Bret Hart accuses late brother's widow of erasing wrestling

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 11, 2018 21:50:30 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Jul 11, 2018 20:20:46 GMT -5 thetower52 said:

You can really see Owen in Oje Face. Also god damn, he’s f***ing ripped

You ain't kidding.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVAdrpQgw94

Wow

I doubt he ever will due to his family but if this guy ever wanted to try and be a wrestler, I think he'd have a good chance...

[Tiger Millionaire]

I am going to try to be delicate because I don't want to come across as heartless(no pun intended), but if you don't think that the main goal of Connors Cure is a capitalistic one, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. That doesn't mean that they don't care, or they see everything as a way to make money, but to not think that the WWE doesn't use it's philanthropy to help sell itself to sponsors is naive. Vince McMahon is a multi-billionaire, he can, and I'm sure has, give money to numerous causes without the self promotion. They don't, and while that is totally their prerogative, and doesn't make them bad people, let's call it what it is, and understand that the WWE hypothetically making a DVD and giving all the profits to Owen's charity, still helps the company in the boardroom. If Vince McMahon was so interested in helping the legacy of the Owen Hart foundation, and I can't say that he hasn't done this, he could certainly make a financial donation quietly.

[The Trashman]

Jul 12, 2018 23:41:58 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

Most everyone who cares lost someone they liked to watch on TV. The other Harts lost family members. She lost the person she had chosen to spend the rest of her life with. Her opinion outweighs anyone else's. You don't choose your family, you choose your spouse. That's why the first next of kin is the spouse, not the blood relatives. She knew more about him than we ever well, she knew him far better than anyone else. She knew more intimately what he felt about his career and family than we do. We have zero basis whatsoever for making claims about what would give closure or what would be good for her grown, adult kids. If they want to delve into their dad's wrestling career (and they probably have at this point), they're completely able to do so themselves.

To be honest, I suspect that most, if not all wrestling fans saying that she should let the WWE do this or that with him for the closure have no real altruistic intent at all, they just want to see Owen matches and such released by WWE. I don't have any problem with people wanting an Owen DVD or something with his matches on, but I have a hard time believing random wrestling fans have a better clue about what would bring closure than the guy's spouse.

And no, if I were in her shoes, I wouldn't given WWE an inch of his legacy either. It was a dumb stunt that went wrong and led to the death of the father of her children. She was left a single mother and widow because of their stunt that they had Owen do. Why in the world would anyone argue that WWE should benefit, no matter how tangentially, from that performer after their stupid stunt led directly to his death? Should an amusement park be allowed to have a "tribute day" for a kid who died on a faulty ride over the family's protests? Hell, no. If the family doesn't approve, that's the end of it.

Jul 12, 2018 23:05:20 GMT -5 The Trashman said:

I'm not sure why anyone thinks WWE is trying to make money off of Owen. Putting him in the HOF or WWE 2K19 isn't going to move the needle for them, but I bet the foundation would get more notoriety and certainly more donations if she would let the WWE team promote it like Connors Cure.

For starters, WWE didn't cause Connor's death, so it's not exactly an apt comparison.

Secondly, both those things would absolutely be WWE trying to capitalize off of Owen. WWE 2k19 is literally a for profit product, so yes, putting him in the game is making money off of him. As far as the HOF goes, it's largely a promotional tool for adding to the prestige of Wrestlemania, so yes, they would be making money off of him being there too.

No matter how little you think it'd move the needle, using someone's image in a promotional or actual product is, by definition, attempting to profit off of them.

I wasn't comparing the 2 charities just pointing out the visibility that WWE gives it.

Furthermore she could ask that the money that would be due to Owen for things like DVD sales, shirts, video game royalties, etc. go to the charity and she could do even more good. I just don't see how her vendetta is hurting anyone but her own family and cause.

WWE isn't going to sell more copies of the game because of Owen and droves of people aren't going to subscribe to the network just because of an Owen tribute special or a collection of matches but there sure could be commercials and graphics promoting her foundation.

[thetower52]

I don’t like the fact that Martha’s pain seems to be put over Bret’s.
Bret lost someone he knew his whole life and seems to be his best friend.

