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Post by wildojinx on May 12, 2013 7:47:03 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty good, better than 2 but 1 is still the benchmark. As for the Mandarin: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}They did make a point that he was still alive. Yes, he was being sent to prison, but theres always the possibility of escape or something. Heck, maybe in Avengers 2 he discovers the infinity gauntlet somehow and works with Thanos. |
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Post by Legion on May 12, 2013 8:12:16 GMT -5
I just, finally, saw it. I enjoyed the hell, out of myself, but had my own issues. I'm a big comic book nerd, but please myself in not being butt-hurt by silly minutia, so I'll quote my facebook status after seeing the film:" I will say, the twist was brilliant, no matter how much it shit on us comic geeks. Easily my favorite part of the film! Too bad everything fell apart during "fight time". I don't care how awesomely spectacular the fight scene was, or how cool it was to see a million different versions of the Iron Man armour. You guys gave up story logic for big-bang-booms, unacceptable! If you're gonna tell a fun, stupid, plot-hole-filled superhero movie, do it! Don't be smart and clever, throughout, then dumb it down, at the end!" 'butt hurt by silly minutia' I dont see the complete a fundamental overhaul of a guys primary villain as minutia myself.... |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 12, 2013 13:20:55 GMT -5
Finally got to the theater to see this flick.
I feel like they went overkill on the jokes for this one. And said jokes mostly fell flat with me (there were a few I laughed at, but can't remember offhand what they were).
I didn't care for the Mandarin twist. A buddy of mine said doing the Mandarin properly would've come off silly, but my counter to that was that the film's actual villain is a dragon-tattooed, fire-breathing corporate yuppie douchebag. Which is pretty f***in' silly when you think about it, but they managed to pull THAT off pretty well.
It's weird to me that the movie ends with Stark saying even if you take away all the gadgets and technology, he's still Iron Man, when it hardly feels like he's been Iron Man for the duration of the flick. The actual content of the movie seems to indicate that JARVIS is Iron Man. I genuinely felt, after it was all said and done, that Tony could completely stop being Iron Man and go about his business (which, I guess now is designing stuff to sell at The Sharper Image?), and the incredibly lifelike AI could be Iron Man from now on.
I did like the flick, though. I don't want to say it was all bad. I do still enjoy seeing RDJ play Tony Stark, and this time out Rhodey actually got to play a decent part in the events. In the other two movies, he felt kinda ancillary, like they had to put him in the movie because he's part of the comics, but they didn't really know what to do with him. And, as I mentioned, even though the take on Killian was pretty bonkers, I thought they executed it well. The fight scenes were pretty cool, and Tony's kid sidekick wasn't anywhere near as awful as children in these kinds of movies can be and have been prior.
I had a good, not great, time watching Iron Man 3. Call it nerdrage or butthurt or whatever, but I still would've liked to have seen an actual take on the Mandarin rather than the bait-and-switch. But overall, I feel like the Iron Man trilogy is more about its hero and his tribulations than it is about the actual villains he faces. So...whatever. I give the film 3.5 stars out of 5.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 12, 2013 13:52:22 GMT -5
Well just got back from seeing it. I honestly loved it. Quite possibly my favorite of the three. As for the twist.... {Spoiler}I both hated it and was alright with it. I hated it in that the character we thought was The Mandarin was just an actor, even though he had the look of The Mandarin. I was alright with it because I felt it flowed alright with the rest of the film and we still got to see Iron Man vs. The Mandarin in which The Mandarin absolutely destroys the Iron Man suits, albeit not how I was expecting I'd see it. I was of course expecting to see Tony get his ass whooped with alien technology-enhanced kung fu, not with a guy destroying the suits by melting his way through them. Also, I am really interested to see how they work Tony Stark/Iron Man into any future Avengers films, considering.... {Spoiler}He destroys all of his Iron Man suits, throws away his Arc Reactor, and has his shrapnel removed from his chest. At this point it will appear he'll only be in the Avengers films as Tony Stark, not Iron Man. Especially since the film said at the end of the credits that "Tony Stark" will return, but not Iron Man. I do think Iron Man is done for in the MCU films. I, however, expect Iron Patriot/War Machine to fill his void on the Avengers roster. I just don't see how Marvel/Disney can go forward with the future Avengers films without an Iron Man suit on the Avengers roster. That would be like a Justice League without a Batman on it..... |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 12, 2013 16:32:18 GMT -5
