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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:43:43 GMT -5
That match was better than anything on the pay-per-view last night save for the Tag title bout.
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 28, 2013 22:46:17 GMT -5
ooh I'm the first to comment on a name mistake!! Damien Snadow vs. Jorn Cena @ Survivor Series plz  Not if ADR has anything to say about that though unfortunately. Brilliant intense match, but like others said not sure how strong it makes sandow look due to prematch beat down |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 28, 2013 22:46:21 GMT -5
This idea of being put over seems to matter less and less these days.
If they have booking in mind for Sandow, then this was good for him. If they don't (which I suspect), then it was just to get the briefcase off him so they can focus TV time on someone they have a storyline in mind for.
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Post by Error on Oct 28, 2013 22:46:45 GMT -5
Yep, beating the piss out of a guy who was already injured, and then not being able to put him away when minutes earlier they had the doc making sure he could continue; then injured one armed man beats you clean as a whistle... Actually, makes a guy look pretty crappy. But when the guy is a non-entity for months, losing most of his matches and looking like a putz I'd thinking hanging with Cena like he did would be a major improvement. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:47:04 GMT -5
I'll repost what I said before I actually don't hate it. A) It was a great match, so Sandow will always have that on his resume. B) This could lead to some interesting character progression. Everybody can relate to messing up on something easy, like making an error that cost your team a win, missing an easy layup etc, so he can be humbled by this and become a babyface. Or Sandow can go insane for losing and admitting he was to soft and decides to f*** up people and channel his inner aggresionzz I think this will do more more for him than a heatless title reign. I LOST A FIGHT TO A ONE ARMED MAN I'M GETTIN AGGRESSIVE YALL isn't really much in the way of character progression to me. That's Alberto Del Rio every Raw after losing to Sheamus on PPV. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 28, 2013 22:49:20 GMT -5
I'll repost what I said before I actually don't hate it. A) It was a great match, so Sandow will always have that on his resume. B) This could lead to some interesting character progression. Everybody can relate to messing up on something easy, like making an error that cost your team a win, missing an easy layup etc, so he can be humbled by this and become a babyface. Or Sandow can go insane for losing and admitting he was to soft and decides to f*** up people and channel his inner aggresionzz I think this will do more more for him than a heatless title reign. I LOST A FIGHT TO A ONE ARMED MAN I'M GETTIN AGGRESSIVE YALL isn't really much in the way of character progression to me. That's Alberto Del Rio every Raw after losing to Sheamus on PPV. Sure it is. Sandow could easily say he wasn't aggressive enough in the ring and wanted to showboat a win rather than go for the kill and destroy Cena's arm. Now he's going to take that frustration of losing to all his future opponents. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 28, 2013 22:49:26 GMT -5
Oh, and one more note: What annoyed me more than the actual win was when Sandow was knocked out of the ring and was so out of it that it was treated like a foregone conclusion that Cena would win by countout unless he brought Sandow back in, which he did. Now that's bullshit. Cena manages to win a knockout, dragout brawl by fighting for his life, even with one arm, I can buy that. He's a big hero. But Cena, injury and all, being able to f*** around with choosing how he wants to win? That made Sandow look completely ineffectual, IMO.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 28, 2013 22:49:51 GMT -5
Yep, beating the piss out of a guy who was already injured, and then not being able to put him away when minutes earlier they had the doc making sure he could continue; then injured one armed man beats you clean as a whistle... Actually, makes a guy look pretty crappy. But when the guy is a non-entity for months, losing most of his matches and looking like a putz I'd thinking hanging with Cena like he did would be a major improvement. If you lose 10 dollars, but then win back 5, you're still down money. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 28, 2013 22:50:48 GMT -5
I LOST A FIGHT TO A ONE ARMED MAN I'M GETTIN AGGRESSIVE YALL isn't really much in the way of character progression to me. That's Alberto Del Rio every Raw after losing to Sheamus on PPV. Sure it is. Sandow could easily say he wasn't aggressive enough in the ring and wanted to showboat a win rather than go for the kill and destroy Cena's arm. Now he's going to take that frustration of losing to all his future opponents. SO...Alberto Del Sandow then. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 28, 2013 22:51:14 GMT -5
I dunno, it's just to me: "Well he didn't get f***in destroyed." doesn't quite = getting put over big time.
I mean, yeah, he didn't get squashed, but circumstances still have him looking pretty weak.
