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Post by The Heenan Family on Aug 31, 2018 3:31:01 GMT -5
I am a bit curious as to why Martha, Oje, and Athena could not attend the ceremony though. The answer may end up being that they were at some charity thing or were on another continent, but it just seems odd that all three were too busy that weekend. Martha didn't go far out of her way to take a picture with something that arrived in the mail. Was a statement read on their behalf at the ceremony?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 7:23:34 GMT -5
I am a bit curious as to why Martha, Oje, and Athena could not attend the ceremony though. The answer may end up being that they were at some charity thing or were on another continent, but it just seems odd that all three were too busy that weekend. Martha didn't go far out of her way to take a picture with something that arrived in the mail. Was a statement read on their behalf at the ceremony? Oje and Athena have spent the majority of their lives without their father who died in a wrestling accident, raised by a mom who hates the people/company who took her husband and their dad away. I don't blame those kids (now young adults) one damn bit for wanting nothing to do with wrestling, whether their regard for it is hateful or just them not paying attention to it. A dumb wrestling stunt on some wrestling show took their dad away. As for why Martha didn't go..........you don't think people at that show would be piling questions on her she doesn't want to answer or even engage? Avoidance may not be the best coping mechanism, but it's damn powerful. |
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 31, 2018 9:15:03 GMT -5
How is Bret not allowed to honor his brother? WWE isn't, but that doesn't stop Bret. And discounting Martha's relationship with Owen is no more right than it would be Bret's. How is he going to do it? What he wants to honor is Owne's time in WWE and wants to be able to share it with WWE fans. That is pretty much impossible for him to do.
Nobody is discounting Martha' relationship with Owen. But a lot of people are discounting Bret's by telling him to give it up, telling him to shut up etc.
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 31, 2018 9:17:32 GMT -5
Bret knew Owen is entire life and knew Owen far longer than Martha did. Bret has every right to be upset that he is not allowed to honor his brother. Bret can say and do whatever he wants. WWE can't, they can only use footage that currently exists. That's the big difference. Also, you choose your spouse, you don't choose your siblings. So what? Owen is still Bret's brother and he still has the right to be upset that he is not allowed to honor his brother's WWE accomplishments. |
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 31, 2018 9:23:00 GMT -5
I dare you to go up to any WWE HOF'r and tell them it means nothing.
I am beyond tired of this kind of reasoning.
Plenty of HOFers have auctioned off their rings and said that it means nothing. Wrestlers who see titles as “accomplishments” are seen as marks in the business. Define "plenty"? ANd show me one quote where a HOF'r said it means nothing? Because I can assure you there are plenty who still have their rings and think it means everything.
Also, this is recognition for their contributions to the business. This has nothing to with titles. Anyone who calls a HOF'r a mark for themselves really aren't fans.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Aug 31, 2018 10:34:02 GMT -5
I am a bit curious as to why Martha, Oje, and Athena could not attend the ceremony though. The answer may end up being that they were at some charity thing or were on another continent, but it just seems odd that all three were too busy that weekend. Martha didn't go far out of her way to take a picture with something that arrived in the mail. Was a statement read on their behalf at the ceremony? Oje and Athena have spent the majority of their lives without their father who died in a wrestling accident, raised by a mom who hates the people/company who took her husband and their dad away. I don't blame those kids (now young adults) one damn bit for wanting nothing to do with wrestling, whether their regard for it is hateful or just them not paying attention to it. A dumb wrestling stunt on some wrestling show took their dad away. As for why Martha didn't go..........you don't think people at that show would be piling questions on her she doesn't want to answer or even engage? Avoidance may not be the best coping mechanism, but it's damn powerful. I don't know about Athena, but Oje doesn't appear to be hiding from wrestling. He may not watch it, but his instagram page has images of his father, Neidhart, and the Rock on it. Images which of course come with comments from people about wrestling and the WWE Hall of Fame. He also seems to have a good relationship with Natalya, who is his cousin, but also a pro-wrestler working for WWE. In regards to Martha, weeks before this particular Hall of Fame ceremony, she replied to Bret's WWE Hall of Fame comments. In doing so she said his comments were rooted in her refusing to work with WWE but she encourages people to enjoy and watch Owen's wrestling career. Yet when a wrestling Hall of Fame that isn't related to WWE honored her husband, she didn't show up. It runs contrary to her earlier stance which appeared to indicate she is more willing to honor his career when WWE isn't involved. Which makes me wonder if a statement was read at the ceremony on her behalf. Now if the problem is that she couldn't go because Bruce Hart and Diana Hart were going to be in attendance, that's obviously a shame. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 31, 2018 12:10:38 GMT -5
How is Bret not allowed to honor his brother? WWE isn't, but that doesn't stop Bret. And discounting Martha's relationship with Owen is no more right than it would be Bret's. How is he going to do it? What he wants to honor is Owne's time in WWE and wants to be able to share it with WWE fans. That is pretty much impossible for him to do.
Nobody is discounting Martha' relationship with Owen. But a lot of people are discounting Bret's by telling him to give it up, telling him to shut up etc.