Well just got back from seeing it. I honestly loved it. Quite possibly my favorite of the three. As for the twist.... {Spoiler}I both hated it and was alright with it. I hated it in that the character we thought was The Mandarin was just an actor, even though he had the look of The Mandarin. I was alright with it because I felt it flowed alright with the rest of the film and we still got to see Iron Man vs. The Mandarin in which The Mandarin absolutely destroys the Iron Man suits, albeit not how I was expecting I'd see it. I was of course expecting to see Tony get his ass whooped with alien technology-enhanced kung fu, not with a guy destroying the suits by melting his way through them. Also, I am really interested to see how they work Tony Stark/Iron Man into any future Avengers films, considering.... {Spoiler}He destroys all of his Iron Man suits, throws away his Arc Reactor, and has his shrapnel removed from his chest. At this point it will appear he'll only be in the Avengers films as Tony Stark, not Iron Man. Especially since the film said at the end of the credits that "Tony Stark" will return, but not Iron Man. I do think Iron Man is done for in the MCU films. I, however, expect Iron Patriot/War Machine to fill his void on the Avengers roster. I just don't see how Marvel/Disney can go forward with the future Avengers films without an Iron Man suit on the Avengers roster. That would be like a Justice League without a Batman on it..... Most likely: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pretty sure Iron Man will be back, most likely with Extremis armor. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 12, 2013 17:50:05 GMT -5
Well just got back from seeing it. I honestly loved it. Quite possibly my favorite of the three. As for the twist.... {Spoiler}I both hated it and was alright with it. I hated it in that the character we thought was The Mandarin was just an actor, even though he had the look of The Mandarin. I was alright with it because I felt it flowed alright with the rest of the film and we still got to see Iron Man vs. The Mandarin in which The Mandarin absolutely destroys the Iron Man suits, albeit not how I was expecting I'd see it. I was of course expecting to see Tony get his ass whooped with alien technology-enhanced kung fu, not with a guy destroying the suits by melting his way through them. Also, I am really interested to see how they work Tony Stark/Iron Man into any future Avengers films, considering.... {Spoiler}He destroys all of his Iron Man suits, throws away his Arc Reactor, and has his shrapnel removed from his chest. At this point it will appear he'll only be in the Avengers films as Tony Stark, not Iron Man. Especially since the film said at the end of the credits that "Tony Stark" will return, but not Iron Man. I do think Iron Man is done for in the MCU films. I, however, expect Iron Patriot/War Machine to fill his void on the Avengers roster. I just don't see how Marvel/Disney can go forward with the future Avengers films without an Iron Man suit on the Avengers roster. That would be like a Justice League without a Batman on it..... Most likely: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pretty sure Iron Man will be back, most likely with Extremis armor. {Spoiler}Honestly at this time, if they tried to get Tony back into an Iron Man suit, I would actually dislike it. This film wrapped up his time as Iron Man, imo. Or at least his time in an Iron Man suit. He can still do something like remote pilot a suit, but I don't think he'll want to be physically right in the middle of the action any more. He has everything that he ever could want, and I don't think he'll risk losing all of it again, especially since he was basically given a second chance after his sacrifice attempt in The Avengers. I mean look at what surviving that sacrifice attempt did to him in this film, for example. |
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Post by Psy on May 12, 2013 19:12:51 GMT -5
{Spoiler} I don't think that the yuppie was the actual Mandarin, but a flunkie that got a bit too big for his britches. Weren't the 10 Rings mentioned as the terrorist organization in the first Iron Man? I wouldn't be surprised if this action in IM3 was a double-bluff and we haven't seen the real Mandarin yet. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 12, 2013 19:22:41 GMT -5
{Spoiler} I don't think that the yuppie was the actual Mandarin, but a flunkie that got a bit too big for his britches. Weren't the 10 Rings mentioned as the terrorist organization in the first Iron Man? I wouldn't be surprised if this action in IM3 was a double-bluff and we haven't seen the real Mandarin yet. I'd be surprised, because there was absolutely nothing to suggest that is the case. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}There was not a single explicit reference linking Mandarin to the terrorists from the first movie if I remember correctly. They cold have easily tied the two together a la Bane and the League of Shadows, but they did not. Far more likely that he could just regenerate. He could come back in a future movie, and Stark needs to remove that ability the same way he removed it from Pepper Potts to actually defeat him. |
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Post by Psy on May 12, 2013 20:33:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler} I don't think that the yuppie was the actual Mandarin, but a flunkie that got a bit too big for his britches. Weren't the 10 Rings mentioned as the terrorist organization in the first Iron Man? I wouldn't be surprised if this action in IM3 was a double-bluff and we haven't seen the real Mandarin yet. I'd be surprised, because there was absolutely nothing to suggest that is the case. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}There was not a single explicit reference linking Mandarin to the terrorists from the first movie if I remember correctly. They cold have easily tied the two together a la Bane and the League of Shadows, but they did not. Far more likely that he could just regenerate. He could come back in a future movie, and Stark needs to remove that ability the same way he removed it from Pepper Potts to actually defeat him. If I remember correctly the "10 rings" were part of the graphic before the terror broadcasts in IM3. That would be the understated link between the two movies. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 12, 2013 20:53:47 GMT -5