As was said, had they not done the prolonged beatdown beforehand, it'd be a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:52:16 GMT -5
Yep, beating the piss out of a guy who was already injured, and then not being able to put him away when minutes earlier they had the doc making sure he could continue; then injured one armed man beats you clean as a whistle... Actually, makes a guy look pretty crappy. It was like the Edge vs. Mr. Kennedy match with the MITB on the line, if Kennedy lasted 15 minutes and won with a Mic Check outtanowhere. Cena should've put up up a strong fight but lost in about 5 minutes. They're pushing it too far into "Cena's superman everyone else is merely mortal" for me. And I think it's by design, to "troll" his haterz with bad storytelling. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 28, 2013 22:53:04 GMT -5
Sure it is. Sandow could easily say he wasn't aggressive enough in the ring and wanted to showboat a win rather than go for the kill and destroy Cena's arm. Now he's going to take that frustration of losing to all his future opponents. SO...Alberto Del Sandow then. Probably, but it's still a logical character progression. A man blew an easy shot to reach his dreams, he becomes angry and decided to f*** up other people. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:53:26 GMT -5
But when the guy is a non-entity for months, losing most of his matches and looking like a putz I'd thinking hanging with Cena like he did would be a major improvement. If you lose 10 dollars, but then win back 5, you're still down money. But you're still in a better position than you were before. Last night Sandow wrestled a dark match against Kofi Kingston. Tonight he went 15 minutes with the top guy in the company in a heated match. We'll have to wait and see what he does at the Smackdown tapings and on coming shows, but after that match tonight Sandow is almost certainly going to be in a better position than he was this time last week (when I couldn't even tell you who he was wrestling or feuding with). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:54:07 GMT -5
Sure it is. Sandow could easily say he wasn't aggressive enough in the ring and wanted to showboat a win rather than go for the kill and destroy Cena's arm. Now he's going to take that frustration of losing to all his future opponents. SO...Alberto Del Sandow then. He'll never release that Full Nelson slam! He's just gonna hold him up there forever!!! |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 28, 2013 22:54:18 GMT -5
SO...Alberto Del Sandow then. Probably, but it's still a logical character progression. A man blew an easy shot to reach his dreams, he becomes angry and decided to f*** up other people. That's lazy. When you do it with multiple characters, all heel, that's pure laziness. |
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Post by Error on Oct 28, 2013 22:56:04 GMT -5
But when the guy is a non-entity for months, losing most of his matches and looking like a putz I'd thinking hanging with Cena like he did would be a major improvement. If you lose 10 dollars, but then win back 5, you're still down money. If you started with nothing, you'd still be up though. Granted all this depends on how they use him going forward but to me, that is the position Sandow is in. He went in with nothing, went up a lot, took a hit but still walked out with more than he had. WWE can easily f*** it all up but they can just as easily build on this a lot more than they could by giving him the title. |
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Post by BigWill on Oct 28, 2013 22:56:37 GMT -5
If you lose 10 dollars, but then win back 5, you're still down money. But you're still in a better position than you were before. Last night Sandow wrestled a dark match against Kofi Kingston. Tonight he went 15 minutes with the top guy in the company in a heated match. We'll have to wait and see what he does at the Smackdown tapings and on coming shows, but after that match tonight Sandow is almost certainly going to be in a better position than he was this time last week (when I couldn't even tell you who he was wrestling or feuding with). I just don't think being in a slightly better position than before equals being put over big time. Sandow still looks like a weak midcarder that should have never won MITB in the first place. |
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Post by Paco on Oct 28, 2013 22:56:46 GMT -5
1- GREAT match. Total main event caliber. Sandow is for real!
2- Sandow choked his cash-in. INTELLECTUAL SAVIOR my ass.
Kayfabe-wise, Sandow is a loser.
You cashed in on a one-armed Cena and lost. Yup.
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 28, 2013 22:57:43 GMT -5
18 seconds...
Punk getting buried by Triple H after the summer of Punk...
You never know with the WWE.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 28, 2013 22:57:49 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, that was probably Sandow's best WWE match by far to date.
But no, the loss didn't make him look that good, and now he's in a critical spot. Is he gonna become an even bigger ineffective but weasely heel a la The Genius, or will he turn it on and start hurting people? Will he turn face? This is a weird instance where someone initially didn't benefit from a booking decision yet at the same time it gives the writers some interesting options.
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