamus would have this reaction. But this is only Florida. If the other places boo him then they may have a problem here. lol look it up. Santino's entrance got a bigger pop... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 20:49:20 GMT -5
The 18 second match was a bad idea, but think about it. Bryan has been weaseling his way to wins for months, and he was going to get his comeuppance at some point, and in a pretty epic fashion. It's how WWE has worked for years. And besides, Bryan's what? 5'8? 5'9? Sheamus is a 6'6 monster. That match could only go one way. Sheamus is billed at 6'4. I don't think Sheamus winning was the wrong call at all, it makes perfect sense with the build. It's just that there's a difference between a couple of seconds and a good 10-12 minute match. |
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