I'd be surprised, because there was absolutely nothing to suggest that is the case. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}There was not a single explicit reference linking Mandarin to the terrorists from the first movie if I remember correctly. They cold have easily tied the two together a la Bane and the League of Shadows, but they did not. Far more likely that he could just regenerate. He could come back in a future movie, and Stark needs to remove that ability the same way he removed it from Pepper Potts to actually defeat him. If I remember correctly the "10 rings" were part of the graphic before the terror broadcasts in IM3. That would be the understated link between the two movies. I had to double check to see if the logos were the same, and they were. I don't recall the group ever being mentioned by name though. Apparently the guy who gives Ivan Vanko a fake passport in Iron Man 2 was a 10 Rings follower (don't remember if this was in his prison escape, or if this was a cut scene) I don't get why they would understate that connection to the previous films. It seems like such a nice story arc to finish. |
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Post by Psy on May 12, 2013 21:03:14 GMT -5
If I remember correctly the "10 rings" were part of the graphic before the terror broadcasts in IM3. That would be the understated link between the two movies. I had to double check to see if the logos were the same, and they were. I don't recall the group ever being mentioned by name though. Apparently the guy who gives Ivan Vanko a fake passport in Iron Man 2 was a 10 Rings follower (don't remember if this was in his prison escape, or if this was a cut scene) I don't get why they would understate that connection to the previous films. It seems like such a nice story arc to finish. I think it's going to be build-up to a much bigger event. Or else someone is just toying with us. It'll be one of those things where the clues are there to find if you're diligent, but they're not going to beat you over the head with them. I'm probably reading waaaay too much into this, though. Here's hoping that it leads to an encounter with Fin Fang Foom. |
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Post by Rhody Codes on May 12, 2013 22:49:49 GMT -5
I'd be surprised, because there was absolutely nothing to suggest that is the case. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}There was not a single explicit reference linking Mandarin to the terrorists from the first movie if I remember correctly. They cold have easily tied the two together a la Bane and the League of Shadows, but they did not. Far more likely that he could just regenerate. He could come back in a future movie, and Stark needs to remove that ability the same way he removed it from Pepper Potts to actually defeat him. If I remember correctly the "10 rings" were part of the graphic before the terror broadcasts in IM3. That would be the understated link between the two movies. {Spoiler}Though there's a chance that Killian and Trevor essentially might've appropriated the Ten Rings' symbols and whatnot for their own purposes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 23:00:37 GMT -5
Quick Question: What were Venko's hand tattoos in Iron Man 2? I thought they were rings or the terrorist group's symbol but I can't remember for sure.
Also, a video made by a friend of mine about Iron Man 3 and the Mandarin:
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Post by Vampiro138 on May 12, 2013 23:15:24 GMT -5
saw it for a second time today, its a good movie and i really really enjoy it. im not so bothered by the twist really. {Spoiler}{few things i noticed the second time around}the scene with the "Mandarin" and the Roxxon guy about to get shot in the head in 30 seconds?
In the end credits, one of the scenes used in the credits is of the Roxxon guy getting up and shaking the "Mandarin's" hand when he's suppose to be dead...
Roxxon's in on it i feel. Wonder if Roxxon will lead to the Serpent Crown storyline
the whole "thats the universe" thing shown to pepper before the brain is the same one from Thor and Captain America. perhaps AIM is trying to build a cosmic cube, maybe try to get the infinity gauntlet.
the guy who played Whiplash's "decoy" from IM2 was one of Killian's thugs
and finally...
Killian's appearance changes echo the Mandarin as portrayed during different eras.
He starts out with buck-teeth, like 60's Mandarin. In videos of him performing extremis experiments he has Knauf's era Mandarin's look. When shirtless he has a dragon tattoo like 80's Mandarin |
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Post by ZombieElvis on May 13, 2013 0:06:03 GMT -5
If I remember correctly the "10 rings" were part of the graphic before the terror broadcasts in IM3. That would be the understated link between the two movies. I had to double check to see if the logos were the same, and they were. I don't recall the group ever being mentioned by name though. Apparently the guy who gives Ivan Vanko a fake passport in Iron Man 2 was a 10 Rings follower (don't remember if this was in his prison escape, or if this was a cut scene) I don't get why they would understate that connection to the previous films. It seems like such a nice story arc to finish. Maybe they are still laying the ground work for a greater reveal that will happen in a future film. Like the return of the Red Skull/HYDRA with AIM and 10 Rings being shown working for HYDRA. Overall, I really enjoyed Iron Man 3. Only two comedy bits really annoyed me: {Spoiler}Spoiler
Happy Hogan being all crazy and super protective. If he had been like this in the first two films I wouldn't have a problem, but Happy was way more relaxed in the first two movies.
