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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2016 11:48:43 GMT -5
from what I remember the thought process was not Bumblebee man but Bumblebees are fat and fly... Ricardo is pudgy but still did highflying spots. You never hear stories of him calling guys like Bam Bam Bigelow or Vader Bumblebee, only people like Ricardo, Super Crazy or Savio Vega who wasn't what most people would consider a high flier. I've only heard that referenced to Ricardo.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 21, 2016 11:57:41 GMT -5
You never hear stories of him calling guys like Bam Bam Bigelow or Vader Bumblebee, only people like Ricardo, Super Crazy or Savio Vega who wasn't what most people would consider a high flier. I've only heard that referenced to Ricardo. Ricardo brought it up in interviews, he spoke to both Savio and Super Crazy while working in Puerto Rico and Mexico so it wasn't just him, but it does seem to be a term Triple H uses exclusively to describe hispanic wrestlers.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 21, 2016 12:40:40 GMT -5
The original name for Kaientai in the WWF was Club Kamakazi....eh ya. Also speaking of World War 2 Japanese stereotypes, the original gimmick for Kenzo Suzuki was going to be Hirohito. Didn't they even goes as far as to air a Hirohito promo before they pulled the plug on the idea?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 21, 2016 12:43:03 GMT -5
Vince didn't confuse those Jimmy and Curtis. McMahon confuses black talent names in more than one ocassion. Also the fact that he thought it would be ok to say the n word in a promo, makes him a racist in the same level as Watts in my opinion. To be fair, I confuse people's names based on traits (race, hair color, style of dress) all the time. Maybe he's just stupid like I am. McMahon is intriguing. He often cites Bobo Brazil as his favourite wrestler and is never short of a Brazil story (referencing all of Chris Jericho's biographies). He also has a bromance with R-Truth. Did Vince Sr and Jesse not employ a black man in senior management when racism was rife in the 50s and 60s? I think there haven't been many black WWE champions simply because they haven't sold as many tickets. When they did, like The Rock, they were made champion. If there is a wrestler that can be a proven box-office draw, say like early Will Smith, McMahon would put the title on him IMO.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2016 12:43:51 GMT -5
The original name for Kaientai in the WWF was Club Kamakazi....eh ya. Also speaking of World War 2 Japanese stereotypes, the original gimmick for Kenzo Suzuki was going to be Hirohito. Didn't they even goes as far as to air a Hirohito promo before they pulled the plug on the idea? Yes, the first promo said Hirohito. I choose to believe that was the same guy that pitched Unfrozen Nazi Heidenreich...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2016 12:47:54 GMT -5
To be fair, I confuse people's names based on traits (race, hair color, style of dress) all the time. Maybe he's just stupid like I am. McMahon is intriguing. He often cites Bobo Brazil as his favourite wrestler and is never short of a Brazil story (referencing all of Chris Jericho's biographies). He also has a bromance with R-Truth. Did Vince Sr and Jesse not employ a black man in senior management when racism was rife in the 50s and 60s? I think there haven't been many black WWE champions simply because they haven't sold as many tickets. When they did, like The Rock, they were made champion. If there is a wrestler that can be a proven box-office draw, say like early Will Smith, McMahon would put the title on him IMO. Hey the often maligned "Vince's Limo Driver" James Dudley was actually a super important part of the WWE history, and he was the first black man to run a major US arena.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 21, 2016 12:51:56 GMT -5
McMahon is intriguing. He often cites Bobo Brazil as his favourite wrestler and is never short of a Brazil story (referencing all of Chris Jericho's biographies). He also has a bromance with R-Truth. Did Vince Sr and Jesse not employ a black man in senior management when racism was rife in the 50s and 60s? I think there haven't been many black WWE champions simply because they haven't sold as many tickets. When they did, like The Rock, they were made champion. If there is a wrestler that can be a proven box-office draw, say like early Will Smith, McMahon would put the title on him IMO. Hey the often maligned "Vince's Limo Driver" James Dudley was actually a super important part of the WWE history, and he was the first black man to run a major US arena. It's taken awhile, but I am so glad more and more people are moving away from the whole "Vince's Limo Driver" thing for James Dudley. He was a vital cog for years in the Capitol Wrestling Corp. and WWWF who was a Hall of Fame punchline for waaaay too long. He deserved his spot.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 21, 2016 12:58:39 GMT -5
To be fair, I confuse people's names based on traits (race, hair color, style of dress) all the time. Maybe he's just stupid like I am. McMahon is intriguing. He often cites Bobo Brazil as his favourite wrestler and is never short of a Brazil story (referencing all of Chris Jericho's biographies). He also has a bromance with R-Truth. Did Vince Sr and Jesse not employ a black man in senior management when racism was rife in the 50s and 60s? I think there haven't been many black WWE champions simply because they haven't sold as many tickets. When they did, like The Rock, they were made champion. If there is a wrestler that can be a proven box-office draw, say like early Will Smith, McMahon would put the title on him IMO. I've always seen Vince as someone who has no problem with black people whatsoever, but is also old enough that there are still certain stereotypes that he's never been able to fully move past. Kinda like how it seems racist when your Grandma or Great Uncle would still casually use the word "Negro" even tho there was no malice behind it, that's just how they grew up. And I say it's been very clear over the years that Vince has really struggled to evolve with the times
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 21, 2016 15:30:59 GMT -5
Considering R-Truth travels with Vince and the Mcmahons,in the private plane and limos,I would kind of doubt Vince is racist.
Now on the deep south indie scene there is plenty of racism. I know of one fed,it closed a few years ago,that would pay the white wrestlers 15 a match,but pay the black wrestlers 5 a match.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 21, 2016 18:27:57 GMT -5
Bro, what about the guy who said Americans only wanna watch Americans wrestle, bro?