[lildude8218]

"Surveillance Video shows Martha Hart walking through the WWE Tape Library with a very strong magnet"

[The Thread Barbi]

Jul 13, 2018 12:25:33 GMT -5 thetower52 said:

I don’t like the fact that Martha’s pain seems to be put over Bret’s.
Bret lost someone he knew his whole life and seems to be his best friend.

Bret raised him. In Hart house, an older sibling was assigned a younger one to raise as mom and pop Hart were too busy.

Dean raised Bret, Bret raised Owen. It's a damn shame she kept Owen's kids from the uncle that raised their dad.

Bret and Owen's whole life is wrestling. They were born into it. Martha was not.

She was his high school sweetheart and he died a week before they moved into their dream home.

They both are right in their perspective.

[joeiscool]

I agree with Bret here. She Obviously has the legal right to do whatever.

But I think from a family perspective she's wrong.

Owen wasn't just her husband, but other people's brother, father,son, and friend. Wrestling was a big part of his life, and if a wwe hall of fame induction is how some people would feel closer I think she as a member of Owen's family should really take into consideration doing it.

[héad.casé]

I feel for both parties here - I feel for Bret who wants his brother's wrestling career to be remembered, and I feel for Martha who lost her husband to that very same wrestling industry. It's tough, but as fans of his we can all remember him our own way by watching him on the Network. I just wish they could make peace and Bret could have a relationship with his niece and nephew - then again maybe he does. They're old enough to decide for themselves if they want Bret in their life or not.

[Red Impact]

Jul 13, 2018 11:24:06 GMT -5 The Trashman said:

I wasn't comparing the 2 charities just pointing out the visibility that WWE gives it.

Furthermore she could ask that the money that would be due to Owen for things like DVD sales, shirts, video game royalties, etc. go to the charity and she could do even more good. I just don't see how her vendetta is hurting anyone but her own family and cause.

WWE isn't going to sell more copies of the game because of Owen and droves of people aren't going to subscribe to the network just because of an Owen tribute special or a collection of matches but there sure could be commercials and graphics promoting her foundation.

It doesn't matter if they sell a million more copies or zero. If you put someone in a for-profit product, like a game or a wrestling HOF designed to promote an event, you are attempting to capitalize off of them. You are using their identity to draw attention to yourself. There's no other possibility, that's just business.

It doesn't matter if it'd bring more visibility to her foundation, she has a right not to accept help from the company that devised the stunt that made her a widow.

Jul 13, 2018 12:25:33 GMT -5 thetower52 said:

I don’t like the fact that Martha’s pain seems to be put over Bret’s.
Bret lost someone he knew his whole life and seems to be his best friend.

Her pain isn't more or less real than his is. But the reality is, you choose your spouse, you don't choose your family. Next of kin reverts first to spouse, not to siblings.

So when the wills of the two are completely diametrically opposed, as it is in this case, the spouse gets deference. There is no way to reconcile their points of view. Bret wants her to let WWE use him to "honor" his memory. She doesn't want the company that directly killed him to benefit in any way, shape, or form from being able to publicize him. There's no real middle ground here, there's no way to compromise.

[Red Impact]

Jul 13, 2018 4:42:24 GMT -5 segaz said:

The problem is that it deprives the other wrestlers who put in work in their matches with Owen also.

She doesn't even want to acknowledge Owens WWE career at all. If she wanted to publish the footage herself, or to only allow non profit dvds that's a different issue.

I think Bret is right, she is limiting Owens legacy. They can't even mention him on tv at all.


If the WWE was planning a self destruction of Owen dvd or a Owen exploitation angle, then that's obvious then.


""Why in the world would anyone argue that WWE should benefit, no matter how tangentially, from that performer after their stupid stunt led directly to his death?""

You could argue that they already do a little by including Owen footage in ppv/raw matches he performed in.


Owen right now is like Benoit practically. Never mentioned, never referred to, banished from all except his barebone appearance in matches.

But eh.....I guess I've given my point across enough, about hate and unforgiveness etc, and you've clearly stated yours, that the wishes of his spouse triumph anything when it comes to Owen. Maybe I'm weak, and not as strong as Martha, who didn't let the WWE walk all over her, and who knows? We might have had comments like "Owens not in heaven" from the WWE, or his ashes in a urn dropped by CM Punk.

They do do it by including the Owen footage, and she was furious that they did it. That's why I think the idea that she should capitulate and let WWE further profit off of him is a tad ridiculous, they already did so without her consent.