Near the end after Pepper fell into the fire having the mk 42 armor crash was not needed and didn't work at all with what was happening at this point in the movie. I laughed when the big truck hit the armor after the scene on Air Force One, but they did the "armor breaks apart" gag too often. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 13, 2013 0:17:06 GMT -5
I had to double check to see if the logos were the same, and they were. I don't recall the group ever being mentioned by name though. Apparently the guy who gives Ivan Vanko a fake passport in Iron Man 2 was a 10 Rings follower (don't remember if this was in his prison escape, or if this was a cut scene) I don't get why they would understate that connection to the previous films. It seems like such a nice story arc to finish. Maybe they are still laying the ground work for a greater reveal that will happen in a future film. Like the return of the Red Skull/HYDRA with AIM and 10 Rings being shown working for HYDRA. Overall, I really enjoyed Iron Man 3. Only two comedy bits really annoyed me: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Happy Hogan being all crazy and super protective. If he had been like this in the first two films I wouldn't have a problem, but Happy was way more relaxed in the first two movies.
Near the end after Pepper fell into the fire having the mk 42 armor crash was not needed and didn't work at all with what was happening at this point in the movie. I laughed when the big truck hit the armor after the scene on Air Force One, but they did the "armor breaks apart" gag too often. {Spoiler}Really, aside from the fact that the Mk 42 was remote controlled, did anyone else feel like it was kind of a step back compared to the Mk 7 he used at the end of The Avengers? Then again, to be fair, Tony basically had to throw it head first into field use despite not being combat ready, so we didn't get to really see what it could do, but even taking that into consideration, I think I'd prefer the Mk 7. Sure it isn't as versatile in that the Mk 7 essentially is stored in a jetpack while the Mk 42 was individual pieces, allowing him to do some cooler things with it, but aside from that and the remote control, I personally think Tony perfected his armor with the Mk 7. Plus he didn't require numerous implants under his skin to control the Mk 7, he just needed his two bracelets. |
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Post by Brickstone Kid on May 13, 2013 1:04:43 GMT -5
I found this film very underwhelming. Iron Man is hardly even in it, and while the Mandarin thing is kinda funny I found the actual antagonist to be quite lame. A huge step down from the Avengers IMO. It's been said before, but I feel like these Iron Man movies will forever be haunted by their lack of a great villain. Such a shame because Robert Downey Jr. is awesome in the role.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 13, 2013 2:09:09 GMT -5
I found this film very underwhelming. Iron Man is hardly even in it, and while the Mandarin thing is kinda funny I found the actual antagonist to be quite lame. A huge step down from the Avengers IMO. It's been said before, but I feel like these Iron Man movies will forever be haunted by their lack of a great villain. Such a shame because Robert Downey Jr. is awesome in the role. Well Mandarin aside, Iron Man kind of lacks any really good villains. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 2:31:07 GMT -5
Yeah, Iron Man has a weird collection of villains. They're either armored guys or people with energy based powers; characters like Titanium Man or the Crimson Dynamo would also seem dated and redundant as Iron Monger already appeared. Cool characters but essentially just guys in a suit like Tony. Justin Hammer's hired guns, like the Ghost, Beetle, Blizzard, Boomerang, etc. are either too B-list for a movie or one note in terms of ability; there would be a risk of Iron Man vs. a bunch of guys with powers.
Stane's son is pretty interesting but he essentially has biological counterparts for Tony's weapons, like the repulser rays, so he's essentially another foil and not much more. Living Laser's cool but I don't know if he could sustain a whole movie and characters like the Grey Gargoyle and Killer Shrike couldn't as well.
The Madame Masque idea that Legion suggested would be pretty cool but it wouldn't depend on how they depicted her; in the wrong hands, she'd be too much like Talia from Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by CM Parish on May 19, 2013 5:42:47 GMT -5
Let's put it this way: Would the general movie-going public, most of whom might not follow comics closely, even care if a certain character's aspects are altered in such dramatic ways to fit the narrative of the movie? I am the person you describe. I LOVED the twist. It was hilarious. |
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