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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 29, 2013 12:42:44 GMT -5
Tito Santana was already in the downside of his career before he became a matador. If anything it bought he a couple of extra months. Not really. In 91, he was in the main event of Summerslam with Hogan and Warrior. In that same year, they turned him into El Matador and was gone by 93. There was even talk of making him the face of the company after the steroid trials because they wanted to expand into Mexico but they went with Bret and a Canadian expansion instead. Either way, the Matador gimmick wasn't over and neither is this one. The lame El Torito comedy bits have been some of the lamest, most dated, carny humor they've ever done. While I don't particularly care for the gimmick, to argue Los Matadores aren't over is absurd. They've been getting great reactions because it's goofy.
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Post by angryfan on Oct 29, 2013 12:52:26 GMT -5
The match was a Catch 22. If Sandow won, he would had beaten an injured Cena and not been on the same level as him. Sandow loses, he couldn't beat an injured Cena. I'm just happy he didn't win and follow the path of a majority of MITB winners. Actually, Sandow wins and it FITS his gimmick. he's a "thinking man's wrestler", he saw a weakness and exploited it, he picked his spot. That would make him the kind of heel the Horsemen were. This...leads to what? He wasn't ready, because no one is ready after being jobbed to the moon and back. Dude has been a Rey Mysterio free TV title run kind of streak since he got the briefcase, and that is definitely not a good thing. To make it worse, he loses all the time, and doesn't even get to get any heat on the mic like Punk did when he lost for months straight as leader of the SES. A good heel can lose every match every week, as long as they get to get some heat either through sneak attacks or some time with a mic. Sandow has been given none of that. So now the guy who wasn't doing a damn thing before the cash-in loses to a one armed Cena after beating him down with a chair and...does what? What do you do with Sandow now? Midcard reset?
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Post by psychokiller on Oct 29, 2013 13:04:14 GMT -5
Sandow would have looked good if the MITB briefcase wasn't on the line & the fact that Cena had a injured arm. Now this will 100% bring Sandow back to the mid-card indefinitely. If he still had the case, he would still have a chance of becoming champ, but now he has nothing to fall back on to reach the next level.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 29, 2013 13:08:10 GMT -5
The match was a Catch 22. If Sandow won, he would had beaten an injured Cena and not been on the same level as him. Sandow loses, he couldn't beat an injured Cena. I'm just happy he didn't win and follow the path of a majority of MITB winners. Actually, Sandow wins and it FITS his gimmick. he's a "thinking man's wrestler", he saw a weakness and exploited it, he picked his spot. That would make him the kind of heel the Horsemen were. This...leads to what? He wasn't ready, because no one is ready after being jobbed to the moon and back. Dude has been a Rey Mysterio free TV title run kind of streak since he got the briefcase, and that is definitely not a good thing. To make it worse, he loses all the time, and doesn't even get to get any heat on the mic like Punk did when he lost for months straight as leader of the SES. A good heel can lose every match every week, as long as they get to get some heat either through sneak attacks or some time with a mic. Sandow has been given none of that. So now the guy who wasn't doing a damn thing before the cash-in loses to a one armed Cena after beating him down with a chair and...does what? What do you do with Sandow now? Midcard reset? If Sandow was truly a thinking man, he would had attacked Del Rio after his match against him on Smackdown a few weeks ago and cashed in on him. A smart man would had known Cena vs the odds always end in Cena's favor. Beating Del Rio, especially since he no longer has back up, is a easier win. And where Sandow goes? Where Ziggler, Swagger, and The Miz currently resides. Just he's not a former world champion like those guys.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Oct 29, 2013 13:16:05 GMT -5
He would have came off looking better if he had just left after the sick beatdown.
Mind games, folks. But nope, he had to cash in and look like a fool.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 29, 2013 13:43:00 GMT -5
The match was a Catch 22. If Sandow won, he would had beaten an injured Cena and not been on the same level as him. Sandow loses, he couldn't beat an injured Cena. I'm just happy he didn't win and follow the path of a majority of MITB winners. Actually, Sandow wins and it FITS his gimmick. he's a "thinking man's wrestler", he saw a weakness and exploited it, he picked his spot. That would make him the kind of heel the Horsemen were. No thinking man would ever assume that betting against Cena when the odds are in your favor is a good idea. He should have attacked himself to intentionally make his odds of winning really low and thereby fatally weaken Cena. It's the only way he would have won.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 29, 2013 13:48:54 GMT -5
But nope, he had to cash in and look like a fool. Isn't that kind of a fitting comeuppance for the single most arrogant man on the show, though?