He can do that with literally ANY other organization. And yes, YOU discounted her relationship with him in comparison to Bret in the post just above mine when you talked about Bret knowing him longer etc. You might not have meant to, but the implication was Bret's relationship to Owen was more important than Martha's. I'm just sayin it's not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 12:14:26 GMT -5
Plenty of HOFers have auctioned off their rings and said that it means nothing. Wrestlers who see titles as “accomplishments” are seen as marks in the business. Define "plenty"? ANd show me one quote where a HOF'r said it means nothing? Because I can assure you there are plenty who still have their rings and think it means everything.
Also, this is recognition for their contributions to the business. This has nothing to with titles. Anyone who calls a HOF'r a mark for themselves really aren't fans.
Calm down. You're coming off way too aggressive here. |
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 31, 2018 13:00:42 GMT -5
How is he going to do it? What he wants to honor is Owne's time in WWE and wants to be able to share it with WWE fans. That is pretty much impossible for him to do.
Nobody is discounting Martha' relationship with Owen. But a lot of people are discounting Bret's by telling him to give it up, telling him to shut up etc.
He can do that with literally ANY other organization. And yes, YOU discounted her relationship with him in comparison to Bret in the post just above mine when you talked about Bret knowing him longer etc. You might not have meant to, but the implication was Bret's relationship to Owen was more important than Martha's. I'm just sayin it's not. But that isn't what he wants to do. He wants to honor Owen for his time in WWE with WWE fans. You can't do that with any other organization.
I am saying both relationships are equal and that Bret has as much right as she does.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Aug 31, 2018 13:03:17 GMT -5
He can do that with literally ANY other organization. And yes, YOU discounted her relationship with him in comparison to Bret in the post just above mine when you talked about Bret knowing him longer etc. You might not have meant to, but the implication was Bret's relationship to Owen was more important than Martha's. I'm just sayin it's not. But that isn't what he wants to do. He wants to honor Owen for his time in WWE with WWE fans. You can't do that with any other organization.
I am saying both relationships are equal and that Bret has as much right as she does.
He doesn't, though. Legally, it's Martha's choice, and she can consider Bret's viewpoint as she chooses, but Bret's got no right here. She's shown she's willing to acknowledge his wrestling career, as long as Vince won't make a nickel off of it. That's her right. Beyond that....yeah, Bret should shut it. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 31, 2018 13:09:57 GMT -5
"Surveillance Video shows Martha Hart walking through the WWE Tape Library with a very strong magnet" (and a Lucasfilm-style computer with tons of Stevie Richards footage) |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 31, 2018 13:10:56 GMT -5
Bret be all "I've seen people behave selfishly and in my whole life, Martha is somewhere in the top ten, maybe between the 3rd and 5th most selfish acts". So does he believe someone should kick her leg out of her leg? |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 31, 2018 13:11:41 GMT -5
Martha Hart's response to BretI'm not entirely sure he's on Vince's "next-in-line" list for inductions, either. DK's induction would bring on questions from the rogues' gallery about Benoit. After all, Benoit was Billington's direct protege(e) and much was made of it in the aftermath of the murder-suicide. Billington's own domestic issues are well-known as well. Strangely enough, after DK's stroke in 2013, Vince had Michael Cole send Billington well wishes on RAW. Of course then in 2015, DK joined that small concussion lawsuit that preceded the big one in 2016. Hence why no Demolition either. I think that list is a joke and the lawsuit has big holes in it, but that's besides the point for now. |
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 1, 2018 8:28:08 GMT -5
You know, what it really comes down to is three parties who want three different things.
Bret wants his brother recognized and respected as he remembers him, the prankster, the younger brother, the spark of light he saw in the world and the inate talent in the ring.
The fans who remember Owen want that now almost larger than life legend that was taken from us too soon. We want all want the matches, the memories, the stories to pass on to generations yet to come who we hope will learn to love him as we have loved him in the years since he left us.
Martha just wants her husband, the father of her children and the love of her life. She has a right to be angry at a company who made a stupid decision that took him away from her. Every day, she has to just to carry on without him, raise his children and be true to herself.
Between the three views, I have no clue of common ground. And since there may be none, we have to accept things as they are, respect all three views and carry on, remembering in our own way and hope it’s enough.
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 1, 2018 14:12:07 GMT -5
On a side note, I never knew Martha was a doctor.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 2, 2018 21:53:06 GMT -5
You know, what it really comes down to is three parties who want three different things. Bret wants his brother recognized and respected as he remembers him, the prankster, the younger brother, the spark of light he saw in the world and the inate talent in the ring. The fans who remember Owen want that now almost larger than life legend that was taken from us too soon. We want all want the matches, the memories, the stories to pass on to generations yet to come who we hope will learn to love him as we have loved him in the years since he left us. Martha just wants her husband, the father of her children and the love of her life. She has a right to be angry at a company who made a stupid decision that took him away from her. Every day, she has to just to carry on without him, raise his children and be true to herself. Between the three views, I have no clue of common ground. And since there may be none, we have to accept things as they are, respect all three views and carry on, remembering in our own way and hope it’s enough. Great post. |
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