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Post by Legion on May 6, 2013 13:31:41 GMT -5
Madame Masque should have been in this movie.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 6, 2013 13:34:46 GMT -5
I don't know that much about Ironman in comic books but it's not exactly like they have a lack of choice as far as villains go (even if Mandarin is the most well know and his greatest enemy), when from what I have seen The Ghost, Spymaster, Ultron or AIM could have made decent choices (but that is off me doing a 2 minute google search and I am sure many people on here know more about his comic book history and his villains). Ghost & Spymaster are industrial spies, not really going to light the world on fire for a big final encounter in an action movie (Ghost might work at a pinch has the ability to become intangible) AIM would work if headed by MODOK (Arguably we got AIM in this film anyway.) Ultron is a Hank Pym Avengers villain who most of the time owns Iron Man due to his reliance on machines which Ultron just takes over, he's not an Iron Man villain. Iron man's rogue list is pretty thin anyway: Arsenal, Blizzard, Chemistro, Coldblood, Controller, Crimson Dynamo, Dmitri Bukharin, Detroit Steel, Dreadknight, Edwin Cord, Fin Fang Foom, Firebrand, Firepower, Fixer, Freak, Ghost, Justin Hammer, Justine Hammer, Sasha Hammer, Iron Monger, Kearson DeWitt, Killer Shrike, Living Laser, Madame Masque, Mallen, Mandarin, Mauler, Melter, Mordecai Midas, MODOK, Raiders, Spymaster, Sunset Bain, Sunturion, Temugin, Titanium Man, Ultimo, Unicorn, Vibro, Whiplash, Whirlwind, Wong-Chu & Zeke Stane *I crossed out the ones who have appeared/used under different names. Whiplash basically turned into Titanium Man by the end of Iron Man 2, Mallen is the EXtremis villain in the comics, Wong-Chu is Raza from the first film. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}They could of course use Temugin after the Mandarin reveal in this film. Same powers/same rings ... [/quote] On top of crossing out Coldblood and Firepower, we should cross off Crimson Dynamo too since IM2's Whiplash was a Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo hybrid. I doubt we ever get Justine and Sasha Hammer considering Justin Hammer was turned from old to young for IM2. With Justine Hammer being Justin's daughter and Sasha her daughter with the Mandarin...not happening without major retooling. I can see why fans would be mad about the twist. I'm just not sure it's a big deal with how the already changed Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer and Whiplash for the big screen. {Spoiler}Now if Ben Kingsley isn't revealed as lying about being the real Mandarin and he or whoever the real Mandarin is doesn't bust out the magic rings and unleash Fin Fang Foom on Tony by the series end...then I'm with you guys. |
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Post by Stu on May 6, 2013 13:34:57 GMT -5
By this point after the Avenger's release, we were on Thread No. 2  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 13:38:30 GMT -5
When it comes to the twist I would not have minded it if. IMO. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Instead of The Mandarin..it ended up being Lady Mandarin , that would have been a twist that would not have pissed me off and would have been pretty awesome |
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Post by Dat Dude on May 6, 2013 16:09:53 GMT -5
Just saw it, loved it. Wouldn't mind seeing it again. That is all.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on May 6, 2013 16:37:04 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}One of the annoying things about the Mandarin bait-and-switch is that it comes off like a Vince Russo swerve. "No one saw THAT coming!" Yeah, sure, but is the story really any better for swerving your audience? In my opinion, no. Especially when the REAL Mandarin turns out to be some buff douchebag replete with dragon tattoos and can spit hot fire. Even then, Pepper has more issue with the Mandarin at that point than Stark does. Having Kingsley as the Mandarin and having Killian as his Extremis lackey means the film could have paired Stark with the Mandarin and Pepper with Killian for the final battles (since War Machine/Iron Patriot takes a powder with the president).
What works as an interesting swerve? Iron Man not being in the suit when he's hit by the truck. Why? Because it thematizes visually the separation between the 'can' and the 'man', as was set up since "The Avengers." And yes, while the remote-controlled suit takes away a lot of the drama from wondering whether or not Stark's going to be okay when he's really just chilling somewhere piloting the machine, it at least forwards one of the themes that is specific to the character story of the protagonist that this film tries to tell: what is one's identity?
The Mandarin reveal is just a bad carbon copy of that, when instead having him as an irredeemable evil that has plagued Iron Man's life since the first film as the counterforce to Stark's new found heroism post-Avengers... it certainly wouldn't have been an impossible story, to say the least. |
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Post by lildude8218 on May 6, 2013 18:38:58 GMT -5
what trailers were attached to this? my theater f***ed up and had no picture showing through the pre-show commercials and all the way up to halfway through the Hangover III trailer. and that was only after someone went and told management. so I have no idea what the first movie was. something about kids running away.