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Post by angryfan on Oct 29, 2013 13:49:59 GMT -5
Actually, Sandow wins and it FITS his gimmick. he's a "thinking man's wrestler", he saw a weakness and exploited it, he picked his spot. That would make him the kind of heel the Horsemen were. No thinking man would ever assume that betting against Cena when the odds are in your favor is a good idea. He should have attacked himself to intentionally make his odds of winning really low and thereby fatally weaken Cena. It's the only way he would have won. Dude, that's it, I have it. A gimmick where they will only wrestle triple threat matches, and as soon as the bell rings, they put themselves in a submission hold and tap out, like Chavo against Stevie Ray back in WCW. However, since it's triple threat, they win the match and any titles that are on the line, since the champion doesn't have to be involved in the decision.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 29, 2013 14:07:21 GMT -5
No thinking man would ever assume that betting against Cena when the odds are in your favor is a good idea. He should have attacked himself to intentionally make his odds of winning really low and thereby fatally weaken Cena. It's the only way he would have won. Dude, that's it, I have it. A gimmick where they will only wrestle triple threat matches, and as soon as the bell rings, they put themselves in a submission hold and tap out, like Chavo against Stevie Ray back in WCW. However, since it's triple threat, they win the match and any titles that are on the line, since the champion doesn't have to be involved in the decision. I genuinely want to see that happen now, that would be amazing.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Oct 29, 2013 14:26:58 GMT -5
There is a place between "buried" and "put over" that is likely where this lies that the internet will never find.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 29, 2013 14:35:07 GMT -5
Not really. In 91, he was in the main event of Summerslam with Hogan and Warrior. In that same year, they turned him into El Matador and was gone by 93. There was even talk of making him the face of the company after the steroid trials because they wanted to expand into Mexico but they went with Bret and a Canadian expansion instead. Either way, the Matador gimmick wasn't over and neither is this one. The lame El Torito comedy bits have been some of the lamest, most dated, carny humor they've ever done. Tito was not in the main event of Summerslam 91. He wasn't even on the card. Tito wasn't going to be the face of WWF. He may had the technical skills and crowd support but he lacked the mic skill and personality to make the champion of the company. That's the reason why when Hogan and WWF decided to make someone the new face of the company when he took a leave of absence, they choose Macho Man. Bret got chosen because his age, reliability, and fan connection. And even then, they were grooming HBK to take over eventually. Ok, so it was 90. Same time frame.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 29, 2013 14:39:53 GMT -5
He would have came off looking better if he had just left after the sick beatdown. Mind games, folks. But nope, he had to cash in and look like a fool. That's all good and well in hindsight, but I'm sure people would also be calling him a fool if he didn't bother cashing in when Cena was that beaten up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 14:47:53 GMT -5
It was more of a carry job for Cena. I did enjoy the match but I'll just echo some of the statements here and say Sandow looked crappy last night.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Oct 29, 2013 14:51:08 GMT -5
Damien Snadow could give Rice Flair a run for his money. Bert Hart should be the special guest referee...Bert Hart is always special guest referee.
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 29, 2013 15:13:16 GMT -5
Just realized that the MITB Anthology is released today
....Well that doesn't help things
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Post by Tha Don on Oct 29, 2013 15:23:34 GMT -5
Sandow was put over, not as a BIG TIME MAIN EVENTER! But he was put over as someone who could potentially be a threat in the future. Sandow's a low/mid carder of course he lost to Cena(one armed Cena yeah) but he still looked like a threat especially during that beatdown before the match. Sandow wasn't 'ready' for the WHC briefcase or that title imo, I do think he'd make a good midcard champion if he actually got booked to do something with it. Yeah a BIG TIME JOBBER!
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Oct 30, 2013 13:45:57 GMT -5
I know we aren't supposed to cross the streams of feds in these forums, but something happened in ROH that proved Sandow wasn't buried.
Long story short, to further the fued, Michael Bennett pile-drives Kevin Steen before Steen's match with Eddie Edwards. Before the match started, Eddie pleaded with Steen and Nigel to cancel the match. Obviously, Eddie didn't want to come off as beating an injured guy. Only after getting goaded into it by Steen, eddie fought him. Every two minutes, Eddie looked at Nigel and the ref, shrugging his shoulder in a "what-do-you-want-me-to-do" manner. My perception was Eddie should have just counted himself out and walked away. he looked stupid considering the circumstances.
Sandow, on the other hand, is a solid heel. He's going to win at all costs. He wrestles one of the best matches of his life, and looks within an eyelash of beating Superman, one-armed or not, good in doing so.
In comparison, nothing in the Steen/ Edwards match, which we've seen ad infinitum, made me care more or less for Edwards...or Steen for that matter. Nothing changed for Cena, but Sandow came about as someone who could bring it, be a potential main-event, only if he gets another shot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 13:54:56 GMT -5
Yep, beating the piss out of a guy who was already injured, and then not being able to put him away when minutes earlier they had the doc making sure he could continue; then injured one armed man beats you clean as a whistle... Actually, makes a guy look pretty crappy. But when the guy is a non-entity for months, losing most of his matches and looking like a putz I'd thinking hanging with Cena like he did would be a major improvement. You'd think that losing most of your fights, then moving onto a (gimped) opponent out of your caliber and losing to him too is a major improvement? That isn't even how it works in action movies, let alone a (worked) sport.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 30, 2013 14:09:28 GMT -5
He would have came off looking better if he had just left after the sick beatdown. Mind games, folks. But nope, he had to cash in and look like a fool. That's all good and well in hindsight, but I'm sure people would also be calling him a fool if he didn't bother cashing in when Cena was that beaten up. I would have called him a genius who anticipated that cashing in on Cena when the odds were against him was a terrible idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 14:12:44 GMT -5
It was fine.
This is Cena we're talking about. A few years ago, guys like Damium Snadow wouldn't even have gotten more than a punch in.
He did what he could.
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