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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 24, 2018 11:55:42 GMT -5
Cash over ethics is the encompassing issue. It's almost certainly not Hunter's call to do this, but he has to defend the Vince decisions, so it's perfectly fair to rag on him for it. I don't think people would feel it's very "fair" if people were giving sales associates (or insert average 9-5 job here) shit for their company's decisions. Triple H is going to inherit the company.
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Post by Cela on Apr 24, 2018 11:59:23 GMT -5
"Look, very rich people threw a boatload of money at us. Literally a boat, full of money. Most of it was lost in the fire, but the amount we gathered was enough to buy hundreds of Big Show strip malls. They also asked for a superstar to stay behind and amuse them. We already gave them Bo Dallas, but they deemed this an insult."
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 24, 2018 12:01:11 GMT -5
Triple H is going to inherit the company. That does not change my point or the likelihood that this wasn't his decision, but a decision he has to do his best to explain. And because of his position, he's open to criticism for it. "Just following orders" is not an excuse in any scenario.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 24, 2018 12:02:30 GMT -5
I mean that was the best possible answer he could give so there is that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 12:03:20 GMT -5
Triple H is going to inherit the company. That does not change my point or the likelihood that this wasn't his decision, but a decision he has to do his best to explain. Maybe they should have had a woman speak on the topic....I hear they have a Chief Brand Ambassador that’s a pioneer for women’s rights.
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Post by Powerline on Apr 24, 2018 12:05:01 GMT -5
I'd consider myself a bit of an SJW (not looking for a fight, but will take part in one if it arrives at my doorstep), but I get it. If they did throw women out there in a culture where women are seen as so much of an inferiority and "less than", there'd likely be issues amongst not only the government there but the fanbase itself. And if the government itself is footing the bill on it, you kinda gotta play by their rules. Only other option is to not play, and at the end of the day the WWE is a business and McMahon is a businessman above all else, so at the reported price Saudi Arabia is paying, "not playing" wasn't gonna happen.
This response almost seemed like he was saying "you're right, that IS bullshit" without saying it outright. I do believe he wants that perspective to change (you wanna provide the entire product to as many as possible), and even if it is wishful thinking, I'm sure he'd love WWE to be attributed as an agent of that change. It'd be a HELL of a bullet point for the company to point at if in the next few years such a shift happens, especially if they do go back a few more times (small or large events), even if how much the WWE contributed to any potential cultural shift can't really be quantified.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Apr 24, 2018 12:25:47 GMT -5
Isn't this the first major event that women will be allowed to spectate? On the grand scale of things it may not seem like much but it's a step toward a new direction for them. And yeah, no shit, WWE is getting paid a f*** ton of money to put on this event but does it not speak to anything that a WWE show is breaking this type of ground?
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Post by Scooterdust on Apr 24, 2018 12:27:06 GMT -5
Why do you think the women got the main event spot on Raw, and presumably tonight on Smackdown as well? They're giving the women the main events this week it seems in lieu of the notion that women can't perform at the show.
That being said, does Saudi Arabia still segregate audiences by gender? I wonder how it will come across on tv.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Apr 24, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -5
"Hunner! we're girls" Beth Phoenix. Man those were the days, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 12:53:15 GMT -5
Triple H is going to inherit the company. That does not change my point or the likelihood that this wasn't his decision, but a decision he has to do his best to explain. I wouldn't put it past Triple H to accept this gig if it were his call anyways. I'm not hip enough on Saudi Arabian politics to have an intelligent stance on whether that's a good or bad thing but I'm sure Triple H/Stephanie would follow the money there too. I think Triple H's sales pitch is alright even though placing WWE at the "forefront" of women's evolution is annoying, and I'll never buy that their intentions have anything to do with anything but getting paid. Whether this ends up being a good or bad move politically is incidental, they're just making money.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2018 12:56:25 GMT -5
It's a good PR answer, but they're legit doin it for monetary reasons. That's a for profit business's right, but let's not pretend it is other than what it is.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 24, 2018 12:59:47 GMT -5
It is the best answer he could've given from a PR standpoint and I get that it might not have been Trips' decision to do such a thing. I just think it's hypocritical for WWE to pat itself on the back as this agent of change for progressive attitudes towards women athletes while performing a show in one of the most regressive countries in the world for human rights, much less women's rights.