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Post by chrom on Dec 21, 2016 18:37:27 GMT -5
Magnus was told by Russo he wouldn't ever become a Champion because he was British
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 18:44:53 GMT -5
I recently read Gart Hart's book and here's a doozy about old Cowboy Bill Watts:
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 21, 2016 19:06:02 GMT -5
yeah, Booker T, the 0 time, 0 time, 0 time, 0 time, 0 time WWE champion. He and Mark Henry both won the WHC LONG after it was established as the one that doesn't matter. I think the prejudice here was not skin color, but past employment, when it comes to Booker. Did we forget how the angle to WM 19 was built with HHH?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 19:07:59 GMT -5
I will defend Vince on this point, he's a 70 year old man who reportedly doesn't sleep and has seen hundreds of talent come and go in the past 10 years, he's sent guys who aren't on the payroll out to do things in the ring because they're there and generally behaves erratically so mixing up people's names is kind of to be expected. I have little doubt he's done that with lowercard talent a hundred times or more, regardless of race. Shelton Benjamin had been fired for years at that point... Also he called Big E who had been signed for a couple of years Zeke, who had also been fired for years. It hasn't been an isolated incident. I've never heard a story of McMahon confusing white wrestlers. Vince also thought it was a good idea having the new day come out rolling dices and with stereotypes. Also in fairness I don't know if every release is always something he's particularly hands on with. He apparently forgot he fired Jimmy Wang Yang once. That's not to say that WWE doesn't suck with non-white wrestlers. Like bringing out black wrestlers that are rarely ever on TV specifically to job on MLK day and stuff like that is really atrocious. EDIT: Didn't see that this thread was 3 pages and this has been brought up already.
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Post by hossfan on Dec 21, 2016 19:35:30 GMT -5
Mark Henry wasn't "The Silverback"; he was "The Self-Proclaimed Silverback". I swear, every time the announcers would call him by his nickname they would use that qualifier. They probably thought it was a good way to cover themselves.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 21, 2016 19:44:44 GMT -5
I've always seen Vince as someone who has no problem with black people whatsoever, but is also old enough that there are still certain stereotypes that he's never been able to fully move past. Kinda like how it seems racist when your Grandma or Great Uncle would still casually use the word "Negro" even tho there was no malice behind it, that's just how they grew up. And I say it's been very clear over the years that Vince has really struggled to evolve with the times There is that, but the fact that Vince keeps Michael Hayes as one of the top writers hurt it- since even beyond the other claims said of what Hayes used, Michael Hayes has always been one of wrestling's biggest proponents of the mindset that "you don't have to give a black wrestler a gimmick, because "he's black" IS his gimmick"...and that is a big reason there hasn't been many huge African-American draws to make it to the top of the company.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 20:34:45 GMT -5
Russo's prejudices show up a lot in his booking, in the 1980s for all the stereotypes associated with the gimmicks the non white wrestlers were at least usually presented as legit tough guys who (if babyface) were good dudes. Fast forward to Russo's AE and every non white wrestler who wasn't Rock or Eddie was booked as a complete goober who couldn't do anything right.
Things seem to be good now, the Asian and Hispanic talent in nxt got over quickly, can't think of a black star on the roster currently being held down (arguably Kofi should have had a title reign by now but he's had a great career and there's more to come).
For recent unpleasantness there's MVP cutting a racially charged promo (complete with n bomb) which was rumored to be scripted by the very white Billy Corgan (whose politics are all over the place) still I guess MVPs a big enough star to tell Corgan no way if he was uncomfortable with it.
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Post by lws on Dec 22, 2016 5:01:22 GMT -5
Mark Henry was asked to start calling himself "The Silverback," but he had to turn it down because it was offensive. Was this separate from his 2006 Smackdown run? Because I remember everyone, including Henry himself, using that term. I wasn't watching at the time, so I admit my info was off. More recently Henry's been treating it like he rejected it out right, but I guess he used it for a while before others complained and now he's admitting it was bad in retrospect.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 22, 2016 6:55:01 GMT -5
McMahon is intriguing. He often cites Bobo Brazil as his favourite wrestler and is never short of a Brazil story (referencing all of Chris Jericho's biographies). He also has a bromance with R-Truth. Did Vince Sr and Jesse not employ a black man in senior management when racism was rife in the 50s and 60s? I think there haven't been many black WWE champions simply because they haven't sold as many tickets. When they did, like The Rock, they were made champion. If there is a wrestler that can be a proven box-office draw, say like early Will Smith, McMahon would put the title on him IMO. I've always seen Vince as someone who has no problem with black people whatsoever, but is also old enough that there are still certain stereotypes that he's never been able to fully move past. Kinda like how it seems racist when your Grandma or Great Uncle would still casually use the word "Negro" even tho there was no malice behind it, that's just how they grew up. And I say it's been very clear over the years that Vince has really struggled to evolve with the times While I am all for equality and think racism is a terrible thing. I would like to add it's difficult for lots of people to change with the times at this point. SJW culture and the overly sensitive butthurt generation we are in now has led to the nothing is funny everything is offensive mindset that is so totally over the top it's killing standup comedy and pretty much any median that involves jokes.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 22, 2016 12:57:26 GMT -5
Thought of another example.
There is a local wrestler,who claims to be the son of a famous Mid South/WWF star who is now dead,and for years he refused to lose to any white wrestlers.Got so bad that no fed would book him. So to keep working he started up his own fed. Which somehow got on the local Fox channel. But cause of him not paying the bills for the airtime,plus stealing footage off ESPN ,the show ended after 4 episodes.
So to keep being able to wrestle he changed his mind.
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