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Post by Piccolo on May 6, 2013 18:54:41 GMT -5
what trailers were attached to this? my theater f***ed up and had no picture showing through the pre-show commercials and all the way up to halfway through the Hangover III trailer. and that was only after someone went and told management. so I have no idea what the first movie was. something about kids running away. After Earth, The Fast and the Furious 6, and The Hangover 3 are the ones I remember. Oh, and they also had trailers for Thor 2 and The Wolverine, for the Marvel tie-in. |
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Post by lildude8218 on May 6, 2013 19:05:00 GMT -5
what trailers were attached to this? my theater f***ed up and had no picture showing through the pre-show commercials and all the way up to halfway through the Hangover III trailer. and that was only after someone went and told management. so I have no idea what the first movie was. something about kids running away. After Earth, The Fast and the Furious 6, and The Hangover 3 are the ones I remember. Oh, and they also had trailers for Thor 2 and The Wolverine, for the Marvel tie-in. I had something, The Hangover 3, Monsters University, and The Wolverine. I don't remember any others. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2013 19:39:26 GMT -5
what trailers were attached to this? my theater f***ed up and had no picture showing through the pre-show commercials and all the way up to halfway through the Hangover III trailer. and that was only after someone went and told management. so I have no idea what the first movie was. something about kids running away. Fast and Furious 6, Star Trek into Darkness, Thor 2, and Man of Steel, which looks all kinds of awful. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 6, 2013 20:05:06 GMT -5
Man of Steel looks awESOME
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on May 6, 2013 21:04:03 GMT -5
I remember Hunger Games, Fast 6, Wolverine, Thor, Hangover, White House Down, Despicable Me 2*
*Not a real trailer, the minions did the "turn your phone off" commercial
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 6, 2013 21:20:21 GMT -5
I had Star Trek, Wolverine, Hangover, White House Down, and some Martial Arts film that looked pretty swanky.
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Post by héad.casé on May 7, 2013 4:45:33 GMT -5
I got Star Trek: Into Darkness, Epic, and the Rock introducing a 5 or 6 minute scene from Fast 6. I know there were more trailers but with commercials playing before them but I was just getting frustrated & tuned out. More so when they played the Fast 6 scene (but it was admittedly an awesome scene)
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Post by dav on May 7, 2013 15:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 7, 2013 20:36:13 GMT -5
Star Trek 2, Thor 2, Hangover III, and White House Down, which in all honesty looks like the movie Olympus Has Fallen could've been if they had tried harder and didn't base their source material on Red Dawn '12. Maybe it's just me being a big Jamie Foxx fan, maybe Olympus's graphics were just that bad.
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Post by The Sam on May 7, 2013 23:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by revolver86 on May 8, 2013 22:24:44 GMT -5
I just, finally, saw it. I enjoyed the hell, out of myself, but had my own issues. I'm a big comic book nerd, but please myself in not being butt-hurt by silly minutia, so I'll quote my facebook status after seeing the film:" I will say, the twist was brilliant, no matter how much it shit on us comic geeks. Easily my favorite part of the film! Too bad everything fell apart during "fight time". I don't care how awesomely spectacular the fight scene was, or how cool it was to see a million different versions of the Iron Man armour. You guys gave up story logic for big-bang-booms, unacceptable! If you're gonna tell a fun, stupid, plot-hole-filled superhero movie, do it! Don't be smart and clever, throughout, then dumb it down, at the end!"
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Post by mizerable on May 11, 2013 22:33:12 GMT -5
Is this the thread to post in for seeing this? Because I didn't see another one.
Anyways, I didn't read any other thoughts on this outside of the one thing about the humor in another thread, but I'll just post my comments;
I really didn't like this movie. I really thought they were f***ing overkill with the humor as well as a lot of other things. Maybe it's just something that's been wearing on me with a lot of these movies nowadays with all the action cliches, but they happened by the bucketloads to the point it just draws me off the action.
Now I know that Iron Man isn't exactly grounded in reality but I thought the primary villains were total shit. And granted, my knowledge isn't very good, but lava people just weren't that great and even the talents of Guy Pearce couldn't elevate his character. He's a guy who wants to control both sides of the war on terror I guess. I never gathered any major reasoning except for that, unless he was butthurt over the thing in 1999.
On top of that, I really hated the political undertones of the movie. Yeah, I know exactly what they were implying with the whole vice President thing, which seemed completely tacked on for no real reason. Yup, we "gave terrorism a face" and it's all about corporations and our government and all that bullshit. It's a tired tired cliche, something that was explored much better with the first 2 movies. And as much as I give slack to even the 2nd movie for not fleshing him out enough, Whiplash was far far more interesting than anything we got here.
The fight climax was completely and totally underwhelming, it's like they felt the need to top the Avengers or something but didn't even come close. Maybe I missed some cheap line of exposition between the 10,000 lines of humor they were throwing at me, but the fact that Tony didn't use one of the other suits earlier on was really dumb. I guess they weren't ready or something, but overall just totally ridiculous that Stark could call the busted up helmet but not Pepper's cell phone. I guess he forget the number or something.
My biggest irks were the f***ing suits. Are these things made out of the tin cans now? Because these things are busting left and right. Now I know most of the time he isn't in them, but it's still kind of stupid that now they just bust to pieces with one or two hits. I guess "those weren't ready" either. Nonetheless, much like a bodycount, every time a suit was destroyed, I was a little less invested in the suit because he was going through them like f***in' tissues. I guess he needed fireworks at the end when he decided to destroy them for no real reason.
Good thing Pepper saved the day and good thing Tony knew how to cure her, considering she fell into a vat of fire and lived. I guess we shouldn't personalize that kind of technology for...oh FIREFIGHTERS!!!!
Oh and all the sudden he can get that shrapnel removed. Guess he finally figured he'd do that over dying. Was this the last Iron Man movie or something? Because it really did give off that impression with wrapping that end up. Seriously, I thought the point before was that he couldn't get the shrapnel out?
It wasn't terrible, but it's probably the worst superhero movie I've seen in quite some time. It had it's moments, but it was pretty darn underwhelming.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on May 11, 2013 22:43:19 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. I made a post about why I wasnt too excited about it a while ago. WTF though with the Mandarian fake out?  Granted he's not in my top 20 villians list. But I was excited to see him and what we got was BS. It had a some good laughs so it wasnt a total letdown but still 3rd movie in a trilogy I shoulda known better. |
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Granted he's not in my top 20 villians list. But I was excited to see him and what we got was BS. It had a some good laughs so it wasnt a total letdown but still 3rd movie in a trilogy I shoulda known better.