I mean, if Hunter had said "Look, the check was fat" at least it would've been honest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:02:02 GMT -5
Lol...
What else did people want him to say?
That was the perfect response. Lemme see what you'd say in that situation.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 24, 2018 13:02:05 GMT -5
But Hunter
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Post by Error on Apr 24, 2018 13:04:14 GMT -5
It is amazing to me how short sited people are about the whole situation. You may not agree with the laws of a culture of a country but they doesn't mean black ball those countries for a reason. This is one event that CAN start the change, just like in Dec. Remember Alexa and Sasha had the first women's match in Abu Dhabi? Nothing will change unless you start breaking the ice and people seem to not see that. The WWE has fans in every country in the world, it's a global company. Equal right is what everyone wants in every country. WWE believes in that and think about this, 10 years ago it wasn't the case in the WWE itself. Changes are a process and this is the first step for the next one. I get people are concern for a payday and guess what, I'm sure they get something soon to make up for it. Thank you. WWE toured in UAE for years but only just got the Women on the card and it was a huge accomplishment. It is the same with Saudi Arabia, WWE can help bring about change, especially with the government backing the efforts for change as they seem to be. It won't happen overnight but this is a start. And yeah, they are going for the cash just like they do for the UAE but that doesn't mean they cannot be an agent of change either.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 24, 2018 13:07:45 GMT -5
Lol... What else did people want him to say? That was the perfect response. Lemme see what you'd say in that situation. Yea I feel like as adults we all know what's going on He gave the best response he could but yes they are indeed there for the money which is pretty damn obvious WWE does have Abu Dhabi as their "calling card" in regards to trying to make change so it's all about moving forward.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Apr 24, 2018 13:20:11 GMT -5
Triple H is doing a solid job on the PR. He has to walk a line, he's an executive for a publicly-traded company. He doesn't have the luxury to spout off at the mouth left and right like most people.
WWE is a business, first and foremost. If they can somehow enact change in a backwards culture by way of their shows, all the better, but it will never be their end all, be all. This show opens up all kinds of possibilities for their business, and ultimately, more shows like this will lead to women being able to work in places they couldn't before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:27:32 GMT -5
Hunter's not wrong, and I'd say did as diplomatic a job talking about it as one in his position could.
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Post by abjordans on Apr 24, 2018 13:36:45 GMT -5
This is my thoughts on this. There have been lots of instances in history where a band or performer goes to a places they would not have been able to perform at previously due to political issues and things of that nature. They are typically applauded and seen as being at the forefront of change, as well as providing great entertainment to a group of people who has not normally had that available to them. WWE does it, and their fans (in large, not all) use it as another opportunity to shit on them and essentially label the company evil. The relationship between WWE and their “fans” is really fascinating to me. WWE is different than a band or a performer going some place that they previously weren’t able to for political reasons because those bands or performer don’t usually celebrate themselves as being on the forefront of women being treated as equals wwe does that to an exhausting level and if they really wanted to show that they mean business they probably shouldn’t be working with these people until real change takes place not them saying change has taken place. I’m actually shocked how little backlash I’ve seen over this seeing that just 1 short month ago everybody was outraged that wwe was gonna name a meaningless preshow battle royal after a woman that treated women terribly 30 or 40 years ago and now a month later in 2018 women aren’t allowed to be involved in anyway with a wwe show and most people seem fine with that and I find that incredibly sad I was raised to believe men and women are equals even before July 2015 when Stephanie McMahon made that fact acceptable to the masses. This is chess not checkers. WWE will be the first company to feature female performers in the UAE. That won’t be huge?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 14:09:37 GMT -5
This is my thoughts on this. There have been lots of instances in history where a band or performer goes to a places they would not have been able to perform at previously due to political issues and things of that nature. They are typically applauded and seen as being at the forefront of change, as well as providing great entertainment to a group of people who has not normally had that available to them. WWE does it, and their fans (in large, not all) use it as another opportunity to shit on them and essentially label the company evil. The relationship between WWE and their “fans” is really fascinating to me. To be fair, they assume we are nothing but morons who have no lives & are very stupid for giving a shit about their company. It cuts both ways.
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