As far as the other wrestlers go, they've all had other matches they can benefit from. Her children have never had another father.

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Jul 13, 2018 15:32:05 GMT -5 joeiscool said:

I agree with Bret here. She Obviously has the legal right to do whatever.

But I think from a family perspective she's wrong.

Owen wasn't just her husband, but other people's brother, father,son, and friend. Wrestling was a big part of his life, and if a wwe hall of fame induction is how some people would feel closer I think she as a member of Owen's family should really take into consideration doing it.

I don't think there's a right or wrong between Bret and Martha. The big wrong was WWE putting Owen up there in the first place. Bret and Martha's viewpoints are both valid, it's not a matter of putting one's opinion over the other as much as that when you make a mistake that huge, the chips are gonna fall where they're gonna fall and unfortunately for wrestling fans, Martha's unable to forgive WWE. As the ones with blood on their hands I think the right thing for WWE to do is leave Owen's memory alone if they can't get a family consensus on what to do with it.

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Jul 12, 2018 18:33:49 GMT -5 segaz said:

Jul 12, 2018 16:49:52 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

It's not ours to say what his widow and children should do about his legacy. There is nothing preventing Mark Henry and others from renting an auditorium and invite a bunch of wrestlers to tell Owen Hart stories without WWE using it to sell network subscriptions and Hall of Fame tickets. She has never turned her back in wrestling as much as she has the WWE, and that is her perogative, she owes nothing to that company, and as much as we all use WWE as a conduent for pro wrestling, if your spouse died working for a company, I'd don't think you would be so inclined to let it go so they could make a buck.

Look if it was up to her, Owen would be removed totally from all WWE programming. She's hurting, i understand that, it must be terrible for her.
But I think we do know this is definitely not what Owen himself would have wanted.

I agree 100% on if Martha could do that, she would erase every piece of footage, then sue the pants off of anyone who brings Owen up, much like how the Elvis Presley estate does for any official acknowledgement of his final years.

[wildojinx]

On a side note, didnt know that Martha was a Doctor now.

[Allie Kitsune]

I don't really feel comfortable taking sides on peoples' family issues.

I understand why Bret feels how he does, and I understand why Martha feels like she does.

But regardless of how one might feel about it, Martha is obviously in the driver's seat on this one. And if she doesn't want to work things out with Bret or WWE, it's just not going to happen.

[fortknox]

Martha Hart issues statement in response to Bret Hart

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[Allie Kitsune]

Jul 14, 2018 19:07:32 GMT -5 fortknox said:

Martha Hart issues statement in response to Bret Hart

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I think at this point, Martha and Bret are just talking past each other.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Jul 14, 2018 19:51:21 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Jul 14, 2018 19:07:32 GMT -5 fortknox said:

Martha Hart issues statement in response to Bret Hart

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I think at this point, Martha and Bret are just talking past each other.

Pretty much. Neither party is gonna convince the other, and nothing about the situation will change. WWE will get away with flouting Martha's wishes to the utmost of their ability, and Martha will check them when they step over the line.

[mattperiolat]

Jul 13, 2018 8:24:57 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 11, 2018 21:50:30 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

You ain't kidding.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVAdrpQgw94

Wow

I doubt he ever will due to his family but if this guy ever wanted to try and be a wrestler, I think he'd have a good chance...

Mark Henry seemed to hint during his Hall speech that Oje should be here ‘with his brothers’. I remember turning to a friend and being like “Does Oje want to wrestle?” It was really the first time I’d heard anything about Owen’s family aside from Martha’s lawsuits.

Martha has a right to not want WWE to make money off Owen. Case closed. But this is an... interesting wrinkle.

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I don't know what it says about my character whenever there's a discussion about Martha & I instinctively choose the side opposing her.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Jul 14, 2018 23:02:59 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I don't know what it says about my character whenever there's a discussion about Martha & I instinctively choose the side opposing her.

She's absolutely right in what she's doing, she's just being as blunt and combative about it as possible. As wrestling fans we want to at least have some hope of seeing Owen honoured in a way that is appealing to the masses, but we know that it'll never happen as long as Martha lives, and we don't even know of her kids feel the same as she does. So yeah, I can understand why someone on the outside would automatically oppose Martha.