Rave
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Post by Rave on Apr 24, 2018 14:12:21 GMT -5
It makes sense, but doesn't make last night's main event any less of a badly booked consolation prize. They didn't have to advertise the GRR during it, nor did they have to schmaltz the finish with their celebrity flavor of the month. Do better there, WWE.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 24, 2018 14:20:23 GMT -5
It's part of a PR effort from Saudi Arabia called Saudi Vision 2030. WWE are enthusiastic enablers of that campaign because the Saudi regime is minted. Nothing more, nothing less.If the female roster has to be marginalised to benefit from that, then WWE are willing to do it.
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Post by Doctor No on Apr 24, 2018 14:25:36 GMT -5
Long story short the company is talking out of both sides of it's mouth for $$$. Gotcha!
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Post by bearned on Apr 24, 2018 14:50:30 GMT -5
I think it’s asking a bit much for WWE to change Saudi culture but if they genuinely feel like they can be part of it then why not? I’ve no idea how popular wrestling is over there and whether this is just a flavor of the month thing with the new guy in charge of the country but if it’s part of a wider effort to make the place more modern and they get some sweet cash money out of it then go for it.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 24, 2018 14:56:35 GMT -5
Cash over ethics is the encompassing issue. Ethics have never been at the forefront of WWE. This is a company that had Jinder make a crack about Verne Troyer dying just a day or two after he died.
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TWERKIN' MAGGLE
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 24, 2018 14:58:30 GMT -5
Cash over ethics is the encompassing issue. Ethics have never been at the forefront of WWE. This is a company that had Jinder make a crack about Verne Troyer dying just a day or two after he died. So then we should have a free pass to rag on their executives, no?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 24, 2018 15:03:28 GMT -5
My only problem is the “forefront” line. You guys were super late to the party STFU.
TNA and UFC beat you to that punch by years. That said I do think HHH has a lot to do with women getting a chance. 1. He knows talent 2. Gotta give the wife chances to look good.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Apr 24, 2018 15:23:47 GMT -5
Basically the higher ups reactions to not having women on the card: ![](https://frinkiac.com/video/S12E05/lTnRGIC0t2C7i2xbZAqYEYXip-4=.gif) ![](https://frinkiac.com/video/S12E05/SlUNrYrCcg9N1qHy1OxJ6QwuYLw=.gif)
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 24, 2018 15:27:58 GMT -5
Cash over ethics is the encompassing issue. Ethics have never been at the forefront of WWE. This is a company that had Jinder make a crack about Verne Troyer dying just a day or two after he died. Or airing a tribute to Jimmy Snuka and even employing him after he got convicted in a civil suit of killing Nancy Argentino. Or naming a battle royal after Moolah who forced girls into prostitution. Or naming an award after the Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 24, 2018 15:44:46 GMT -5
Cash over ethics is the encompassing issue. It's almost certainly not Hunter's call to do this, but he has to defend the Vince decisions, so it's perfectly fair to rag on him for it. I don't think people would feel it's very "fair" if people were giving sales associates (or insert average 9-5 job here) shit for their company's decisions. Hunter isn't a sales associate. He is an executive and son in law of the owner/chairman. If it was a referee then your point would hold up.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 24, 2018 16:20:36 GMT -5
There isn't any right answer to this, other than maybe refusing to go there in the first place. If WWE IS going there it's not even really their choice given how things are over there. I can't really fault WWE on this one.
Though on a more perhaps dickish note, if you think Saudi Arabia is going to make any societal changes based on seeing a wrestling show, I want your narcotics.
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 25, 2018 1:00:51 GMT -5
A lot of y'all are giving HHH and WWE WAY more credit than they deserve. Also, Saudi Arabia isn't gonna change a damn thing just because WWE came to town that one time. Hell nah
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Post by emk on Apr 25, 2018 2:46:42 GMT -5
The lack of women isn't the problem here. Hint: it rhymes with 'floor chimes'.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 25, 2018 2:48:07 GMT -5
I'm getting some serious LOLS at people who honestly think that this event could help lead to some sort of social change in Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 25, 2018 4:29:37 GMT -5
“Every culture is different. Some treat women like property, not like humans. That doesn’t mean the culture is bad”.
Yes it frickin’ does.
The best answer Trips could have given was “Due to the rules of the host country, female performers are unable to make the trip. It is a decision we disagree with and will fight to change in the future. As compensation to our valued female performers, every woman on the roster will be paid the same as the Undertaker for the date and be given the weekend off.”
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Post by MAGGLE on Apr 25, 2018 4:42:55 GMT -5
“Every culture is different. Some treat women like property, not like humans. That doesn’t mean the culture is bad”. Yes it frickin’ does. The best answer Trips could have given was “Due to the rules of the host country, female performers are unable to make the trip. It is a decision we disagree with and will fight to change in the future. As compensation to our valued female performers, every woman on the roster will be paid the same as the Undertaker for the date and be given the weekend off.” Never start a business
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 25, 2018 6:34:16 GMT -5
I have no problem with the idea that the WWE wants to be at the forefront of change in Saudi Arabia. It's a country that is changing, very slowly (although the reasons for change seem to be far more about positioning for regional dominance and economic benefit than they are about human rights, and their increasingly belligerent foreign policy is going to cause more problems for the region), and every positive example of progressive culture should be offered to them.
But that means the WWE has to make some statement to push for change, instead of taking the money, happily cutting their women out of the deal and putting on the most packed show they've ever done. And they're not going to say or do anything to upset the people with the money, we all know it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 25, 2018 6:53:15 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way Triple H could have pleased everyone with his answer, but there's also a bunch of people that would still think Triple H was an asshole if he bought them a car and gave them millions of dollars.
I think doing the show is right call based on two pieces of feedback - one poster on here and another on Twitter who actually live in Saudi Arabia and have said how this is an indication of things improving and it is good for the people even if it technically endorses a corrupt regime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -5
Entertainers have been doing this for years. Playing private concerts for dictators is nothing new. It's the WWE's job to make a profit, not be womens rights activists.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 25, 2018 8:57:03 GMT -5
Entertainers have been doing this for years. Playing private concerts for dictators is nothing new. It's the WWE's job to make a profit, not be womens rights activists. Sure but then don't present yourselves as womens' rights activists. That's the main issue people are chiming in with here. If you're going to do what's right for your business then fine, do that, but be aware of what those actions mean and don't puff yourself up to have it both ways.
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